New Cursed Gear Discussion

Sadly they still screwed SMN on their set though.

IDK, guess it's probably true for WAR, but for BRD, comparing to my current (previous) TP set:

Body (Ashera Harness): meva+4
Hands (Bunzi's Gloves): meva-39
Legs (Volte Tights): meva+3
Feet (Nyame Sollerets): meva-40

So I guess hands/feet are "a big drop", but the other 2 slots aren't a sacrifice at all, for BRD. Compared to Malignance/Sakpata for WAR or NIN, sure.

At the end of thr day though, you have to balance meva and DPS stats and (IMO), it's not the best idea to select the highest meva slot for all 5 slots at the cost of anything/everything else.

I personally take the approach of "good enough" meva, kinda like a hybrid set. You don't turtle in 5/5 Nyame or Empyrean armor just because it's the safest and you don't want to get slept. OTOH, you don't wear 5/5 Herculean QA pieces with 25 meva each, because you'll never resist any TP move or spell ever.

Final note then: I think the Revelation set EASILY clears the bar for "good enough" meva, and would be suitable for any current endgame content. Sure, if you REALLY want to you can swap out a piece or two for a bit more meva, but I don't think the sacrifices would be worth it or the benefits would be significant.

It kinda depends what you used. More or less like you said.
If you used the old TP set model with Volte Hands, Legs and Feet, then Simon's post is not on point because Revelation, despite its lower avg meva, is still way way better than all three.
But these days who still used those 3 pieces?
I mean legs for sure, because of 9% haste and lack of better options, but I bet most people used different hands (Bunzi?) and feet (Nyame B R25 or 30?)
In which case, his point for Meva stands, but you get better stats in pretty much everything else DPS-related.

Then there's body. Most people probably use Ashera Harness, and the others use uhm, maybe the old Ayanmo+2? Which still provides decent acc, some DT and some DA.
For both of those options Revelation is, again, much better so while Revelation has low Meva etc, it's still better than previous options if you used any of those I mentioned.

If you ask me on BRD TP I'd use Bunzi R25+ for head, then 4/5 Revelation for the rest, with a case for Bunzi Hands which actually might be a better overall option because of the defensive stats despite lower dps stats.

I haven't mathed it out or used the sim btw, just saying what I feel like on a hunch.


Personally I'm really really really interested at least in Revelation Body/Legs/Feet.
It's more a matter of putting other Limbus pieces with higher priority (like Sworn for instance, arguably even Duty and some Clemency tbf).

I don't play WAR but if I did I don't think I would be particularly interested in Revelation.
And for NIN it's uhm... I dunno. Revelation can be nice of course but then again it doesn't really feel like OMG either. Maybe mix&match some pieces.
I dunno how do you guys feel for NIN?

Revelation is great for brd, easily a 3/5 set for brd.

For jobs with access to sakpata, less so, but it's a more dps focused set than sakpata while still having high -DT and meva.

One thing is for sure though. People will use whatever the sim tells them is "bis" for getting tp fastest which is neither ody nor limbus gear.

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For me personally Malignance level of meva is gold standard for hybrid tp set. Normal TP set would be slightly lower, but full Revelation is like 192 meva lower.
That's why I said I wouldn't use 5/5 of this set at once, but you can easily take few pieces and mix it with for example bunzi.
If you wear like 3 pieces (body legs feet) and also use Null Shawl, you will only be 70 meva below Malignance. This is preferred anyway, because Bunzi head is bis anyway and hands are almost break even (8%DA vs 6%da and 4stp).

Btw I went to Limbus Apollyon and tested meva.

Against 135lv Cyhiraeth every amount of meva was almost useless. They landed almost everything on me. They have possibly super high macc, because they can only cast and melee.

Now with 799 meva I fully resisted everything that Ahrimans were throwing at me. Including sleepga, sleep, blind, elemental debuffs, bind, blind.

only on ffxi would you have this bizarre rationalization that in fact DPS jobs should do less DPS to make the lives of support roles easier

I assure you, the rationalization is only so DD's can stay DDing and not be enfeebled. It's entirely selfish and no one cares about making support jobs lives easier. Ok, some people might care but it's a pretty big 90/10 or 85/15.

with the abundance of supportive roles and meds in the game with relatively low cooldowns and not a lot restrictions it likely is not the optimal way to play by any measurable metric.

stacking 5/5 malig is probably the laziest way to play though i'll give you that, and with 5 trusts as your companions, lazy is probably the best choice

I mean, it depends a lot on the context because this game isn't a spreadsheet.

If you're using a Remedy, you have to stop attacking to use it. It can also be paralyzed. You can't use a Poison Potion while you're asleep. You can't remove stun from yourself.

Also: meva isn't only to remove debuffs. If you bring 6 people with ***meva into a V25 Ngai fight, you will very quickly realize this.

As usual, I agree pretty strongly with MT. Ignoring m.eva and using things like escha gear or tatenashi for MAXIMUM DEEPS has always seemed silly to me. The new gear, especially the +2 versions, doesn't really fall under that category. For everyday use, running around clearing random content like silver voucher fights, omen, dynamis, HTBC, or whatever.. it's more than enough magic evasion. It's new, pretty, and a considerable DPS boost once augmented.

If you're talking about specific high-end content, the type of people who will optimize for that content don't really need to be told they can do so. Preventing debuffs is useful, sure, but there's a pretty stark line between content where you can resist nearly all of them and content where you can barely resist at all. There are times where you'll want a little more m.eva than the new gear, but you also aren't locked into 5/5 either. Most people will be working on their first augmented piece for a while, so the initial question is whether to use the best piece or not.. seems pretty clear that you should in most if not all cases.

I have some concern about the lower DT on NQ and +1, but that will depend on the job and your other slots as well as the content. Fortunately, they're both quite cheap and the upgrade-after-augment path makes it a relatively small concern.

Revelation is very good for ninja. I’d priorize head, hands, feet because I like mpaca’s body and Hattori legs. The drop in meva can be gained by using the null shawl and murky ring, which would give you more DT and evasion. It also will give you a high amount of crit, with innin you can reach 35-65 crit rate. I won’t give all the stats on revelation gear.. the current gear ninja uses either has extremely low RA attack, low attack and mpaca has 0 RA acc which is needed for daken. You can also use popotoes con queso/seafood gratin for 60meva for 60/65 meva+

There's nothing unusual about looking for hybrid gear that has high magic evasion attatched to it. I ran two Apollyon runs yesterday on my thief and that's the zone where everything and anything you fight has some kind of enfeebles, and I outright resisted a bunch of stuff. Our red mage had to re haste several people when the spiders started using spider web, but I wasn't affected by it. Three or four spider web aoe's in a row and I still had my original haste. It's not wrong at all to look for good hybrid gear to tp in. It both saves support jobs work removing enfeebles and rebuffing, and keeps your dps output high by not being interrupted.

The full Duty set is only 71 magic evasion lower than the full malignance set by the way, and it has higher magic evasion than the pieces I was using in Apollyon, so that's another big nod in its favor. Artifact and relic +4 versions got some serious magic eva. boosts over their +3 counterparts, but duty is even higher still. It's the perfect tp set once augmented.

You cant really generalize here.
Sworn is 43 meva above Malignance and Revelation is 192 meva below.

5/5 Revelation is definitely below the threshold that will let you resist anything in for example Limbus farm, while Sworn is at meva level that will let you resist a lot. 5/5 Revelation will probably fail at resisting even "older" content like mentioned Omen, dynamis and htbc.

I think it's ultimately should be closely examined case by case, piece by piece for each job, because if you get +10%dps for 50meva, then sure, it's worth it in many cases. If it's +1-2% dps, then.. not really, at least for me.

I think you can still generalize the category. 43 m.eva across 5 pieces is considerable if you're not at floor or ceiling, but there isn't a whole lot of content (if any) where those actual values are the meaningful difference. It's the same trap as onion sword III: looking at the generalized mechanics of the game rather than what situations actually exist.

I wouldn't drop all of malignance for revelation on NIN, but BRD's TP options are a whole lot more questionable unless you did Nyame A. Even on NIN, a 'default' catchall set should probably include 2-3 pieces of Revelation. It'll be 6 months before even the luckiest people have to decide if they're ok with using 5/5.

In practical terms, people are looking at information overload. They want to know if the gear is worth getting. Almost every piece is worth getting if you plan to augment it, which means the important question isn't whether you'd use 5/5 but which single pieces give the most value.

Nobody's getting a set of 5/5 full augments in 6 months. You need 31 alabaster and 31 murky matters, 155 racial crystals, and almost 630,000 units per piece to hit rank 30.

That said, the unit cost to go from rank 25 to 30 is almost the same as going from 1 to 25, and I've heard that the main augments people care most about are all there at rank 25, so it's probably more efficient to just get the set to rank 25 and then either switch to a new set or meander through the last 5 ranks on your pieces slowly after everything you care about is already 25. But even then, at an average of 2 to 3 matters per week of each type you're still looking at closer to a year for a full set of rank 25 armor.

Way to miss the mark.


How do you interpret the luckiest person possible needing over 6 months to 'the average is around 6 months'..? Did you just want to show off that you can do elementary level math?

No need to be rude thorny. You'd literally have to get 5 matters in each zone every week to get 5 pieces to rank 25 in 6 months. Luck has its limits. Nobody is THAT lucky, even if you throw in a few NM kills along with the weeklies.

You're the one being rude. I made a comment that could be distilled to "you don't need to decide about 5/5 for a while because nobody will have 5/5 for a while". You decided to nitpick it, incorrectly.

There are people who already have some matters. SE has put matter in login points, and may do so again. There are bonus boxes now. It is perfectly feasible that 6 months from today, a couple of folks will have 5/5 sets (driven by luck). No, an average person cannot decide to grind hard and get it in that time period.

It doesn't change my point at all, though. You saw something that you thought was incorrect and went off topic to try to correct me, despite failing to actually read what was said.

This is kinda hard to tell atm, because some people think augments on hands and feet suppose to be on legs and head. We need at least one R30 for whatever of those slots for any sets and that should be enough info to assume every set follow the same rule.


Like I wrote in my previous post with example of 135lv Ahrimans in Limbus. With 799 meva (no dark resist), I was able to fully resist everything from them and on my bard which had 706 meva and +15 dark resist, she resisted almost all sleepga too. Now my WAR with 674 meva only resisted one out of several sleepgas and my COR with 682 meva was slept every time.

Pointing out the obvious - difference between your resisted and not resisted sets is 117 meva. That's not a huge difference.

I heard people saying that much meva won't make a difference for things like limbus trash mobs. Yet..

Even less if you consider BRD was also resisting every sleepga, but she had 15 dark resist from belt on top of 706 meva.

I really wish they kept the trend of having the jobs on the cursed gear item

Playing this matching game with 3 versions per set is really annoying

Is it possible to dat mod
Item description boxes

Has this ever been explored for something other than a joke?

is there literally ANY real use for having the BLM/SCH/SMN set? Maybe one piece of it is BiS for SMN but without any Magic Burst on any of it, does it have any use on BLM or SCH?

This is why I mentioned the Magic Evasion thing early in this thread, because there's always a point where it helps a DD more than it hinders. There is a fine line, and that is something I am sure many players are going to seek out so they can get the best of both worlds in most situations.

- I think a big question that hasn't been answered so far is if the NQs are worth getting? Or is it best to save materials for the HQ+2s?

Also, something I was told today is you can get NQs, augment them, and then upgrade later to HQ+1 or +2 and keep the augments. How does that work? And is it worth doing?

Edit: Not long after I made this, I found a video explaining how it works. Credit to Heghmoh for doing this.

This is not a thing
you can turn in the NQ piece and the +1/2 piece and have your rank transfer over

Yeah, I think they learned their lesson with the JSE necks.
If you find a good deal on a normal quality, id say go for it if you can spare the gil.

I mean, you are actually spending an extra jewel uncursing the NQ/+1 piece, so you are saving those materials. Maybe you also spend another gem transferring the augments as well? IDK, I'm not a poor.