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By Carbuncle.Maletaru 2025-12-16 06:49:09
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sorge74 said: »
SimonSes said: »
While it's kinda shitty to wait a month, keep in mind that it's the only month you need to wait, assuming we keep kill killing Omega and Ultima in the future.

Limbus continues to be extremely convoluted and I don't get it.

It's really not at all convoluted, it's just people (including SE, to be fair) have tried to explain the system in the most convoluted way possible.

Here's a simple explanation. You know Conquest tallies, right?

Did you kill lots of monsters in Kolshushu last week? -> You can have control of Kolshushu this week.

OK, this is how Limbus worked originally.

Did you kill lots of NMs last week? -> You can get Murky/Alabaster matter this week.

Then, people complained that 1 week for 22 NMs was ridiculous, so they changed the evaluation a TINY BIT.

Did you kill lots of NMs (in the last 4 weeks)? -> You can get Murky/Alabaster matter (for the next 4 weeks)

This is the exact same way Ultima/Omega work.

Did you kill W1/2/3 in the last 4 weeks? -> You can get crafting mats/shards/parts for the next 4 weeks.



OK, let's apply this to the current (4 weeks).

Did you kill W1/2/3 in the last 4 weeks? No, because the NMs didn't exist in the last 4 weeks. -> You can't get crafting mats/shards/parts for the next 4 weeks.

That's it. There are no other systems. Kill monsters, get data, open boxes.
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By Weeew 2025-12-16 08:58:41
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Asura.Sechs said: »
"Assuming".
Yes, and likewise with the regular NMs.
And how long do you think that's gonna last?
For a little while it won't be a problem given the "new" feeling, the interest in gear, mats, stuff, I'm sure it's gonna be downhill for several months.

But after that? For a fight that requires so much effort and so much annoyace? Once it's no longer "new" and you already had your chance at enjoying it the first few times?
With no direct reward at all?

I'm not sure it's gonna last, and I said the same for the 22 NMs in each zone.
But, BUT! That's not gonna be an issue any time soon, at least on Asura, and I guess SE can always change their mind and add "something" to these parts of the content to incentivize it, why not?
Don't "need" incentives now, as sad as it sounds.

Materials can be sold. Demand will be high. Prices will be high. People will still farm. Need I say more.
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By LightningHelix 2025-12-16 09:39:44
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Did anyone dust off their -Breath Taken gear specifically to test whether that worked in CN?

I assume not. And I don't have any or I'd do it myself next month. But I'm wondering - like how Banish works on the Limbus DT on the Undead and I assume it's not supposed to, maybe this does too?
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By Bismarck.Nickeny 2025-12-16 12:21:34
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Glad ffxi had a good run. Ill stay till the servers close. Shouldn't be long now with these stale updates
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By Fenrir.Brimstonefox 2025-12-16 12:47:30
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Asura.Sechs said: »
They should do something for who contributes in killing.
It's not an easy thing to solve though, there are some problems to take into consideration:

1) What do you give as reward? If it's useless, it makes no difference. If it's too good, it makes people who cannot take part in it rightfully annoyed. (and not taking part is a good chance for something that happens once per month, like Ultima/Omega)

2) How do you handle people who participated in the fight, but weren't there on the kill?

Its a very easy problem to solve:
option 1: people on the hate list when it dies get bonus exemplar and/or limbus units.
option 2: do reive like evaluations (exemplar/units awarded every 5-10 min. based on damage done/receieve/cured/buffs given)

(or both)
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By Genoxd 2025-12-16 13:13:05
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Literally do anything at all. They need any reward at all for individual contribution. I don't care if it's a 0.1% chance at an upgrade item or 10k points for limbus or anything at all.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2025-12-16 13:32:41
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You say that, and then you'd be complaining that it wasn't enough

Don't be disingenuous. Just say you want 1m exemplar for casting dia and afking.
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By Carbuncle.Nynja 2025-12-16 13:38:25
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Thats coming from king complainer lmao
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By Asura.Sechs 2025-12-16 14:08:07
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Asura.Eiryl said: »
You say that, and then you'd be complaining that it wasn't enough
Maybe? But it would still be way better than the "absolute nothing" people are getting right now, which I still have a hard time to believe they thought it would've been fine.


@Brimxtonefox
Yeah that's a nice idea.
Not sure it would work but sounds solid to me.
They need to do something about the way these NMs work though.
I'm super fine with them not being stuff you afk on or that dies too fast like DI, I'm super fine with them lasting hours etc (actually that could be good so more people can participate, given they are rare and limited per month) but making them ignore DT, defense adn everything else is way too much, imho.
If anything raise their health, give them immunity phases, more DT, whatever, but their offensive capabilities should definitely be toned down A BIT, or to say the least solve the issues Martel outlined months ago already.
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By Carbuncle.Nynja 2025-12-16 14:13:41
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Reward on completion for a community fight that takes literal hours is a bad idea. Not everyone whos present at 100/100/100 will be present when it hits 0/0/0.

Now if its per NM, thats another story.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2025-12-16 14:22:37
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You get access to new items new gear and new augs to drool over

That's far from nothing

Don't participate. let your server not unlock the new gear, and then say you still want more.

You wanted new content. You got it.
You wanted alliance content. You got it.
You wanted the content to give "good" master level. You got it. (not alliance)
You wanted new sellables. You got it.
You wanted new gear. You got it.
You wanted new craftables. You got it.
You wanted something "challenging". You got it.

What the *** more do you need. Always bitching.
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By fractalvoid 2025-12-16 14:52:57
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"ugh i hate 6man content and daily lockouts this ***sux!!111"

and now it's

"SERVER WIDE content with no lockout ... what the ***?!?!?!"

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we just got a massive update with a ton of new equipment and synthesis recipes and people are STILL mad. it's kinda funny tbh
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By Dodik 2025-12-16 15:04:48
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Bismarck.Nickeny said: »
Shouldn't be long now

Been hearing this since.. wotg came out.

Also isn't the chest upgrade server wide once ultima/omega are killed? They're monthly NMs, most players won't be present for killing them.
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By Taint 2025-12-16 15:09:25
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Yeah you can tell SE is trying hard.

The only thing I would change at this point is making the CN zones have a random spawn time after the objectives are done. I'd like to try the fights but rarely around near JP midnight and since NMs will be the last thing to unlock each term the bigger fights will also always be popped right after JP midnight.
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By Asura.Shiraj 2025-12-16 23:17:06
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Little update since a few more test dummies (ty Shiva and Ragnarok) fought Ultima.

First set of fetters seem to be 89% - 90%

Full dispels used at 70% / 35% / 10% | Asylum can block the full dispel.

Nuclear Waste is used 65 seconds after Citadel Buster for the subsequent use of fetters past the 89% one and will spawn 6 fetters to 6 people approximately 30" range. (Speculated it targets top 6 on Enmity list, needs verification)
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By Fenrir.Velner 2025-12-17 03:09:29
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December 2025 goes down as the most massive update to XI since Odyssey Sheol Gaol T3. Absolute win for XI. These new fights have felt like a completely new experience. More of this please!
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By Garfield 2025-12-17 03:13:19
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Asura.Shiraj said: »
(Speculated it targets top 6 on Enmity list, needs verification)

Idk how this fits in, but on Bahamut we have our resident streamer who recorded being a pld/run. He was tanking, died, raised, during weakness did 1 flash, 1 foil and a couple phalanxs. And then died again, got tractored and shortly there after had a fetter spawned on his dead body.

https://www.youtube.com/live/tnScpSPPGb0?si=BIzMwEgY5wtqWtv4&t=15050

At that time he was speculating maybe its the lowest on the enmity list.

Also at this timestamp there is a ton of people visible and you only see 5 fetters spawn, I was 2boxing a smn and rdm, I had my rdm alt cast refresh3 on my smn and then go hide in a corner in the door to the right from the stream... that is where the 6th (fire) fetter spawned.

When I casted refresh there was only myself and mischief fighting after a full server wipe well before everyone else showed up.

https://www.youtube.com/live/tnScpSPPGb0?si=47GLrJMDXU1MnJcA&t=11734
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By Tarage 2025-12-17 22:42:19
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So has any server actually crafted any of the new items?
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By Carbuncle.Maletaru 2025-12-18 00:03:46
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Tarage said: »
So has any server actually crafted any of the new items?

Can't buy any of the mats because people are asking ridiculous prices for them on Carbuncle :(

I'm sure if anyone wants to invest some $$$ they could attempt on the big servers.
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By Shiva.Thorny 2025-12-18 06:07:17
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Seems kinda silly to pay gobbiebox prices if it's going to be coming from the limbus chests. There's more or less a guaranteed substantial price drop once the 4 week interval ticks over. Imagine these are going to end up cheaper than Wyrm Ash, since the content has other value and the limits should be similar.

If someone really wanted to be first they could do it, though. The shards are AHable too.
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By Felgarr 2025-12-18 06:46:10
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Asura.Eiryl said: »
What the *** more do you need. Always bitching.

When Eiryl is the voice of reason, you really need to look in the mirror.
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By Felgarr 2025-12-18 06:51:06
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Garfield said: »
At that time he was speculating maybe its the lowest on the enmity list.

Lowest on the enmity list sounds very plausible. I had fetters placed on me after a single /ra action. (I was WAR and this was my only interaction with Ultima Forerunner in maybe 10-15 minutes, due to repeated deaths/weakness)
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By Carbuncle.Maletaru 2025-12-18 08:00:31
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Felgarr said: »
Lowest on the enmity list sounds very plausible.

If true, it would be pretty easy to cheese. Have people do low enmity actions then stand in a pile, out of the way. Something to try anyway.

Felgarr said: »
When Eiryl is the voice of reason, you really need to look in the mirror.

Something something broken clock, something something 15000 posts.
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By Carbuncle.Nynja 2025-12-18 09:05:14
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I dont think theres any point to crafting the new armor yet. Theres dialog in the dats from the Operator with instructions about uncursing and upgrading that is not available in game at this time. It might require the coffer upgrade to unlock that dialog.
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By LightningHelix 2025-12-18 09:14:39
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Carbuncle.Nynja said: »
I dont think theres any point to crafting the new armor yet. Theres dialog in the dats from the Operator with instructions about uncursing and upgrading that is not available in game at this time. It might require the coffer upgrade to unlock that dialog.
do we know it's not available...

...or did us cowards just not craft the armor yet?!
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By Carbuncle.Nynja 2025-12-18 09:31:37
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Its possible theres a secondary unlock if someone trades an armor piece to the Operator, but I just talked to the NPC and couldnt find similar dialog:
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Dialog Table Entry	07318	Creating ≺Possible Special Code: 01≻≺Possible Special Code: 01≻≺Possible Special Code: 01≻ ≺Possible Special Code: 01≻≺Possible Special Code: 05≻$≺BAD CHAR: 8280≻≺BAD CHAR: 80≻≺BAD CHAR: 80≻ based on registrant information.≺Prompt≻

Dialog Table Entry	07319	Multiple ≺Possible Special Code: 01≻≺Possible Special Code: 05≻%≺BAD CHAR: 8280≻≺BAD CHAR: 80≻≺BAD CHAR: 80≻ may by created from ≺Possible Special Code: 01≻≺Possible Special Code: 05≻%a≺BAD CHAR: 80≻≺BAD CHAR: 80≻ and ≺Possible Special Code: 01≻≺Possible Special Code: 05≻%b≺BAD CHAR: 80≻≺BAD CHAR: 80≻.≺Prompt≻

Dialog Table Entry	07320	Created items can be used to unlock and reforge new equipment.≺Prompt≻

Dialog Table Entry	07321	Up to ≺Numeric Parameter 3≻ ≺Possible Special Code: 01≻≺Possible Special Code: 05≻%≺BAD CHAR: 8280≻≺BAD CHAR: 80≻≺BAD CHAR: 80≻ can be changed into other types.≺Prompt≻

Dialog Table Entry	07322	Reforged equipment attributes can be carried over to higher-tier equipmen of the same series and equipment slot.≺Prompt≻

Dialog Table Entry	07323	However, the original equipment will be consumed in the process.≺Prompt≻
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By Taint 2025-12-18 09:47:42
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Are we under the assumption the Abjurations, craft materials and current Alabaster/Murky items will all come from the chest?
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By Shiva.Thorny 2025-12-18 09:55:41
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The update notes said it outright:
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Use the shards, Alabaster Matter, and Murky Matter that can be obtained from the treasure chests and trade them to the Temenos Furnace or Apollyon Furnace.
* Players that have yet to open a treasure chest within Temenos / Apollyon are unable to craft purification items.

There are five types of shards in total, and you can obtain those specific to your character's race from the treasure chest by defeating one or more groups.

There won't be piece-specific abjurations, it looks like they are set specific. So, most likely you'll be trading matching shard(s) and matters to the furnace alongside your 'cursed' piece. The shards are easy enough to line up. Since some of the pieces are crafted with alabaster parts and some are crafted with murky parts, seems likely you'll need the matching matter. Most likely the trade will be either:
1 Alabaster/Murky Matter
1 Race Shard
1 Cursed item

or they'll vary the amount of matters and/or race shards with slot (3 for body, 2 for legs/head, 1 for feet/hands perhaps).

The shards are actually available now through gobbiebox. So, if the furnace is enabled someone could theoretically buy mats and shards from gobbiebox winners and try to uncurse something. But, there's no guarantee it's actually uncursable until that dialogue Nynja found is available.

Edit: There are the 'Jewel of' ex items as well. I guess you probably trade matter(s) and shard(s) for a jewel, which you can use to uncurse the piece. Same concept, one additional trade in between.
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By Bahamut.Anillo 2025-12-18 09:58:15
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LightningHelix said: »
Carbuncle.Nynja said: »
I dont think theres any point to crafting the new armor yet. Theres dialog in the dats from the Operator with instructions about uncursing and upgrading that is not available in game at this time. It might require the coffer upgrade to unlock that dialog.
do we know it's not available...

...or did us cowards just not craft the armor yet?!

I bought one of the shards from of the AH for testing. The notes sound like you trade the shard + matter to the furnace to create the purification item, but I couldn't get it to work in any combination I tried. I assume you need to open an upgraded chest before you are allowed to do this.
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By Bahamut.Anillo 2025-12-18 10:00:47
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Taint said: »
Are we under the assumption the Abjurations, craft materials and current Alabaster/Murky items will all come from the chest?

I think it lines up very nicely that we have 3 new types of materials and 3 waves of NMs. I assume wave 1 unlocks shards, 2 the crafting mats, and wave 3 the omega/ultima parts.
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