That’s interesting nuggets that got throw out here.
So, 25% chance of getting a 100% chest (5K+drop) no matter what amount of NM killed. Correct?
The other 3 is just in a scale of 5-100 (?!?) depending of NM killed, correct ?
And if that correct, that explain why some people in my group that hit 0/36, correct as well?
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Phoenix.Gavroches said: »
So, 25% chance of getting a 100% chest (5K+drop) no matter what amount of NM killed. Correct?
The wording of the translation I saw was that 100% drop requires both a certain amount of nms killed + the bonus chest for what that's worth.
It might be as simple as the bonus chest doubling the base drop rate if a full nm clear gets you a 50% rate on non bonus chests.
Phoenix.Gavroches said: »
That’s interesting nuggets that got throw out here.
So, 25% chance of getting a 100% chest (5K+drop) no matter what amount of NM killed. Correct?
The other 3 is just in a scale of 5-100 (?!?) depending of NM killed, correct ?
And if that correct, that explain why some people in my group that hit 0/36, correct as well?
So, 25% chance of getting a 100% chest (5K+drop) no matter what amount of NM killed. Correct?
The other 3 is just in a scale of 5-100 (?!?) depending of NM killed, correct ?
And if that correct, that explain why some people in my group that hit 0/36, correct as well?
Its certainly not 100% that a 5k gives a drop all the time but it is much more common I'm on a low pop server which lately has been good about kills in Tenemos but hasn't always been super consistent on that. The numbers were actually a lot more stark until this week when I opened 3 matters on 3k and had 2 5k without matters.
as far back as I have recorded my totals are now:
When opening a 5k chest I got matters 18/24.
When opening a 3k chest I got matters 9/34.
Can someone tldr that? Should we change tower we finish at every full climb and if someone in party will get 5k, should the rest of the party go check other tower instead of opening the chest?
Quetzalcoatl.Jakey said: »
Its certainly not 100% that a 5k gives a drop all the time but it is much more common I'm on a low pop server which lately has been good about kills in Tenemos but hasn't always been super consistent on that. The numbers were actually a lot more stark until this week when I opened 3 matters on 3k and had 2 5k without matters.
as far back as I have recorded my totals are now:
When opening a 5k chest I got matters 18/24.
When opening a 3k chest I got matters 9/34.
as far back as I have recorded my totals are now:
When opening a 5k chest I got matters 18/24.
When opening a 3k chest I got matters 9/34.
Forgive me, I can't post a pic, but at this timestamp https://www.youtube.com/live/EUCbZmgBhj4?si=sxQmd_NhsjFxxkzc&t=4726 you can see the slide they showed in the mogivana live about the "bonus" chests that give the 5k points, the 2nd bullet point says "killing all NMs will increase matter(マター) to 100% in these chests."
You say your server hasn't been super consistent and only recently gotten better, but we've been on a monthly rotation since Oct update, so our NM drop rate hasn't changed since that time. So there's a chance your server hasn't had a full NM clear on the times you got a 5k chest without a matter?
SimonSes said: »
Can someone tldr that?
tldr the 5k bonus will not move until it is gotten, you can all open the chest, but if it isn't the 5k chest then do not open that one again, go to a different tower for your next chest opening - this is on an individual basis, each person has their own rotation of bonus chest order
SimonSes said: »
Can someone tldr that? Should we change tower we finish at every full climb and if someone in party will get 5k, should the rest of the party go check other tower instead of opening the chest?
Just never do the same zone back to back, that simple really, can either rotate them doing 1>2>3>4 or if you fee like gambling pick them at random(obviously not repeating zones you got the NQ chest in until you find the HQ).
HQ chest is character specific, for example 4/6 of my characters had it in one zone, was in another zone for the other two characters. Once you find the HQ chest, it resets and is in one of the chests again at random.
And for what its worth, on asura at least, so far every HQ chest has been a matter drop. so if it isn't 100% with high NM kills its probably pretty close.
I always open a different chest. When you finish a climb, just redo the last tower immediately and have that be your next climb's start point. I always open the chests 4 > 3 > 2 > 1 > 4. It was floated mixing up the chests mattered as a theory early in Limbus and so I've just been doing it that way!
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Looking back over all my data it is pretty consistent with 5k chest just randomly being reassigned each time a 5k is opened for that character and it can be any of the 4 chests distribution looks very even and I'm comfortable saying its probably 1/4 chance for each of them.
Your best strategy unless, a way to identify the 5k is found, is just going through opening all the chests in a set order, especially with multiple characters so you aren't ever opening a chest that you already know has to be a 3k and you don't have to have each character opening different chests.
I'm mostly just happy it turns out I wasn't crazy.
Your best strategy unless, a way to identify the 5k is found, is just going through opening all the chests in a set order, especially with multiple characters so you aren't ever opening a chest that you already know has to be a 3k and you don't have to have each character opening different chests.
I'm mostly just happy it turns out I wasn't crazy.
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Looks like NM's respawned on my server, so I can do the stupid climbs this week
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Carbuncle.Nynja said: »
Looks like NM's respawned on my server, so I can do the stupid climbs this week
I have noticed on Shiva as well. Best guess (and I could be wrong cause i'm dumb) its tied to a static 30 day rotation, not tied to version update which was my assumption - though it probably close enough.
Oct 9 was the last update which introduced the change from weekly > monthly, and it's nov 9 today.
Well todays weekly reset, so its probably on four weeks. It just seems very unlikely that it would randomly flip midweek as next would be Tuesday Dec 9.
Finally had time to turn in my pre-farmed temps, time to rake in those matters knowing we have the max possible drop rate!
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Some of us already noticed the odd pattern on the 5k chest, on an individual basis.
But we kept wondering if it was confirmation bias or if it was something true.
Nice to finally find out that it is.
Still I'm wondering on a part.
What we know for sure:
1) Each given time for every single player, out of the 4 chests you can open in each zone, one will be 5k, the others 3k
2) Each time you open a 5k chest, it will be "rolled" to appear on another of the 4 available chests for the next time you open it
What I'm wondering for part 2 though is: Is the roll pure random? So it can be any of the 4, even the same one you already opened?
Or does it rotate until you opened all 4 5k chests then it rotates again?
Example, let's say chests are called A, B, C, D.
If I find a 5k chest on A, next time can it be any, A included?
Or will the next time be possible only on B, C and D?
I assume it's the latter.
Assuming I'm right, let's say the second time I'm lucky and I find 5k chest on B.
The next time where will 5k chest be able to pop? C and D only, or even A?
Basically I want to know if the 5k chest cycle resets only after you've opened all 4 chests and found 5k one in each (at that point it can pop on any) or if the system is simpler, and it can pop on any chest except the last 5k one you opened.
Does anybody have solid data on this? Because I don't and I'm not able to tell.
But we kept wondering if it was confirmation bias or if it was something true.
Nice to finally find out that it is.
Still I'm wondering on a part.
What we know for sure:
1) Each given time for every single player, out of the 4 chests you can open in each zone, one will be 5k, the others 3k
2) Each time you open a 5k chest, it will be "rolled" to appear on another of the 4 available chests for the next time you open it
What I'm wondering for part 2 though is: Is the roll pure random? So it can be any of the 4, even the same one you already opened?
Or does it rotate until you opened all 4 5k chests then it rotates again?
Example, let's say chests are called A, B, C, D.
If I find a 5k chest on A, next time can it be any, A included?
Or will the next time be possible only on B, C and D?
I assume it's the latter.
Assuming I'm right, let's say the second time I'm lucky and I find 5k chest on B.
The next time where will 5k chest be able to pop? C and D only, or even A?
Basically I want to know if the 5k chest cycle resets only after you've opened all 4 chests and found 5k one in each (at that point it can pop on any) or if the system is simpler, and it can pop on any chest except the last 5k one you opened.
Does anybody have solid data on this? Because I don't and I'm not able to tell.
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Asura.Sechs said: »
Still I'm wondering on a part.
What we know for sure:
1) Each given time for every single player, out of the 4 chests you can open in each zone, one will be 5k, the others 3k
2) Each time you open a 5k chest, it will be "rolled" to appear on another of the 4 available chests for the next time you open it
What I'm wondering for part 2 though is: Is the roll pure random? So it can be any of the 4, even the same one you already opened?
Or does it rotate until you opened all 4 5k chests then it rotates again?
Example, let's say chests are called A, B, C, D.
If I find a 5k chest on A, next time can it be any, A included?
Or will the next time be possible only on B, C and D?
I assume it's the latter.
Assuming I'm right, let's say the second time I'm lucky and I find 5k chest on B.
The next time where will 5k chest be able to pop? C and D only, or even A?
What we know for sure:
1) Each given time for every single player, out of the 4 chests you can open in each zone, one will be 5k, the others 3k
2) Each time you open a 5k chest, it will be "rolled" to appear on another of the 4 available chests for the next time you open it
What I'm wondering for part 2 though is: Is the roll pure random? So it can be any of the 4, even the same one you already opened?
Or does it rotate until you opened all 4 5k chests then it rotates again?
Example, let's say chests are called A, B, C, D.
If I find a 5k chest on A, next time can it be any, A included?
Or will the next time be possible only on B, C and D?
I assume it's the latter.
Assuming I'm right, let's say the second time I'm lucky and I find 5k chest on B.
The next time where will 5k chest be able to pop? C and D only, or even A?
Are you sure about that Philemon?
Beause I was pretty sure (but again, maybe I was just biased) it could be any except the last one where you got 5k.
It sorta makes sense. They created this system because, likely, they wanted to promote people to use different routes, or at least open chests in different zones instead of doing the same exact thing every bloody time.
This was their intent.
As a potential confirmation for this, a lot of people who did the same exact farming route (opening the same exact final chest) claimed they've never seen a 5k after the first time.
So because of these two things, it stands to reason that in theory the 5k could roll on any chest except the last one where you got 5k.
I was more wondering if it's just that, or if waits until you've "completed" a cycle (i.e. got 5k in each zone) before it resets and starts again.
Beause I was pretty sure (but again, maybe I was just biased) it could be any except the last one where you got 5k.
It sorta makes sense. They created this system because, likely, they wanted to promote people to use different routes, or at least open chests in different zones instead of doing the same exact thing every bloody time.
This was their intent.
As a potential confirmation for this, a lot of people who did the same exact farming route (opening the same exact final chest) claimed they've never seen a 5k after the first time.
So because of these two things, it stands to reason that in theory the 5k could roll on any chest except the last one where you got 5k.
I was more wondering if it's just that, or if waits until you've "completed" a cycle (i.e. got 5k in each zone) before it resets and starts again.
While doing them in order in tenemos 1-2-3-4-1 if I split up between how many times a character took 1 chest(back to back 5ks), 2 chests, 3 chests, or all 4 chests(so it was the same original chest that was the last 5k) this was my distribution over last 6 weeks (sadly lost some of my earlier data) between 2 characters
1: 5 times
2: 7 times
3: 6 times
4: 5 times
It never took more than all 4 chests. While more data would be great that looks like probably a 1/4 split to me, and I would assume it is without significantly more data or a reason to expect it to be other than a 1/4 split.
Now amongst the earlier data that was lost (always back things up or windows will get you with those updates!) was a time where one character had 4 5ks in a row and the other had 3 5ks in a row, if we assume it is a 1/4 split that is very unlikely to happen but the game does like to mess with me and at least for once I got extra points out of it. I have to just consider that to be an outlier unless it is repeated.
1: 5 times
2: 7 times
3: 6 times
4: 5 times
It never took more than all 4 chests. While more data would be great that looks like probably a 1/4 split to me, and I would assume it is without significantly more data or a reason to expect it to be other than a 1/4 split.
Now amongst the earlier data that was lost (always back things up or windows will get you with those updates!) was a time where one character had 4 5ks in a row and the other had 3 5ks in a row, if we assume it is a 1/4 split that is very unlikely to happen but the game does like to mess with me and at least for once I got extra points out of it. I have to just consider that to be an outlier unless it is repeated.
Asura.Sechs said: »
Are you sure about that Philemon?
Beause I was pretty sure (but again, maybe I was just biased) it could be any except the last one where you got 5k.
It sorta makes sense. They created this system because, likely, they wanted to promote people to use different routes, or at least open chests in different zones instead of doing the same exact thing every bloody time.
This was their intent.
As a potential confirmation for this, a lot of people who did the same exact farming route (opening the same exact final chest) claimed they've never seen a 5k after the first time.
So because of these two things, it stands to reason that in theory the 5k could roll on any chest except the last one where you got 5k.
I was more wondering if it's just that, or if waits until you've "completed" a cycle (i.e. got 5k in each zone) before it resets and starts again.
Beause I was pretty sure (but again, maybe I was just biased) it could be any except the last one where you got 5k.
It sorta makes sense. They created this system because, likely, they wanted to promote people to use different routes, or at least open chests in different zones instead of doing the same exact thing every bloody time.
This was their intent.
As a potential confirmation for this, a lot of people who did the same exact farming route (opening the same exact final chest) claimed they've never seen a 5k after the first time.
So because of these two things, it stands to reason that in theory the 5k could roll on any chest except the last one where you got 5k.
I was more wondering if it's just that, or if waits until you've "completed" a cycle (i.e. got 5k in each zone) before it resets and starts again.
Only been tracking it since that SE announcement.
Asura.Sechs said: »
As a potential confirmation for this, a lot of people who did the same exact farming route (opening the same exact final chest) claimed they've never seen a 5k after the first time.
So because of these two things, it stands to reason that in theory the 5k could roll on any chest except the last one where you got 5k.
So because of these two things, it stands to reason that in theory the 5k could roll on any chest except the last one where you got 5k.
If you open the same chest every time, say NE, and your 1/4 doesn't hit NE, you will never see another 5k.
It's not rolling 1/4 each time, it's rolling it once then storing it.
It's basically the coffer system. It might respawn in the same spot, but if it doesn't and you stand there "trying" the same spot forever, you'll never see another coffer (assuming other players aren't involved)
Maletaru's post makes sense.
Basically it rolls on one of the 4 chest and stays there until you open.
Once you do, it rolls again and it can happen on the same chest again, just 25% chance.
Probably reset with server maint, I suppose.
Wonder which tech they used to store individual data which, I assume, is completely server-side and not client-side.
Basically it rolls on one of the 4 chest and stays there until you open.
Once you do, it rolls again and it can happen on the same chest again, just 25% chance.
Probably reset with server maint, I suppose.
Wonder which tech they used to store individual data which, I assume, is completely server-side and not client-side.
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Yes that appears to be how the system works, aside from the maintenance reset bit.
Sounds like you should just be trying coffer 1-2-3-4 instead of always opening the same one.
That's still a stupid system... I understand that they need to keep people subbed. However I think a random chance clearing a floor and 100% from any chest with a weekly cap of 5 would have been much better and probably have kept me subbed a bit longer. 1 to 2 climbs a week are fine for me but 5 no chance it's super boring and doing 1 to 2 climbs per week will take a very long time to r30 my first accessory.
Its stupid, but its less stupid than a random system that is 25% chance every time.
Under your smart system:
Chest 1 is 25% chance, if you didnt hit the bonus
Chest 2 is 25% chance, if you didnt hit the bonus
Chest 3 is 25% chance, if you didnt hit the bonus
Chest 4 is 25% chance, if you didnt hit the bonus
Under this stupid system:
Chest 1 is 25% chance, if you didnt hit the bonus
Chest 2 is 33% chance, if you didnt hit the bonus
Chest 3 is 50% chance, if you didnt hit the bonus
Chest 4 is 100% chance, you will hit the bonus
Under your smart system:
Chest 1 is 25% chance, if you didnt hit the bonus
Chest 2 is 25% chance, if you didnt hit the bonus
Chest 3 is 25% chance, if you didnt hit the bonus
Chest 4 is 25% chance, if you didnt hit the bonus
Under this stupid system:
Chest 1 is 25% chance, if you didnt hit the bonus
Chest 2 is 33% chance, if you didnt hit the bonus
Chest 3 is 50% chance, if you didnt hit the bonus
Chest 4 is 100% chance, you will hit the bonus
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Carbuncle.Nynja said: »
Its stupid, but its less stupid than a random system that is 25% chance every time.
Under your smart system:
Chest 1 is 25% chance, if you didnt hit the bonus
Chest 2 is 25% chance, if you didnt hit the bonus
Chest 3 is 25% chance, if you didnt hit the bonus
Chest 4 is 25% chance, if you didnt hit the bonus
Under this stupid system:
Chest 1 is 25% chance, if you didnt hit the bonus
Chest 2 is 33% chance, if you didnt hit the bonus
Chest 3 is 50% chance, if you didnt hit the bonus
Chest 4 is 100% chance, you will hit the bonus
Under your smart system:
Chest 1 is 25% chance, if you didnt hit the bonus
Chest 2 is 25% chance, if you didnt hit the bonus
Chest 3 is 25% chance, if you didnt hit the bonus
Chest 4 is 25% chance, if you didnt hit the bonus
Under this stupid system:
Chest 1 is 25% chance, if you didnt hit the bonus
Chest 2 is 33% chance, if you didnt hit the bonus
Chest 3 is 50% chance, if you didnt hit the bonus
Chest 4 is 100% chance, you will hit the bonus
No, you didn't quite get what I was saying I meant the floor not the whole tower. Random chance when you kill the amount of enemies required to teleport up, like 10-15%, and then a 100% chest no matter what chest it is.
Is SE just blatantly lying to us now?
East
17:31:52Acquired Temenos Units: 3000.Remaining Temenos Units: 97000.Total Temenos Units: 108000/108000.
17:31:52Temenos Operator : You may collect data 4 more times.
17:31:52Obtained: Fistful of alabaster matter.
Central
11:58:12Acquired Temenos Units: 3000.Remaining Temenos Units: 94000.Total Temenos Units: 111000/111000.
11:58:12Temenos Operator : You may collect data 3 more times.
11:58:12Obtained: Fistful of alabaster matter.
West
17:49:21Acquired Temenos Units: 3000.Remaining Temenos Units: 91000.Total Temenos Units: 114000/114000.
17:49:21Temenos Operator : You may collect data 2 more times.
17:49:21Obtained: Fistful of alabaster matter.
North
23:27:00Acquired Temenos Units: 3000.Remaining Temenos Units: 81840.Total Temenos Units: 94910/117000.
23:27:00Temenos Operator : You may collect data 1 more time.
I thought one of these was supposed to be 5k pts?
Now I wont rule out that it defaults to 3k pts if the player has maxed out points. I only cleared out units after East and Central.I will note that the two chars that did get a 5k box also got a matter alongside it.
As far as Matters per char:
4/4
1/4
2/4
3/4
3/4
2/4
15/24 is a lot better
East
17:31:52Acquired Temenos Units: 3000.Remaining Temenos Units: 97000.Total Temenos Units: 108000/108000.
17:31:52Temenos Operator : You may collect data 4 more times.
17:31:52Obtained: Fistful of alabaster matter.
Central
11:58:12Acquired Temenos Units: 3000.Remaining Temenos Units: 94000.Total Temenos Units: 111000/111000.
11:58:12Temenos Operator : You may collect data 3 more times.
11:58:12Obtained: Fistful of alabaster matter.
West
17:49:21Acquired Temenos Units: 3000.Remaining Temenos Units: 91000.Total Temenos Units: 114000/114000.
17:49:21Temenos Operator : You may collect data 2 more times.
17:49:21Obtained: Fistful of alabaster matter.
North
23:27:00Acquired Temenos Units: 3000.Remaining Temenos Units: 81840.Total Temenos Units: 94910/117000.
23:27:00Temenos Operator : You may collect data 1 more time.
I thought one of these was supposed to be 5k pts?
Now I wont rule out that it defaults to 3k pts if the player has maxed out points. I only cleared out units after East and Central.I will note that the two chars that did get a 5k box also got a matter alongside it.
As far as Matters per char:
4/4
1/4
2/4
3/4
3/4
2/4
15/24 is a lot better
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the cap goes up by 3k when you open a chest, so I would not be surprised if it just says 3k on a 5k chest if you are already capped. especially given you got so many matter drops on the capped chest openings.
I've never let my points get capped though so I can't be sure.
I've never let my points get capped though so I can't be sure.
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I thought one of these was supposed to be 5k pts?
Did the servers shut down between the first and last opening? I highly suspect the zone the 5k is in per character is randomized on server reboot, just like HQ king windows reset back in the day.
No server shutdowns between.
Maint was sunday night and an emerg patch shortly after. I did my first box Monday evening.
I think Jakey's correct, based on this is the message I get clearing a floor with capped units:
11:06:30Acquired Temenos Units: 0.Remaining Temenos Units: 97000.Total Temenos Units: 108000/108000.
So its telling you acquired units you're getting via the raised cap, not the amount of units you would have acquired.
Maint was sunday night and an emerg patch shortly after. I did my first box Monday evening.
I think Jakey's correct, based on this is the message I get clearing a floor with capped units:
11:06:30Acquired Temenos Units: 0.Remaining Temenos Units: 97000.Total Temenos Units: 108000/108000.
So its telling you acquired units you're getting via the raised cap, not the amount of units you would have acquired.
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I 3boxed for a while rotating chests and saw several 5ks on the alt that was uncapped and only one 5k on the other alt before it capped. While this is anecdotal, I did cap the points on said alt from an ??? And it read something like 2360 as i was within 3k on that character. Stands to reason you won't see the 5k if you're capped.
Does the bonus chest also reset each week? Like if I've done 5/5 runs and the bonus is narrowed down to West 7, will it be in West when I do my first run next week? Or do I have to start over
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