Cloud Of Darkness HTBF
Cloud of Darkness HTBF
Think someone said there were 10 adds in the dats, so I would at least that many. Definitely can call adds early on, it's not based on her health. But can only summon after using Primordial Surge > Waning Vigor. If you kill it too fast, you won't see many, but if you intentionally don't kill her you will.
One other thing - I was 2boxing earlier and on one screen an add was a taru and the other screen it was Elvaan, wtf caused that? IT was an Elvaan afaik.
Lakshmi.Buukki said: »
Think someone said there were 10 adds in the dats, so I would at least that many. Definitely can call adds early on, it's not based on her health. But can only summon after using Primordial Surge > Waning Vigor. If you kill it too fast, you won't see many, but if you intentionally don't kill her you will.
K123 said: »
Lakshmi.Buukki said: »
I was going to ask if anyone had experience killing like 5+ adds prior to killing CoD
Is there a HP % at which it will stop calling adds? It feels to me like it doesn't call adds under 10% on VE/E
If I recall from earlier in this thread, there is a maximum number of adds that can occur, scaling with difficulty.
K123 said: »
Isn't Primordial Surge always at 75%?
Somewhere around there. Just did a run and it used move at 77%
I've only ever seen it used it at 75% unless it is using a TP move already or casting a spell which delays it.
Asura.Yottaxa said: »
Ragnarok.Miraeldito said: »
Hi everyone, last month I approached this fight as SCH.
I used to do it consistently as MNK on E, but it never dropped the headpiece, so I adjusted my gear and did some testing.
Right away, I managed to clear it on N, and once I understood the mechanics, I did it on D, and the mask dropped on the first try (lucky me).
Now I'd like to help some friends who still need it, and I was thinking of doing it on VD.
During the first couple of tries, I'm running into a damage issue: the helix hits for 12k, so I should have reached the cap for its DoT, but despite this, I run out of time and the mob has around 5-10% HP left.
What am I missing?
Is it just about throwing another spell to do more DoT? Poison or something else?
Or is it something different?
I used to do it consistently as MNK on E, but it never dropped the headpiece, so I adjusted my gear and did some testing.
Right away, I managed to clear it on N, and once I understood the mechanics, I did it on D, and the mask dropped on the first try (lucky me).
Now I'd like to help some friends who still need it, and I was thinking of doing it on VD.
During the first couple of tries, I'm running into a damage issue: the helix hits for 12k, so I should have reached the cap for its DoT, but despite this, I run out of time and the mob has around 5-10% HP left.
What am I missing?
Is it just about throwing another spell to do more DoT? Poison or something else?
Or is it something different?
Edit: I am also pre-popping Ebulliance etc, so that my helix II lands exactly as the previous one wears off. (I even customized the debuffed timer specifically for my Luminohelix II to show the correct duration for this)
Edit 2: If you're rushed for time at the end, you can switch to firestorm 2 and drop a fusion, bursting a T5/T4, but you will get add(s) to pop by then and that can be slightly risky. If you have the time, I just wait for the Helix to kill.
Edit 3: I even tag th4 via Hojo: Ni as it will tag without feeding any tp.
I will say its very silly to run around literally in a circle for a half hour straight - with constant focus, but thats FFXI for you lol. Still no mask yet.
Hope this helps.
thx, will try to be faster at the start of the fight
To all the players that have time issues with SCH strategy. Start the fight with 1 fusion fire 5, Pirohelix II; fusion fire 5,fire 4.
Then go with luminohelix II.
With stoneskin you get 0 dmg in both skillchains.
Then go with luminohelix II.
With stoneskin you get 0 dmg in both skillchains.
Asura.Hortalizo said: »
Start the fight with 1 fusion fire 5, Pirohelix II; fusion fire 5,fire 4.
Then go with luminohelix II.
Then go with luminohelix II.
Question: any reason you can't do this the entire first phase before Primordial Surge? She can't summon adds before this point, and you could force her to use TP by spamming low spells (during surge), then post surge do the kite/grav/silence/stoneskin strat thing so she never gets any more TP to use moves after Surge.
What are the dangers of doing it this way (I might be missing something with the mechanics of the fight)? You're chunking a good bit of health early on in the fight where the threat is low, and just resuming the same strategy post-surge. Asking (cuz I havent tried SCH method)
Unless I'm missing something, I don't think that's a bad approach to take. I personally play it super conservatively and just kite for a few minutes longer since I know I'm not in danger of timing out (and the zone is always empty so I'm not making people wait).
K123 said: »
Phoenix.Michelob said: »
I've always understood TH to only impact whether a slot appears or not. Shared drop distributing being unaffected. Honestly, this makes the most sense. Impacting distribution within slots just seems like a can of worms that doesn't make sense to open.
I have not seen that. I have never personally seen more than 2 drops though I have seen 1 drop only on a VD before. That is how I understand TH to work, increasing the odds on that second drop slot, which admittedly is already a very high chance with TH4.
I dont do this all fight because i'm afraid of adds and dont want to take dmg (feed tp). I also dont use silence or gravity (gravity used only if adds are up). Just run with the adouling speed movement ring.
Lakshmi.Buukki said: »
K123 said: »
Isn't Primordial Surge always at 75%?
Somewhere around there. Just did a run and it used move at 77%
E observations:
Seems she will always use Primordial Surge <80% health. Took her to 80% and turned, and all she would do is cast and swing. The moment I took her to 79%, she used Primordial Surge.
Waning Vigor is also a timed move, somewhere around 45-50 seconds (used a stopwatch to track it). Her TP doesn't matter. I usually spam WS for about 40 seconds during glowing head (WS depending on her mode), then start running. It's always at the 45-50 second mark (longer if she's stuck in a casting animation or you're too far away).
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Yes, agree it is always a set time until she uses Vigor but also with the constraint that you might need to be in range for it to be used?
You definitely need to be in range for it to use waning vigor. It will continue in that mode forever until it catches its target and attempts the move (even if it misses). Not sure of the exact range, but it's probably 10-15 yalms.
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I don't think this has been mentioned, but if it hasn't, I believe it can absorb Blink with Absorb-Attri. So definitely a good reason not to use it.
Can accessory and/or mask drop in the personal pool or is that always rem chapter/stones?
K123 said: »
Can accessory and/or mask drop in the personal pool or is that always rem chapter/stones?
In the case of all merit battles, gear only drops to the treasure pool, and direct drops are limited to chapters and stones.
Asura.Pergatory said: »
I'm still of the opinion that it's based on the jobs brought into the fight (possibly including trusts used). Mage job gives him a chance to absorb magic and melee gives him a chance to absorb physical.
I don't know the exact job breakdown but the reason I think this is because I've NEVER had him absorb physical while I was soloing on SCH (without trusts), but when I've brought a THF along for TH (still no trusts and I tell them not to do ANYTHING until 2%) he suddenly sometimes starts absorbing physical. So the actions being performed on him doesn't change, but his behavior changes. So I think it has to be based on the people who enter the fight.
Someone could probably test this by going in to SCH solo and summoning 5 meat-head melee trusts (but don't engage or they'll feed TP, just let them follow you around). You should see 5/6 runs absorb physical.
I don't know the exact job breakdown but the reason I think this is because I've NEVER had him absorb physical while I was soloing on SCH (without trusts), but when I've brought a THF along for TH (still no trusts and I tell them not to do ANYTHING until 2%) he suddenly sometimes starts absorbing physical. So the actions being performed on him doesn't change, but his behavior changes. So I think it has to be based on the people who enter the fight.
Someone could probably test this by going in to SCH solo and summoning 5 meat-head melee trusts (but don't engage or they'll feed TP, just let them follow you around). You should see 5/6 runs absorb physical.
What I did was go in and summon 5 melee trusts. Can't remember the exact ones, something like AAHM, Tenzen, Ayame, etc. Then I did my usual strategy of buffing up, Luminohelix2, and kite. The only action I ever performed on the boss is Luminohelix2, I don't Gravity or any of that stuff. I didn't engage the trusts either, just had them following me around. Both times, he used physical absorb, something he's NEVER done when I just went in SCH without trusts. One time, several trusts died to AOE before the move but he still absorbed physical.
I'm about 95% certain that his absorb type is determined by the jobs present on pull, including trusts.
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Got my 2nd mask, also on VE (but with no TH).
Did last few as WAR+BRD with Yoran, Koru, Qultada, Joachim and it never absorbed melee damage so it might be true about jobs but my sample size is only 4 fights and I don't need to to this ***ever again so can't confirm further.
Did last few as WAR+BRD with Yoran, Koru, Qultada, Joachim and it never absorbed melee damage so it might be true about jobs but my sample size is only 4 fights and I don't need to to this ***ever again so can't confirm further.
Probably already been stated but using gravity2 to kite this makes it an effortless 30sec fight.
Seems to require current target to be within a specific range, not sure on the exact, to even use the first prim surge, let alone other tp moves. As long the tank stays far enough away it never uses prim surge (or anything TP move related).
Pull, Gravity2, Dia3, Tank uses JAs and starts kiting, everyone else engage, Don't think the DDs even matter to be honest, been using pld, rdm, brd, cor, war, thf. All engaged, all spamming savage blade while PLD kites around outside, dies in 30~ seconds.
Seems to require current target to be within a specific range, not sure on the exact, to even use the first prim surge, let alone other tp moves. As long the tank stays far enough away it never uses prim surge (or anything TP move related).
Pull, Gravity2, Dia3, Tank uses JAs and starts kiting, everyone else engage, Don't think the DDs even matter to be honest, been using pld, rdm, brd, cor, war, thf. All engaged, all spamming savage blade while PLD kites around outside, dies in 30~ seconds.
I got all 4 drops under 40 tries on VE with TH4.
Solo PUP w/ trusts. Have automaton hold the boss full-time while you pick off adds with trusts.
Solo PUP w/ trusts. Have automaton hold the boss full-time while you pick off adds with trusts.
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I have probably done ~15 so far on Easy as MNK/DRG+WHM/RDM (TH4) with trusts (August, Arciela 1, Sylvie UC, Ygnas) and have back/neck accessories for both characters but no waist or masks.
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VD with 6 box.
MNK/DNC - COR/THF - RDM/SCH - BRD/BLM - GEO/BLM - WHM/SCH
MNK: Only DPS on boss. Capped Subtl Blow and uses chi blast/shijin to avoid tp moves (due to adds spawning by them)
3 step light with Vere and impetus. Rerolling it after RD/WC.
COR: Light shot for Dia4 + TH. Chaos/Sam roll and RD/WC/RD for ES lullabys adds.
RDM: Debuff duty. Resist some even on Mlvl.32. Backup by indi focus on initial debuffs. Dispel on first primordial if magic absorb.
BRD: Melee songs and ES lullaby duty when adds pops. Dispel on first primordial if magic absorb.
GEO: Indi focus until debuffs landed. Then fury + frailty and entrust str.
WHM: Heals. Asylum duty if 2nd primordial happends before it dies as it is a full dispel. (Not happening in the video).
I got melee absorb on 1st Primordial this time. But it seems to be random as both happends with this strat. Much easier when magic absorb. Just don't SC during it.
Been lucky on belt, neck, back. Only missing out Masque as it seems to be lower drop rate.
Usually drops 2 items on VD if party needs all items.
Good luck!
https://youtu.be/ZfxIY-xuMaY
MNK/DNC - COR/THF - RDM/SCH - BRD/BLM - GEO/BLM - WHM/SCH
MNK: Only DPS on boss. Capped Subtl Blow and uses chi blast/shijin to avoid tp moves (due to adds spawning by them)
3 step light with Vere and impetus. Rerolling it after RD/WC.
COR: Light shot for Dia4 + TH. Chaos/Sam roll and RD/WC/RD for ES lullabys adds.
RDM: Debuff duty. Resist some even on Mlvl.32. Backup by indi focus on initial debuffs. Dispel on first primordial if magic absorb.
BRD: Melee songs and ES lullaby duty when adds pops. Dispel on first primordial if magic absorb.
GEO: Indi focus until debuffs landed. Then fury + frailty and entrust str.
WHM: Heals. Asylum duty if 2nd primordial happends before it dies as it is a full dispel. (Not happening in the video).
I got melee absorb on 1st Primordial this time. But it seems to be random as both happends with this strat. Much easier when magic absorb. Just don't SC during it.
Been lucky on belt, neck, back. Only missing out Masque as it seems to be lower drop rate.
Usually drops 2 items on VD if party needs all items.
Good luck!
https://youtu.be/ZfxIY-xuMaY
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epta said: »
Dispel on first primordial if magic absorb.
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They're only saying that the resistance to enfeebles drops during magical absorption. You can land all dark based enfeebles, dispel, and more.
I used solo SCH and it was very easy to get all items.
For this boss, I had:
3 VE Solo THF
1 E Solo THF
1 N Solo SCH to unlock D and VD
3 D Solo SCH
Masque dropped on my 3rd D attempt. All others dropped before.
Full buff -> Pull with buffed light helix. Run around keeping stoneskin / helix up. Takes about 22 minutes for the helix to kill him.
-Gravity started resisting or 1 sec duration by the end of 22 min, but is not needed at all.
-silence makes this harder, when he stops to cast just move out to 30 and reapply new stoneskin and phalanx.
-paralyze lands but isn't needed.
-Don't feed tp through self skillchains. It's not needed.
For this boss, I had:
3 VE Solo THF
1 E Solo THF
1 N Solo SCH to unlock D and VD
3 D Solo SCH
Masque dropped on my 3rd D attempt. All others dropped before.
Full buff -> Pull with buffed light helix. Run around keeping stoneskin / helix up. Takes about 22 minutes for the helix to kill him.
-Gravity started resisting or 1 sec duration by the end of 22 min, but is not needed at all.
-silence makes this harder, when he stops to cast just move out to 30 and reapply new stoneskin and phalanx.
-paralyze lands but isn't needed.
-Don't feed tp through self skillchains. It's not needed.
hmm since some ppl still think they NEED a MNK or subtle blow to zerg this fight, here's the video i mentioned weeks ago.
Zerging with plenty of ppl DDing on it.. no subtle blow, no MNK inihibit TP etc etc, just a quick and stupid unga bunga ZERG (a bit slower than the video if you get physical absorb red eyes).
Although this strat is almost braindead, the overall safest imho is the Gravity + kiting one.. since like that you'll seriously never ever see adds since it will never use TP moves as long as tank is beyond 17y+ ( instead of 15+ accounting for lag spikes)
Zerging with plenty of ppl DDing on it.. no subtle blow, no MNK inihibit TP etc etc, just a quick and stupid unga bunga ZERG (a bit slower than the video if you get physical absorb red eyes).
Although this strat is almost braindead, the overall safest imho is the Gravity + kiting one.. since like that you'll seriously never ever see adds since it will never use TP moves as long as tank is beyond 17y+ ( instead of 15+ accounting for lag spikes)
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Is there some sort of unlisted mechanic in this fight
Where it can wipe single buffs?
Not via absorb attributes or expunged.
Also I am noticing this at the very start I will lose a song or a roll from what appears to be a certain swing animation
I can't tell if it's my imagination.
Where it can wipe single buffs?
Not via absorb attributes or expunged.
Also I am noticing this at the very start I will lose a song or a roll from what appears to be a certain swing animation
I can't tell if it's my imagination.
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[42 days between previous and next post]It can be soloed by RDM at Difficult (D) with the typical enspell strat. I still need to try at VD because I feel that the accuracy and damage will be tight to kill it on time.
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