Segments Are Pain

Yeah it sucks. I am so thankful to my old endgame LS giving me a chance on Non-yagrush, Non-burtgang PLD all them years ago to get my first aeonics.

Man if this ain't true. I hate the whole notion of "you need Burtgang/Aegis to play PLD" or "you need Epeo to play RUN, don't think about RUN until Epeo" like those statements genuinely push people away. And I'll stand by the comment, you don't need Epeo for almost all endgame content, for example you can tank V20 Kalunga and Arebati with Aettir only.
Just because people have the rema doesn't mean they know what to do with it

It would not be "well done" is the problem.

The entire game would have to be rebuilt to properly identify 119 vs 119 so you could sort appropriately.

There's no way to differentiate a player in delve 119 from a player in sortie 119, or that a tank has enmity or dt etc

Aegis is about where id say you "need" it if just for the higher end fights as those are heavily magic based and aegis is a fat chunk of MDT II that you cant otherwise get on a job that doesnt naturally handle magic as well as RUN

You dont need it for something like a casual sortie or a v15, dont need it for ambuscade, didnt need it for delve etc. Atleast duban took out the must have ochain stuff as if you couldnt survive using a priwen for phys stuff

Between the idea that someone just starting needs all the top end stuff and the just aversion to failure makes getting anywhere a major headache in this game if you're trying to get started

BRD is a tough one, the difference between 3 and 4 songs can be vast, and Honor March is so strong. With that said, we got through V20 with an Aettir RUN and did just fine with a +7 GEO as well.

Also I think there are a lot of meta jobs that don't need a ton of really special gear to perform their roles adequately, including some really important ones like SCH, RDM, and PLD.

This is what made me finally retire BRD recently, despite having Relic, Aeonic and Empyrean and a very well-geared all around BRD otherwise. When I offered my non-Mythic BRD to scenarios and told people that I could absolutely do the job without mythic, but it would just require one additional song rotation to extend songs until next nitro use, the idea of anything under optimal was laughed at. Was told I needed a Carn for stuff, so I just stopped offering it to groups. If I want to make a weapon, it's going to be for me and not because it's required.


I also can't tell you how many times I cast my Luopan in idris, then switched to a DD club, locked my weapon, my luopan died and then I recasted a bubble in non-Idris club but JSE+2 neck), and the fight continued on just the same and nobody noticed the damage or effectiveness tank at all. It must be in the dozens, since sometimes during fights (especially in ambu, sortie), a lot is going on and I don't realize my DD weapon is locked (because sometimes I want to keep my TP) and I just move bubble out of habit. Obviously the correct thing to do is unlock weapon and recast bubble, which I do often, but the point is people rarely notice a reduction in potency from BIS to next-best available potency, and oftentimes it doesn't make any difference, but people just like to pretend its a requirement for success, and if you fail, its because you didn't have idris/carn/rema etc. Complete nonsense most of the time.

IDK, Epeo taking less physical damage and + enmity doesn't seem like a thing you wouldn't want as a tank. If you're going for v20s and definitely v25s and you don't want to blow your money on a job that you can take to it, what are you blowing it on? Why don't you want nice things, isn't that what higher tier clears are as well?

Is there in game coke that I don't know about? I already have a fireworks addiction.

I don't hear people saying, I want the most challenging version of this clear that I can possibly contribute to. Let's hardcore it up bros! My gear is trash but we are so skilled that we'll win anyways! I hear them say, I want this clear but I can't find a group to do it with me. If I was that mystery group they can't find, I would want their jobs to shine like the sun because that's what I do with my jobs. Even the ones I don't really like. But somehow you think 5 other people want to waste their time on you when you haven't spent the time to make yourself the best possible version of yourself for them?

That sounds like at some point you're looking for a carry.

I sadly have to agree, you do need Aegis at a minimum for endgame because of how bad PLD takes magic damage without it. around 70 MDB less and ~220~ magic evasion shorter than RUN.

Yeah... Bard is another tough one because some content, perhaps up to V15 you don't "need" a full rema bard, but personally I wouldn't wanna risk trying without it, you know? It may be doable, but when I know some other players are undergeared I personally want better buffs to carry the dps lol

Odyssey requires 3 different jobs, sometimes that 6 month barrier of entry people want hasn't passed. Is Epeo the cherry on top for RUN? Absolutely, but I think refusing to play with tanks because they don't have it is the dumb part, that's all. If you think they're "looking for a carry" i'd suggest checking their gear and making the claim on a case by case basis.

Will the PDT break an Arebati run? definitely not since almost all damage is magic in there, the bonus enmity can give the tank more leeway and more chance of success for sure, but It's not needed in any way. Will the PDT break a Kalunga run? that one it's quite possible, there are ways to get around it, extra Minnes, recast Minnes on first dispel etc. Save Battuta incase Lahar + def down so Searing serration don't tear a new *** into the tank.

Every aspiring tank should look into these mythic/ergon weapons 100%, but I don't agree gate keeping content that don't necessarily require them.

Edit: I'd personally not take a non-rema tank for something like v25s, but V0-20 isn't too bad and can be done with a little extra effort.

We might not have a way to differentiate between i119 levels, but I am sure SE do.

They stopped increasing the number, doesn't mean there's not another number used internally to tell them apart.

But given how the game works on swaps, I don't think that would work well either.

IMO the "you should have this", and it's a should not a must, is more about weeding out who is prepared for something and who isn't. Not talking about casual ambu or stuff like that, just content that needs a certain amount of preparation.

Knowing how to use it is another thing more difficult to quantify.

I agree I used to see gear as a way to check "who was prepared and willing to put in effort", but over the recent years the effort isn't there for most the players, they swipe a credit card and buy a character with all the rema and no idea how it works, but guess what? they got full rema though.

https://ffxiclopedia.fandom.com/wiki/Command/checkparam

SE *** up by not raising the ilvl cap. They tied certain systems to your ilvl (I believe it affects XP/CP gain, trust and pet level, possibly other things) and then got lazy and decided to scrap it and just make everything 119. They could have made a soft cap for these things, but still raise ilvl on equipment. Would it really break anything to slap ilvl 139 on Gaol equipment?


Heres my GEO's checkparam:
Avg ilvl: 119
Prim acc: 960 / Prim atk: 1035
Aux Acc: 0 / Aux Atk: 0
Racc: 441 / Ratk: 491
Eva 816 / Def: 1216

This tells you nothing relevant.

Im not sure they do either, i think the attempt was made with superior items but it wasnt well received so it was largely scrapped, as far as checks go a player in skirmish+1 is the same as a player in ody r30

You could attempt to filter by possibly checking what a player has experienced via title checks or tracking what events they've entered in general but i think they'd probably leave that to the player to check off instead

The idea is that a duty-finder-like-system would have set requirements.

But it would require you to literally register tp set, ws set, turtle set, hybrid set and somehow verify you know how to and when to use them.

Far beyond the scope of anything they'd even pretend to make.

The foundations there in seacom, it just needs to be improved and the ability to search them more streamlined, one of the worst aspects of trying to get people is that you are largely locked into being in town and crossing your fingers people join/those present dont leave.

It'd require players to actually use it and i think that would be another issue but if it works i think itd get some traction as an alternative to /yell if you lack people you can ask directly

Does Duty Finder let you rate people you've partied with?

No but you can kick shitty players and a new player will join. You also don't have daily limits for attempting like FFXI.

Most stuff you want to Duty Finder is pretty face roll.

The point is that the ground work has already been done and a system is in place. Just add to it.

This, so much this.

In "modern MMOs" (pretty much standard since forever) you can just go do what ever WHILE queueing up for content and when enough members are found you're warped to the entrance of that content.

No shouting in town, no people losing patience and leaving, no "I'm sorry, I thought I had this warp point already".

Thats why people should just play a modern game and not try to make 11 into one.

It ain't gonna happen.

Apparently the survey said the majority of JP players play solo. If the survey had any meaning at all they'll have to draw conclusions from it. I don't get my hopes high but let's wait and see.

I want the worst implementation of duty finder

I click sortie - I want 5 sam to join me

I click v25 - I want 5 ninjas

I want your worst - I want vizes and kuro's

I want pure chaos....

The thing about duty finder is that it needs *a lot* of players to work. Even if the job and player quality issues could be worked out, it'd also have to support the ability to multi-queue for everything you need at once and create groups for whatever it could to have any success in making full groups.

I think cross-server instances would be better than duty finder, personally. Even if you had to organize outside of game, it would more than double the player pool. Asura might have the most players, but it seems widely recognized to have some of the worst social skills.

It would also be fun to have the opportunity to play with or help out some of the folks we've met on community websites with no commitment to server transfer.

Just imagine Bumba v25 with an automated party of nin drg war pld mnk bst.

Any recruiting system I can think of that would 1. "work" and 2. be cheap to implement would honestly just look a lot like the existing /seacom system that nobody uses. A gamewide board you could sigh up on, listing what content you're looking to do RIGHT THEN RIGHT THERE (along with available jobs and what-not) could theoretically work, you'd just have to sift through people via reputation like we do now (or gamble on an unknown), but I've posted up in places like Mhaura before with my /seacom up saying to invite me for Ambu if you need people, never once gotten a message, so I doubt people would use it vs just sticking to shouts like we've always done. Any kind of automated system is a nonstarter, would be dead on arrival, and SE is absolutely not willing to put in the effort to make such a system robust enough to be usable, they can't even fix really blatant bugs in certain body armors ffs. Most of this I've just come to accept though, it's the nature of playing a >20year old MMO that lost its keys to the engine room.

Anyway, I mostly just came in here to vent about Segments. Blowing 30-40k weekly on attempts right now, along with a few Amp charge runs to actually USE my past clears, as well as the occasional "help a newbie out" runs, I'm tired boss. All I see is Purple, and the Purple is beginning to see me back.

I don't think an automatic duty finder is a good fit for XI, but a simple board to list/sort groups seeking members would be great, even if the vetting process was still mostly manual.

Quantifying player power via gear score in a game like XI would be a nightmare, but it would be easy enough to include JP/ML and highest progress in that content when applying to join a group.

Example: You and four other people need a RDM for Gigelorum v25. You pick Ody > Giggles > v25 from a list, then pick what jobs are acceptable for the last party slot(just RDM in this example). If someone applies(regardless of what job they are currently on) it shows you their RDM ML and the hardest difficulty Gigelorum they have beaten, with buttons to invite, /tell them for more info, or decline.

It wouldn't help much with Ody RP runs, and it definitely won't help with the elitism and toxicity in pugs, but it would probably result in more people being willing to "lead" parties if they didn't have to spam shout to find people.

Uses ffxi party finder

*Gets 5 people *

Me: Are you like me or do you have a life?

I had great success just posting a thread here to find people for Odyssey, and they were all great people. Unfortunately I didn't get to see it through because of some personal problems, but it doesn't take much to find people if you put yourself out there.

That's true, but the need for one was already there when player numbers were much higher and KI entry restrictions were not as omni present as they are today, it just has been ignored back then, too.

You'll only get 1 I'm afraid.

Of course you'd get runs that will be complete ***shows but it will hurt less if you previously didn't have to invest 2 hours shouting and people who can pull their weight will recognize each other and can team up next time befor entering the dutyfinder queue.

Sorry, just getting caught up on a lot of good conversation so this one will be a doozy.


I haven't personally experienced this, but I've had a bunch of people adjacent to me do it.

I see people shouting, from time-to-time, "new player, can I have a linkshell?" or something similar. In pretty much every case, I've given them a linkpearl (unless I was AFK and missed them). The linkshell concierge also has linkpearls as well, so you can just grab one or two of those.

Once you get into a linkshell, talk to those people. Ask for help with a mission you're stuck on. Tell stories about the good ol' days. Talk about your favorite job. Complain about getting stuck on something. Ask them if they can craft this thing for you, or buy a material from the cooking/goldsmithing guild.

There, you have friends. Now, when you're ready for endgame, you can play with them. There's a good chance they'll help you with Ambu, Ody, Sortie, or whatever you need to help you GET to endgame. They can sell you items for a discount, they can buy things off you when you need to sell them. You could trade Riftdross for their Riftcinders...you know...do friend things together.

Join their Discord server and post memes. Engage with their discussion of FFXI content. Make fun of that elitist *** Maletaru with them, IDK...be a person?

I get where people are coming from, it's a lot of effort and it can be frustrating when people quit, get banned, take a break, etc. but I think people are blaming the game, SE, or the content instead of realizing that the problem is they're not putting themselves out there or attempting to set up content, but rather sitting around passively hoping that someone will shout with an answer to all their problems, or that someone else will set up a group that they can slot their 1/2 jobs into.

Finally: there's been a lot of discussion about requiring REMAs or certain gear before being allowed into the big boy groups. I've discussed this at length but you know what my solution is: stop trying to join 10k segment runs, V20+ boss kills, and 8/9 boss Sortie runs. Find OTHER people who don't have REMA (or who are willing to play with those without) and do content with THEM. Make a group of non-judgmental players and do 5k segment runs in Sheol A. Do a 2-boss Sortie run and then see if you can extend that to 4-boss next time. Do Vol 1 N Ambu runs, and then try to see if you can do D. If you're the one organizing it, who TF is going to tell you you can't come until you get an Idris? You can be the change you want to see in the world; invite the 3-song BRD with no Carn, invite the SB-only WAR and the Aettir RUN.