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Arebati V20
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By Odin.Demhar 2024-11-19 20:05:59
After clearing this fight 4 times, here are some of my tips.
.drop to 30fps
.turn off weather and shadow effects.
Battle related:
.personally prefer to shoot while in engaged mode with full dt/meva set
.using Armageddons white damage in the first half of the fight with Bolster to dish out huge chunk of its HP.
For example:
A)Get to Hover Shot 25 asap (this takes practice to get fast at and find that sweet movement spot)
B)Wildfire at 3k TP to get AM.
C)Double Shot + Camouflage (reduces enmity and gives 20% crit rate.) This is a good time to Bolster!
D)Ride white dmg until Camouflage wears off. Tip: You can break it with a nice Last Stand when its about to wear.
.can continue using this combination with Armageddon one more round before switching to Annihilator.
.after switching to Annihilator rotate Last Stand with Coronach and take it to finish line without worry
Phoenix.Iocus
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By Phoenix.Iocus 2024-11-19 22:23:01
Carbuncle.Maletaru said: »I'd like it if they would remove the position lock for WSs if you have Velocity and Hover Shot both active. It would be nice if SE would disincentivize cheating by taking the rewards away from it.
You could say the same thing about literally every addon in the game "I wish SE would implement this so I don't feel incentivized to cheat"
I'm not saying they couldn't do some QOL things to help non-cheaters, but you could just...not cheat...the option is on the table to play by the rules, they don't need to change the game to force you to not cheat, you've always had that choice, you just chose to cheat because it's easier/increases your DPS.
I don't feel incentivized to cheat. My arbitrary line for addons is if it produces performance that you can't normally achieve, then don't do it. I get knocked back without proper gear, can't run faster than 60%, job abilities/ws/engage/disengage stop me from moving, and i don't throttle my framerate to get through cs faster than you should. No part of me believes there is any high ground to my statement, nor do I care because I'm enjoying myself and that's the point of a game. Being able to slide all over the place all the time makes FFXI feel like FFXIV and honestly that game plays like ***.
I think it's silly that a game that pretends that they have a STF didn't take any steps to safeguard their newer JA and additions from obvious cheating. Here you go cheaters, here is a JA that only gets better if you break ToS and we won't monitor it. You just built a stack of hover shot way faster than it's possible to do because of the restrictions built into the game and it doesn't get reported anywhere. Thumbs up!
Now compare that to making it so that Hover shot allows you to move directly after WS. The difference between cheaters and non-cheater is significantly lessened. We don't have to pretend STF exists. The game safeguards the experience of normal players by pruning the excessive performance they are giving to cheaters because of their design choices. Normal players actually get a bonus because hover shot actually allows RNGs to hover in battle. And I'm not saying that it needed to be designed that way from the beginning, I'm saying that ability is 3+ years old and it's clear how it's being abused.
Quetzalcoatl.Mrsnafu
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By Quetzalcoatl.Mrsnafu 2024-11-20 09:59:06
Just attempted again, with my rng built up to 25 on Hover, using Annihilator and using Cono at 3K then using Detonator at 2k and did not seem to get the dmg I was hoping for. Gearset is based on guides and is maxed out as much as possible. I was still not getting the dmg I thought I would get, maybe spiked at 20K for Cono. I can post my gear set if anyone thinks that would help either I am not doing something right on RNG or the group as a whole is missing a beat on Arebati.
Thanks again
Quetzalcoatl.Mrsnafu
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By Quetzalcoatl.Mrsnafu 2024-11-20 10:00:26
sets.precast.WS['Coronach'] = {
head="Orion Beret +3",neck="Scout's Gorget +2",ear1="Ishvara Earring",ear2="Amini Earring +1",
body="Amini Caban +3",hands="Nyame Gauntlets",ring1="Epaminondas's Ring",ring2="Sroda Ring",
back=gear.wsd_ranger_jse_back,waist="Fotia Belt",legs="Nyame Flanchard",feet="Amini Bottillons +3"}
sets.precast.WS['Detonator'] = {
head="Orion Beret +3",neck="Scout's Gorget +2",ear1="Ishvara Earring",ear2="Amini Earring +1",
body="Amini Caban +3",hands="Nyame Gauntlets",ring1="Epaminondas's Ring",ring2="Sroda Ring",
back=gear.wsd_ranger_jse_back,waist="Fotia Belt",legs="Nyame Flanchard",feet="Amini Bottillons +3"}
Quetzalcoatl.Mrsnafu
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By Quetzalcoatl.Mrsnafu 2024-11-20 10:05:01
We did not get the W btw, only got it down to 75%
Lakshmi.Buukki
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By Lakshmi.Buukki 2024-11-20 10:11:34
"maybe spiked at 20k for Cono" is vague and doesn't tell us much to help you. Looking at your set, gear isn't the problem. Hover shot isn't the problem either since you confirmed you've done that. Check and check. Now you need to identify the buffs you were using and determine if they were optimal. Be specific. Don't just post a link that has multiple strats, tell us exactly what songs/bubbles/rolls were used, which were Marcato, Crooked Cards, BoG/EA, Bolstered, etc. Is the COR +5/+7/+8? Idris GEO? MAX BRD? Not saying this is all necessary, but it's information that matters. These fights require a high degree of play with people all on the same page. one or two mistakes in the buffs and the damage just tanks. There's clearly some context missing here if we can see that the RNG's gearset is not the issue, so elaborate if you can
Quetzalcoatl.Mrsnafu said: »We did not get the W btw, only got it down to 75%
edit: so yeah with this comment, your buffs are 100% the problem.
Also, just curious, do you know how well geared the COR is? It matters if everyone is pulling their own weight. But if your damage was as low as you say it was, his will suffer too, meaning it's likely the buffs being used.
Quetzalcoatl.Mrsnafu
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By Quetzalcoatl.Mrsnafu 2024-11-20 10:21:37
we were Missing blaze ecliptic fury
Do you think that would affect the numbers that much?
Lakshmi.Buukki
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By Lakshmi.Buukki 2024-11-20 10:26:54
No it wouldn't make it that bad, BOG/EA is 1.75 bubble potency, so not huge enough for the damage to skyrocket from that alone. But I still want you to tell me every single buff that was given from the COR/BRD/GEO and how well geared they all are :).
Sometimes people roll and their Rostam isn't equipping or they are locked in something else and Idris doesn't fire off. Seen lua issues happen all the time, when dmg is that low, something with the buffs may not have been firing properly.
Also, just realized I never addressed this and I don't see if mentioned directly from you: Was the BRD using Soul Voice Clarion Call songs at start or were you holding SV until later in the fight? Because Arebati you need SV songs immediately, Bolster you can wait til after Yaegesumi.
Quetzalcoatl.Mrsnafu
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By Quetzalcoatl.Mrsnafu 2024-11-20 10:33:50
Perfect thanks I am trying to get the info and will post once I get it.
Thanks for all the info yall
By Shiva.Myamoto 2024-11-20 11:10:30
This is sounding like a buff issue but as noted multiple times above. Details are needed to help answer your questions. Not bits of info here and there. If 75% was your mark for 15 minutes, then multiple things are not going on that should be. Definitely need to pause and review collectively what is actually happening and what should be happening.
Quetzalcoatl.Mrsnafu
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By Quetzalcoatl.Mrsnafu 2024-11-20 11:14:11
That is what we are doing getting our info together to determine the issues.
Initially I thought it was me on RNG not doing enough but think now maybe could be the bigger picture.
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By Bahamut.Celebrindal 2024-11-20 11:30:04
1. what rank is your Nyame Gear currently? I see posts all the time that say "I'm using Nyame!" and then the folks have low ranked/unranked gear there, wondering what's wrong. R20 at a minimum, and that's a very reachable minimum.
2. Drop that Epa Ring- good god I hate that thing. Drop Sroda Ring- when in a party against legit content, it just doesn't keep up outside of completely maxxed buffs...not to mention STR isn't a modifier for anything you're using, but DEX is. Regal/Ilabrat. (and "drop" means "from this set") Also, its a bit of work, but I'm really sold on Beithir Ring for Coronach once RP'd higher than 25.
Also- I really don't care what your WS numbers were as long as they were maintaining certain minimums. Half of your damage with Annihilator is going to come from your TP phase- single shots should be maxxing near 12-14k non crit, 18k crit, with common single shots being in the 8-10k range, crits ~14k.
Lastly- I hope that your reference to "Coronach at 3k" was for application of Aftermath, and occasional TP overflow during Double Shot. Coronach doesn't scale with TP, so firing it off as soon as possible is a benefit. The only risks are being careful not to generate Darkness Skillchains during the Aura as talked about the previous page. Also, your WS split should be about 70% Coronach, 30% your alternate choice even when not worried about a WS wall...it just means you're firing them off more frequently.
Quetzalcoatl.Mrsnafu
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By Quetzalcoatl.Mrsnafu 2024-11-20 11:34:49
I am R20 Nyame for all Nyame pieces.
I can surely adjust those rings to try Regal/Ilabrat too
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By Bahamut.Celebrindal 2024-11-20 11:37:49
Sorry to assume on the Nyame thing- truly never meant as anything insulting, more just a comment for posterity and those who read this stuff at a later date <3
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Quetzalcoatl.Mrsnafu
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By Quetzalcoatl.Mrsnafu 2024-11-20 11:38:45
Nothing taken wrongly by me at all, I am on here for advice so let it flow ha
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Quetzalcoatl.Mrsnafu
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By Quetzalcoatl.Mrsnafu 2024-11-20 13:26:42
So Testing RNG out on Apex Bats, switch Epam and Sroda ring for Max Cac +1(max Augs) and Regal ring and am getting up to 76K detonators after HS. So in reality I should be spamming Coronach as much as possible as long as it is not interferring with Cor's WF.
So now going to see how big of numbers Coronach can get.
Quetzalcoatl.Mrsnafu
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By Quetzalcoatl.Mrsnafu 2024-11-20 13:31:33
One quick question I may have missed it, on for example Arebati should I build the 25 HS first without WS at all till I am maxed at 25 HS?
Quetzalcoatl.Mrsnafu
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By Quetzalcoatl.Mrsnafu 2024-11-20 14:23:51
Great Video btw on HS, I watched it a couple of times and that is what inspired me to test the same on Bats there.
Lakshmi.Buukki
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By Lakshmi.Buukki 2024-11-20 15:17:39
I don't see any reason why you would wait. That's just potential WS damage you're sitting on and not dealing. It's fine if you use that time to build TP for aftermath initially, but you should be firing when you have TP for damage. The sooner you bring out the Raaz, the sooner the real fight begins.
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By Odin.Demhar 2024-11-20 16:33:12
You don't need to hold WS while climbing to HS25. Getting into the rhythm at the start and giving some time for the tank to build hate is important. I'm not a fan of spamming Last Stand or Detonator at 1k TP because I use Armageddon for this fight. Coronach is a different story. You can maximize your dmg efficiency depending on which weapon is being used.
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Phoenix.Capuchin
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By Phoenix.Capuchin 2024-11-20 16:34:53
Bahamut.Celebrindal said: »2. Drop that Epa Ring- good god I hate that thing. Drop Sroda Ring- when in a party against legit content, it just doesn't keep up outside of completely maxxed buffs...not to mention STR isn't a modifier for anything you're using, but DEX is. Regal/Ilabrat. (and "drop" means "from this set") Also, its a bit of work, but I'm really sold on Beithir Ring for Coronach once RP'd higher than 25.
Minor aside, but either of Ephramad's or Cornelia's rings have a place in this set if you chose one of them from TVR.
And yeah, I know all the arguments for/against the various rings (especially Lehko's), but I have so many uses across all my jobs for Cornelia's that it's what I currently have. Sure would be nice to be able to get more than 1!
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Phoenix.Iocus
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By Phoenix.Iocus 2024-11-20 18:51:07
So really dumb question, are you using velocity shot full time?
Are your weapons rank 15?
You should be able to hit much higher numbers with capped hover shot and all the buffs they had in the write up you posted. The weapons being r15 probably isn't required but every little bit helps. If you can get your geoup damage much closer to being able to clear it, you can do a 2 KI strategy by dropping arebati with your first KI to 75% to get the add out. The advantage to that is then the BRD can just pull the add and not have to worry about hate. If you or the COR have trouble with hate, you can use SCHs Caper to throw all the enmity from the dps onto the tank and reset them back to nothing again. Makes hate control very easy.
If you aren't using Dirge on the RNG at least start them with Animus Mineo to start them off a little slower.
SO group is on Arebati V20. I am on RNG and have the recommended Last Stand gearset, but am not doing big dmg it seems, getting from 13-17k on Last Stand with AM3 up and WS at 2k TP. Any advice or tips is greatly appreciated.
Thanks
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