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New games suck... or is it just me?
Carbuncle.Nynja
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By Carbuncle.Nynja 2025-02-21 15:03:19
Im literally telling you the situation its in.
If you dont like it cuz “its political”, thats on you. It doesnt change the facts.
Discuss the current gaming spectrum without including anything youd consider political.
Discuss the current game market without getting political. Why did Ubisoft shareholders revolt and demand a third party investigation to why their sales are plummeting without getting political.
Discuss why Kay Vess looks like a man without getting political. And before you say “muh technical limitations”, modders fixed her face, so thats out the window.
Discuss gaming design without getting political. Why does Veilguard have a whole subset of dialog and quests for trans characters? Answer this without getting political.
Discuss why Japan is blowing a gasket over AC:Shadows content, remember you cant get political.
Spoiler: you cant
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By Asura.Toeknee 2025-02-21 15:03:49
my non political take on veilguard, since i actually played through it.
veilguard felt like a disney RPG. the art style was a bit childish and the dialogue similarly felt very YA fantasy. it's a shame too because the combat was fun and the exploration (for a pretty linear game) was good too. wanted to try avowed but all the visuals i've seen are that similar type of art style which just isn't my cup of tea, i like my fantasy a little darker.
By Afania 2025-02-21 15:17:10
Im literally telling you the situation its in.
If you dont like it cuz “its political”, thats on you. It doesnt change the facts.
It's not that "I don't like it". It's just that, the same thing has been said for 30 pages. And unless we work for that specific project it's hard to really pinpoint the real project management issue behind those failed projects.
So as an outsider, besides spamming "it's DEI'S fault!!!!", what else can you add to the discussion?
In fact, I was the one who posted actual interviews or rumors about why those projects fail. Because I don't want the discussion to endlessly stuck in "it's DEI's fault!" that goes nowhere.
Discuss why Kay Vess looks like a man without getting political.
Ask the character designer. Although I don't see how designing a manly female character is inherently political. It's a common design choice even in anime.
Why does Veilguard have a whole subset of dialog and quests for trans characters? Answer this without getting political.
Ask the writer. Though I already know the producer is trans and one writer (Trick Weekes to be exact) is non-binary. So I would assume it's a natural thing that they wrote stories based on personal experience.
Trick Weekes is also a long time Bioware employee since ME trilogy btw, so you can't say non-binary writers are hired because blackrock and DEI funds force them.
Discuss why Japan is blowing a gasket over AC:Shadows content
Because orientalism. Is orientalism political though? It's not even a new thing that westerners has orientalism in their creations about Asia. It has been happening since the Last Samurai film.
I also find it funny that westerners never cared about Asian feelings when they made Last Samurai and Memories of Geisha, now they care about Asian feelings because of Ubisoft and western political war. Lol.
If you want to criticize orientalism, the same standard should apply to those films.
By Godfry 2025-02-21 15:30:35
The people who responsible for putting TypeA and TypeB in games are the people responsible for why “new games suck”, which is the name of the thread. Hope that helps.
Bringing this back to Veilguard:
The skeleton and guts of veilguard is very well done, that staff was kept around.
The dressing on top of that skeleton and guts, the TypeA/B, an entire subset of dialog just for trans characters, etc etc no one liked it and that staff was let go.
Undoing the TypeA/B nonsense and going back to male/female is a sign of a return to normalcy.
It's funny because it's true. And it doesn't matter how much people try to spin it, I end up laughing because it results in games underperforming and people getting laid off. Then, of course, reality-deniers blame the audience since they can't comprehend that almost NOBODY want to take part in their perverted world.
Hire DEI, get ***!
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By Fenrir.Niflheim 2025-02-21 15:44:06
It has been happening since the Last Samurai film. Kung Fu (released in 1972) is a lot older than the last samurai, and was a white guy playing Kwai Chang Caine a half Asian character traveling through the old American west solving problems with his mystical martial arts.
Not saying this was bad, I watched this show a lot with my dad as a kid and loved it. But it is widely seen as a peak "orientalism"
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By Fenrir.Richybear 2025-02-21 15:49:14
Beverly Hills Ninja was the best ninja
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By Afania 2025-02-21 15:54:57
It has been happening since the Last Samurai film. Kung Fu (released in 1972) is a lot older than the last samurai, and was a white guy playing Kwai Chang Caine a half Asian character traveling through the old American west solving problems with his mystical martial arts.
Not saying this was bad, I watched this show a lot with my dad as a kid and loved it. But it is widely seen as a peak "orientalism"
Well, if the story happened in America then at least they don't have to deal with Asian environment/history and ended up getting wrong somewhere.
Films like Mulan(2020) got so many Chinese architecture wrong to the point that it feels unreal. AC shadows has similar complaint about architecture, samurai class and one-legged torii. It's easy to get wrong on those environments if the creators aren't familiar with the culture.
I am not sure if this counts as political problem.
By Viciouss 2025-02-21 18:29:44
You're right
Why does it matter? Type A and Type B? Who cares, right? Why does it matter.
If it doesnt matter, then why was male and female changed to TypeA and TypeB in the first place, because like you said, "it doesnt matter".
Turns out, it does matter.
When was the last time Nintendo cared about your gender insecurities? That's what Xenoblade is, right? A Nintendo game. They don't care about anything other than gamers having fun. I can't even think of the last Nintendo controversy. Other than your hardware is out of date, which has been true since like 1995. So when Xenoblade brings a character creator, why is this news? They aren't doing anything different.
You have to remember that viciouss doesnt play these games until they go on sale at 75% off. He just supports them through social support.
Also, this is a straight up lie.
Carbuncle.Nynja
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By Carbuncle.Nynja 2025-02-21 20:42:43
I'll probably wait for a sale tho.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Afania's the actual discount shopper, my bad.
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By Viciouss 2025-02-21 20:55:04
I've had MH: Wilds preordered since playing the beta last fall. There is a difference between "waiting for discounts" and not having actual playtime because of IRL work. Investing in a story is not something I have time for atm.
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By Afania 2025-02-22 04:01:13
I'll probably wait for a sale tho.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Afania's the actual discount shopper, my bad.
What's wrong with being a discount shopper? Lol. Last year I played 46 games total, and I still have around 42 games on my backlog, that I bought but haven't played. In other words, I am purchasing more games than I can consume AND consuming more games per year than average gamer.
Idk why are you looking down on discount shopper. The amount of money that I contribute to the gaming industry probably isn't any less than people who buy 2-3 AAA games per year at full price. Buying 30-40 games per year at $10 each is spending more money for the industry than buying 3 games per year at $70. Nevermind the fact that some games that I purchased last year are at the range of $40-$50.
The only difference between buying more games with less price is that more money is going to different studios instead of just 1-2 big publishers. Imo this kind of spending habit is more fair for smaller indie dev anyways.
By Pantafernando 2025-02-22 04:32:02
Last year I played 46 games
By Afania 2025-02-22 04:33:59
Last year I played 46 games

Are you discriminating against other people's contribution to the society Panta? :0
By Pantafernando 2025-02-22 05:11:55
I actually want you to effectively contribute to society.
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By Afania 2025-02-22 08:36:30
I actually want you to effectively contribute to society.
That's what I'm doing with buying and playing games!
By Pantafernando 2025-02-22 09:47:19
You are only feeding the elite, by buying their woke game with subliminal globalist messages.
You are being mere pawn in their game of cultural subjulgation and world domination
By Afania 2025-02-22 09:56:08
You are only feeding the elite, by buying their woke game with subliminal globalist messages.
You are being mere pawn in their game of cultural subjulgation and world domination
How about, sell me a good non-elite, non-globalist game to me? I don't mind contributing to every side!
Can't blame me for not contributing if the opposite side doesn't join the market. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Carbuncle.Nynja
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By Carbuncle.Nynja 2025-02-22 10:29:41
What's wrong with being a discount shopper? Lol. Last year I played 46 games total, and I still have around 42 games on my backlog, that I bought but haven't played. In other words, I am purchasing more games than I can consume AND consuming more games per year than average gamer.
Idk why are you looking down on discount shopper. The amount of money that I contribute to the gaming industry probably isn't any less than people who buy 2-3 AAA games per year at full price. Buying 30-40 games per year at $10 each is spending more money for the industry than buying 3 games per year at $70. Nevermind the fact that some games that I purchased last year are at the range of $40-$50.
The only difference between buying more games with less price is that more money is going to different studios instead of just 1-2 big publishers. Imo this kind of spending habit is more fair for smaller indie dev anyways. Buying Veilguard in 9 months at 75% off isnt going to get those narrative designers rehired. We've been over this.
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By Afania 2025-02-22 10:38:49
What's wrong with being a discount shopper? Lol. Last year I played 46 games total, and I still have around 42 games on my backlog, that I bought but haven't played. In other words, I am purchasing more games than I can consume AND consuming more games per year than average gamer.
Idk why are you looking down on discount shopper. The amount of money that I contribute to the gaming industry probably isn't any less than people who buy 2-3 AAA games per year at full price. Buying 30-40 games per year at $10 each is spending more money for the industry than buying 3 games per year at $70. Nevermind the fact that some games that I purchased last year are at the range of $40-$50.
The only difference between buying more games with less price is that more money is going to different studios instead of just 1-2 big publishers. Imo this kind of spending habit is more fair for smaller indie dev anyways.
Buying Veilguard in 9 months at 75% off isnt going to get those narrative designers rehired. We've been over this.
Don't worry, that money I spent on games still goes to someone else in the industry. Maybe it'll go to a random developer in my region so they can pay tax to support my healthcare and pension.
By Godfry 2025-02-22 11:10:12
Last year I played 46 games total
Sorry to hear that. I hope life gets better for you.
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By Afania 2025-02-22 11:13:41
Last year I played 46 games total
Sorry to hear that. I hope life gets better for you.
what do you mean exactly, lol. Did you read some weird hidden message out of nowhere again?
Carbuncle.Nynja
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By Carbuncle.Nynja 2025-02-22 11:15:23
lol I just noticed that
46 games??
Either you go for quantity over quality
or
you need a job
Carbuncle.Nynja
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By Carbuncle.Nynja 2025-02-22 11:21:02
What did I play last year (including backlog games)
FFXI
Stellar Blade
Wukong
Rebirth
Lies of P
Elex II
Erdtree
Finally got through Bloodborne
Echoes of Wisdom
finally finished Bravely Default II
I think thats it?
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By Afania 2025-02-22 11:21:25
you go for quantity over quality
Out of all 46 games I only dislike and dropped 2 games. So I am quite happy with my ability to pick the right game.
But yeah, I tend to cycle through games really fast.
By Afania 2025-02-22 11:25:55
What did I play last year (including backlog games)
FFXI
Stellar Blade
Wukong
Rebirth
Lies of P
Elex II
Erdtree
Finally got through Bloodborne
Echoes of Wisdom
finally finished Bravely Default II
I think thats it?
Well, I don't play FFXI, so I have significantly more free time on other games than active FFXI players. FFXI is a HUGE time sink.
Also you have a lot of long games on your list, such as Rebirth or BD II. but many games that I played are action games that's 3-10 hr long.
For example, I finished MegaMan zero 1-4 last year, each MMZ is only 3hr long including game over + retry time. So that's 4 games done in like a week.
MMZ wasn't low quality game at all though. Length =/=quality.
I also played many short narrative games on Steam that's like 2-3hr long.
By Pantafernando 2025-02-22 11:34:20
Either you go for quantity over quality
or
you need a job
Or both.
Or actually, more the second than the first one
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By Godfry 2025-02-22 11:36:52
What did I play last year (including backlog games)
FFXI
Stellar Blade
Wukong
Rebirth
Lies of P
Elex II
Erdtree
Finally got through Bloodborne
Echoes of Wisdom
finally finished Bravely Default II
I think thats it?
So.. you only play peak quality game it seems....
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By Afania 2025-02-22 11:41:48
Either you go for quantity over quality
or
you need a job
Or both.
Or actually, more the second than the first one
Are you jealous that I played this many games last year Panta?
By Viciouss 2025-02-22 11:46:22
Last year I just played Rebirth, Street Fighter 6, Streets of Rage 4, Warzone, and Helldiver's 2. And Helldiver's was a Christmas gift. This year I'm hoping to play through Monster Hunter, Ghost of Yotai and GTA 6.
By Pantafernando 2025-02-22 12:00:35
Either you go for quantity over quality
or
you need a job
Or both.
Or actually, more the second than the first one
Are you jealous that I played this many games last year Panta?
Im more like the player who stress a single till i feel done isntead looking for a new one.
At my age, actually, im always generally skeptical if a game will fit my tastes.
I always keep rewinding what caught my attention the most in the previous, then i first check if a candidate has it.
Turns out, I enjoy grinding so this incredibly extend most of my plays.
I played a couple of games in 2024, but the most important one was palworld, that surely consumed near 6 month from me.
Im still playing it because there is a last piece to complete my thirst for grind (hopefully i get done by tomorrow).
After i feel completed with Palworld, i will take a break from gaming to deal with life stuffs, study a little, only thinking in coming back near may.
If they release a new expansion in Palworld around may, i will re pick it. Going back to FFXI is also on my list.
So, no, quantity doesnt means anything to me in terms of gaming. I cant afford wasting time with games that dont make me entirely enticed
So... I have been increasingly frustrated with new games over years. I feel like so much effort it placed on graphics, lighting, art style, ect and maybe 10% of that effort is placed into gameplay, controls, and story.
My latest purchase was Visions of Mana, which I was pretty excited for. Secret of Mana is in my top 5 all time, I've played Seiken Densetsu 3 translated and while I didn't think it was as good as Secret of Mana, it was still extremely enjoyable. I skipped Trials of Mana since I had already played Seiken Densetsu 3. Vision is just bad. The english voice acting was awful, the characters were bland/generic or just stupid, and I was 3hrs into the game and all I was doing to running 30seconds between CS. Felt like a slightly interactive shitty anime.
Hogwarts Legacy, Visions of Mana, Baldur's Gate 3, Starfield... I felt like all of these super hyped games were absolute duds. Final Fantasy 16 is coming to PC in a few weeks and I'm not sure if I even want to try it anymore. I've heard people say not great things about it.
I know I'm just venting a bit here, but it really sucks being excited for a new game and then the crushing disappointment when it's not fun.
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