Nerf BRD

BRD gearing is unique, in that you are basically required to make 3 of 4 rema's (probably soon to be 4 of 5). Realistically, if you are playing BRD, you will want 4 of 4 REMAs for your sanity.

That is a fairly high hurdle for a lot of players.

Job Ability: Captivating Samba
Level Obtained: mlv X
Description: Inflicts Haste Daze II to enemies within range.
Duration: 00:01:00
Recast: 00:01:00
Cost: 750TP
Range: 10 yalms
Cumulative Enmity: 420 Volatile Enmity: 900

Simultaneously giving DNC what it lacks most, an aoe tank tool.

/dream

Bard is just in an incredibly good spot, a job that offers flat attack means that it synergizes incredibly well with every other attack buff in the game, marches are just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to the jobs utility. While it would be nice to have haste alternatives for whatever lazy sunday content I think we would be hard pressed to find groups willing to forgo what minuets alone bring to the table for anything of consequence requiring physical damage. Especially in this dumb era of pushing for PDL.

Asura, Ladies and Gentlemen.

22 jobs. If every party comp you want is BRD COR GEO then BARANCE

Nerf prime weapon

Everyone gets prime flute in 1 week of casual effort.

Everyone happy

Problem solved

This is very weird argument. So what if you need another GEO? If you need another GEO, if one GEO is providing Haste cap and Accuracy, then you would also want/need another GEO for BRD doing the same. Basically only place where this argument would matter is Odyssey Gaol.

Nerf everything, I want to struggle to hit 1,000dmg again

I am bemused that every thread like this that starts with some idiot making a dumb statement with no logic or thought behind it turns into a well meaning and genuine debate when the premise it is based on is disingenuous as hell.

You are rewarding this behavior.

Nothing disingenuous about it.

It's *** stupid that every party uses all 3 buffers and 1 out of 15 DD. It's to be expected, still stupid.

What else are they gonna do at this point? Short of giving every DD some way of hasting, attack and accuracy buffing everyone and being able to maintain said buffs fulltime, nothing is ever going to change.

Just make a relic, empyrean, mythic, aeonic and now prime weapon and you're good to go as brd. What's the problem.

Limit the absolute absurdity of being able to stack 60 buffs. And make haste2 "full haste".

Bonus, soft nerfs naegling

End of ROV - We thought we could keep ffxi fun and energetic. We stayed subbed like good wittle boys and girls... But FFXI not fixing its core issues, not throwing money at this game...

This game dying is a canon event

I find it so amusing how quick the defenders of those without BRD jump to "its a unique job gear-wise" "it requires so many RMEAs"....y'all don't really think all the BRDs who aren't dboxed you play with WANT to BRD all the time, do you? Maybe 5% of them do. We don't wanna build that crazy multi-RMEA brd, either.

But we want the success in Content, and that's what it takes. So maybe just be a smidge helpful, and start it slowly. The only one of the 3 "needed" RMEAs that takes any work these days is the Empy.

-Ghorn can be done just by saving a fraction of your ambu points towards dynamis currency.

-Aeonics can be done in a day these days, and not just merc'd. Losta people 6man aeonics, and don't use a single damn SMN.

-Carn is the RMEA on BRD you make for yourself, not for them. So that can wait if you can stand the annoyance (you won't for long)

And none of the "big three" have trials, need afterglowing, or RP'ing with Swart.

Boo. Hoo.


I'm a shitty BRD- I know it, my friends know it. But i have it around for things I can manage, and share the load.

I got a better idea.

He's gonna hit the Repair button and fix FFXI, right? I can't believe no one thought to do that.

The attack songs are better than most take them for. Unless I'm mistaken and correct me if I am, Because it's flat attack. It gets multipled by all the atk%+ buffs like chaos roll/Indi-Fury/Last Resort/ Berserk etc.

So HM + Minuet IV + V = about 650 flat atk combined with the atk% buffs lets say Fury/Chaos/Last resort. Can be around 150% atk boost meaning those 3 songs are actually giving you 1500+ atk and when combined with Soul Voice. Those 3 songs when combined with other the other buffs are giving you 3000+ atk which is a massive boost.

Yeah if you were to compare Fury/Chaos or atk songs to each other separately fury and chaos alone would give more atk than the flat attack of 650 from those 3 songs and that is if you use those 3 songs. But using those songs with Chaos/fury is massive.

On top of all that BRD is generally best source of accuracy while also being able to cap haste.

If I could only have 2 of the 3 buff jobs I would also generally choose COR and GEO before adding BRD just because SAM roll is too good and same goes for Frailty from GEO when it's not nerfed.

What bard does "in addition to" is irrelevant as long as it remains the singular viable source of capping haste. (for all jobs, not just /sam and /drk)

Bard gets to "and"
March and minuets and madrigal and carol
Everything else is "instead of"
Indi haste instead of fury instead of precision instead of STR instead of attunement

5 songs is 8(9) buffs and +stat for each song on top

Just because you have to sacrifice a Indi-fury for a Indi-Haste + cast haste if needed to cap haste. Doesn't make it any less Viable source of capping haste.

That's like as if you were saying well I could of used more atk songs or carols or Herculean Etude (STR) or Accuracy or Carol songs but instead I have to use Marches.

I won't deny that if you have a BRD, to maximise your buffs you should be using HM and maybe VM depending on situation (do you have RDM Haste II etc)

But anyways, that's not even what you were saying, You were saying that's you wouldn't use a BRD at all if you could cap haste apart from needing the likes of Carols. My comment was to say they are much more than just capping your haste and Carols. They provide excellent Atk/Def/Acc songs which stacks incredibly well with the other buffers that you could take advantage of more if you could cap haste anyways, meaning you would still use a BRD for those massive buffs regardless of haste.

I don't need minuets or minne or acc or mambo, I just need a way to cap haste. Sometimes a carol, if a mob is obnoxious with paralyze etc.

Unrelated to bard itself, just how I use it. Much rather have 2 cors and only a singular source of haste.

You have a way though. Geo subs RDM and does Indi-haste + casts haste which is incredibly viable method. or the less viable methods, you could play DRK and bring a RDM (Haste II (30), Gear(25), LR(25) =80%) Bring a BLU for Mighty Guard, Play SAM or DRG/sam and bring a RDM + DNC. Use BRD trusts like Ulmia to get those Marches etc. etc.

Like If I could only bring 2 of the 3 buffers BRD would be last to pick because COR's rolls are really strong and so is frailty if not nerfed. In fact that's what I use to do and used Indi-haste + haste. Then use frailty, Chaos/SAM roll was my general go to.

since you don't need Minuets then you obviously won't need indi fury that badly when you already have chaos + frailty.

I don't like drk sam or blu and fury/frailty because fighter/sam/rogue/allies

Well that's like saying let me play melee WHM because I don't like any other job and cap my haste/atk/acc and give me 200 stp and 100% DA without any buff jobs because I don't like how this game works and not willing to sacrifice 1 buff to get my desired need because I want a different buff instead and then I'll complain about not having that buff and say all forms of getting aren't viable because it doesn't fit my exact want.

The fact remains that there are viable options for you to cap your haste but you're refusing to acknowledge it because it's not what you want. That's a you problem not a BRD or GEO issue.

At the very beginning, bard was not in a good place until scaling with songs outweighed having another blm, or another melee.

But that went away pretty fast and ever since then brds were tanking tiamat and the crucial component to zerging kirin in 1-3 min instead of a 3 hour fight and into the meta we have now.

1000% This. SE should let BLU, BST and DNC apply 2-3 buffs to the party just like COR, BRD and GEO.

Jesus christ, they basically turned Paladins into part-time White Mages with a single job ability (Majesty).

There are zero options to keep cap haste on the full party without bard or 2 geos. healers want marches too. cor and rdm "could" sacrifice gear for dw, but that sacrifice wouldn't be necessary if there were a way, say it with me, without being forced to use a bard.

And you're going to say "indi haste or dancer" completely oblivious to the word sacrifice, and I'm going to ignore you. Taking the bard has no sacrifices. All other options do. Hence. Nerf brd. (or make haste 2 better / haste 3)

When something pervades the meta so deeply that the consensus becomes use it or I won't do it. You're supposed to address it.

I have a theory that FFXI's ending will play out in-game. As the final day approaches, all zones gets progressively darker and darker, until finally the screen is pitch-black and reads:

We're at the point where we will probably never see any more job adjustments, the metas we have now are gonna be stagnant and the same till the servers shut down. Once BRDs start finishing stage 5 Prime Horn it will just solidify itself into the meta even more as a must bring because it will have one more unique aspect to it that no other support brings to the table.

That being said if you don't like the fact that more pure support style jobs are so busted you are free to go play any of the other 100s of games that simply use the holy trinity where everything is just copy pasted and diversity exists only due to homogenization of roles and abilities (but they still fall into stagnate awful metas until the next gamebreaking patch).

They've also spent the last 2+ years trying to shove GEO into the trash which has opened up some level of variety in your Healer Tank/DD DD COR BRD shell between DNC RDM or a 2nd/3rd DD. Mage and pet strategies are able to take or leave a BRD without much issue either. COR on the other hand is much more pervasive being able to be utilized if not required for every single type of strategy. It shoots, it savages, it drops big *** magic ws dmg, it has decent hybrids, on top of providing buffs for ranged strats, melee strats, magic strats, and pet strats.