Prime WS Information, Testing, Discussion

How about stage 4 holders that don't do much sheol C nor care about saving 5 vs 4 minutes on timer.

It's totally OK that Dubai asked the question, because for some players, Sortie will help them get progress into Odyssey. Maybe those players are making a Prime Weapon for better performance in Ody C and Ody Gaol? That's TOTALLY OK.

"Im not doing Odyssey until I finish my stage 4 prime weapon" is a massive red flag because of the absolute braindead logic used.

Lets presume they do pull it off in 3 months*, that's still 90 Sheol C runs they're not getting. At a paltry 1500 segments per run, they're leaving 135000 segments on the table. This is what I mean by braindead logic. That is a lot of segments to leave on the table with no way to catch up, especially if you're still logging in every day to do a PUG Sortie.

*This person has a 100% success rate of getting shout PUG's that are netting 40k+ per run every day.

90 Sheol Cs sound more fun then 90 Sorties hehe

Plus I get 90x 30 extra mins to play games that actually care about the players

Not likely to be a big factor.

A War can Savage Blade mobs on floors #1 and #2 easily. On #3 and #4 it probably needs 2WSes. Great Axe and /Sam will probably tp faster than sword, but if it needs more Wses than sword its probably going to be a time loss. So id say it is likely to be a non-factor

On Sam, Mumei is probably better than Fudo. But it comes nowhere close to Hybrids. So you are still going for hybrids on hybrid stuff, BUT going Mumei instead of fudomune on physicals. Might be strong enough to one shot things that needd 2 fudos, that could be a decent gain.

Drg probably gainst a lot. You are still carring naegling (and being excelent with it) for piercing resistant mobs, but it probably improves you a lot on pierceable mobs. So again, possibily a decent gain.

Drk gains little. Yes, Scythe is stronger than your other options, but its probably on par with Torcleaver spam. Gsword is unlikely to beat torcleaver - it is likely to be around the same point. Neither of them solve the difficulty DRK has when switching to non-slashing.

Cor is probably the best gun for physical, but thats.... lamias and big birds. Thats it. Everything else you are using some other type of damage. It is also not likely to be strong enough to replace naegling even on things that have 125% piercing, and anything that doesnt have a fire resist will still be better off hot-shot. So I see very little improvement.

Brd Aria could be great - replace Herculean with it ( NOT a minuet - you are going to want more attack. Especially with more people getting pdl from primes. So probably 3x minuet, honor march, aria and let the healer cover with Haste). The dagger could probbly replace Aeneas as it looks better than Rudra. Naegling will still be your main weapon though - hard to beat that attack bonus.

Pld Duban at tier 3 is already the best shield you can have for general purpose. Weapon is useless.

Thats what I think things are going to look like on the most common Sheol jobs.

So thought I'd post it here as well, some limited Fimbulvetr testing gave an ftp of 9.75-9.8 at 3k tp. Didn't have enough data to say much more. My math may be wrong feel free to check

Spalirisos Stage 4: Blitz Testing
vs. Wild Rabbits in West Ronfaure







STR & DEX were the only WSC tests that had an impact on Blitz damage.

Images are broken, it seems

working fine for me

fTP Testing STR 184 DEX 186 TP Minimum Maximum Ratio 1000 1918 2011 1.048 2000 9215 9646 1.047 3000 16898 17735 1.049 Same Stats w/Fotia Belt TP Minimum Maximum Ratio 1000 2043 2140 1.047 2000 9337 9791 1.049 3000 17026 17868 1.049

WSC Testing STR 284 DEX 186 TP Minimum Maximum Ratio 1000 2092 2194 1.049 2000 10044 10524 1.048 3000 18417 19326 1.049 STR 184 DEX 286 TP Minimum Maximum Ratio 1000 2108 2193 1.040 2000 10272 10525 1.025 3000 18641 19181 1.029

Some instances occurred where the initial hit of Blitz missed:I'd appreciate any insight or feedback from the experts on this, but I think the numbers are relatively close by using the same WSC %s as seen on Stringing Pummel.

Blitz

Weapon Skill Information Description: ㅤDelivers a fivefold attack. Damage varies with TP. Weapon Type: ㅤAxe Target: ㅤSingle Class: ㅤPhysical Stat Modifiers: ㅤ32% STR / 32% DEX TP Modifier: 1000 TP 2000 TP 3000 TP fTP: 1.5 7 12.5 Skillchain: ㅤLiquefaction / Impaction / Fragmentation

Notes
fTP Transfer: No

Fimbulvetr numbers came out to 50/50 str vit and 9.5 ftp, can look at the other thread for the actual numbers.

That looks pretty good, actually. Torcleaver for non-torcleavers?

I've been switching back and forth between the two. My scythe is only stage 3. While Origin has nice damage, cala just has both high WS and white damage output. I'm sure once I hit stage 4 and stage 5, the added white damage procs and higher base damage will change that.

Warcleaver

Yeah....but can it WHIFF like Torcleaver?

Single hit WS right? So, yes?

nothing quite feels the same as a good wind-up Torcwhiffer, though ;)

I mean, ground strike's purpose is to literally strike the ground... and you miss.

That's saying something.

At least your hitting something which is an improvement over Spinning Whiff!

At least Spinning Slash has a possible excuse for whiffing because it involves taking your eyes off the enemy.

So on a scale between 1 and Fudo how much do you think this will miss?

Im gonna go with ~5% of the time, a bit less depending how much multi-hit in your WS set.

All the times where it is really important, 5% otherwise.

That seems about right. I've played around with torcleaver (R15 calad) vs fimbulvetr and at 3k TP fimbulvetr always wins, but mainly by the difference I would expect from the PDL aftermath.

From my experience so far, I personally wouldn't bother making helheim just for DRK (or PLD) other than adding a nice GS darkness option (which to be fair is quite nice having calad as a light sword and helheim as a dark sword). Fimbulvetr hits harder, but emp AM3 is making up the difference (at least at lower stages). Helheim is solid option for WAR and RUN though.

It's kind of annoying for DRK, honestly. Assuming you have a Caladbolg already, going for the scythe seems like a no-brainer since Origin and Fimbulvetr are extremely close in damage, while Origin also has utility and gives you weapon variety.

However, Origin's self-SC path is light based, which is what we already had with Torcleaver. Helheim would give you a strong darkness-based self-SC path that doesn't use weak filler WSs like vanilla scythe does.

Yeah.. if I was making a prime for DRK alone, I would go for scythe for the additional utility. Of course saying helheim is on par with caladbolg, one of the absolute top tier physical damage weapons, isn't exactly a bad thing, it's just most serious DRK's probably have caladbolg already at their disposal.

War helheim + warcry/savagery + MS is probably the best physical DPS in the game though.