Difficulty In FFXI - A Retrospective

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 Bahamut.Galakar
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By Bahamut.Galakar 2023-01-06 05:08:42
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The general sentiment around needing a REMA is if you haven't taken the time to do that, what else haven't you done for your jobs?

It's unfair but most people don't like letting strangers leech.

A person can check another person's gear to see if they meet their personal, made-up criteria for content. Not really much else you can wonder about what they have or have not done.

And unless the person is literally standing there doing absolutely nothing at all, they're not really leeching. People love to call others leeches because they're not outputting the same numbers they are or people love claiming they carried someone when most of the time, they didn't. They just like to say so to try condescending others and project the illusion that they're elite or "better" than someone else. You can easily see what you're getting into before you enter something. If you join a PUG, you get whatever the dice roll.

If you don't have a decent weapon, what's the likelihood that you have DT or M.EVA in your casting sets? Or any sets at all? The guide only had sets for TPing and WS so that's all I made!

I don't enjoy raising people when they are getting hit 2 or 3 times harder than me. And what's the point after people are double weak. If we finish content and I stayed up the entire time and dragged it over the finish line while other people ate floor pizza for most of the fight, how is that not leeching?

The likelihood is the same as the person who has a REMA weapon. Saw enough people with REMA that had no DT or High Acc sets, 'cause they were advised that the X weapon is the best, so they ignored everything else.

If I'm asked I always advise people to ignore making REMA (unless you are a BRD) until they will have 2-3 decent TP sets and the same number of WS sets.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Jakey 2023-01-06 05:14:24
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I mean most jobs have viable builds with just Naegling not to mention the rest of the ambuscade weapons and other non-remas. For most jobs I'm much more concerned with people just knowing what they are doing than if they have the "best" REMA for every situation.

I could pretty much care less if someone has a REMA tier weapon but sometimes I do care if someone has a specific REMA weapon as several provide incredibly powerful unique bonuses that do change the strategies available.
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By Carbuncle.Nynja 2023-01-06 12:55:21
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Whos running around with a masamune but fulltiming unaugmented eschazitah gear?
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By Mattelot 2023-01-06 13:05:56
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Whos running around with a masamune but fulltiming unaugmented eschazitah gear?

I don't believe it's that extreme. One guy in my LS has all kinds of useful gear... full malig, odyssey gear, etc but has no rema weapons and has no interest in making one. I can assure you that nobody has ever claimed to carry him. I'm sure he's not an outlier or a rarity.

I mean, that "you have to have rema!" mentality can go down a rabbit hole. What if someone isn't made of money or a credit card player and have 4 jobs they play but only 1 rema? Do you have to have a rema on all jobs to not be considered "leech-like" or do you need all remas that all your jobs can use? Where is the line drawn?
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By Odin.Creaucent 2023-01-06 13:55:48
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Whos running around with a masamune but fulltiming unaugmented eschazitah gear?

I don't believe it's that extreme. One guy in my LS has all kinds of useful gear... full malig, odyssey gear, etc but has no rema weapons and has no interest in making one. I can assure you that nobody has ever claimed to carry him. I'm sure he's not an outlier or a rarity.

I mean, that "you have to have rema!" mentality can go down a rabbit hole. What if someone isn't made of money or a credit card player and have 4 jobs they play but only 1 rema? Do you have to have a rema on all jobs to not be considered "leech-like" or do you need all remas that all your jobs can use? Where is the line drawn?

You dont need a credit card nor massive amounts of cash... just time! You can farm everything for free.
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By Mattelot 2023-01-06 13:58:03
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You dont need a credit card nor massive amounts of cash... just time! You can farm everything for free.

Realistically, how long do you think it will take a casual person to farm up 30000 alex and 10000 beitetsu, single boxing since the nerf to sparks?
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By Carbuncle.Nynja 2023-01-06 14:03:09
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Fully legit?

Theres also Emp, but farming pouch and cinder/dross is impossible beyond what ambu gives you every month.
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By Mattelot 2023-01-06 14:09:16
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Carbuncle.Nynja said: »
Fully legit?

Theres also Emp, but farming pouch and cinder/dross is impossible beyond what ambu gives you every month.

That too but I was thinking mythic because of the cost I'm familiar with off the top of my head.

I have a multiboxer in my LS and I know how many mats he farms up. He's able to do VD fights with ease having 4 mules with remas.
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By Odin.Creaucent 2023-01-06 14:17:27
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You dont need a credit card nor massive amounts of cash... just time! You can farm everything for free.

Realistically, how long do you think it will take a casual person to farm up 30000 alex and 10000 beitetsu, single boxing since the nerf to sparks?

Like i said its just time, they will eventually get it done. Even with the sparks nerf the game still throws money at you with Odyssey and Ambu.
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By Mattelot 2023-01-06 14:27:42
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You dont need a credit card nor massive amounts of cash... just time! You can farm everything for free.

Realistically, how long do you think it will take a casual person to farm up 30000 alex and 10000 beitetsu, single boxing since the nerf to sparks?

Like i said its just time, they will eventually get it done. Even with the sparks nerf the game still throws money at you with Odyssey and Ambu.

That’ll still vary because not everyone has a static or can get into ambu groups that can complete. I still see people sit by the entrance npc with their “!” on. And I do ambu for mats to use. A single boxer doing empy mats will need over a year for hmp.

Yeah, it’ll take time but their decisions are restricted. Some need that odyssey Gil for gear.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Jakey 2023-01-06 14:50:32
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If all you need is money keying A or B can be far more profitable in Ody than actual segment farms and done solo.

I think a mistake a lot of people make is thinking they have to farm the buyable mats for their REMA, no just farm whatever you can make money most efficiently on and then buy the mats you need.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2023-01-06 14:54:52
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Regardless of amount of play, the time in hours spent is the same. An informed player has access to infinite easy gil.

Motivation is your limiting factor, and hence the reason people "look for players with a rema" they assume a player who was motivated enough to make a rema is more likely to put more effort into whatever the event is.

They are usually correct in that assumption. Definitely not always though.

A tryhard will always have bis, but bis stuff does not automatically mean you actually try hard.
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By Mattelot 2023-01-06 15:02:34
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I don’t believe anyone has access to infinite gil easily. If they did, rema would be on everyone. Some have static groups for odyssey that only farm C for segments. Even ambu, not everyone can get enough runs each month to get everything they need. Feasibility isn’t the same for everyone.

A casual person who can only play a few hours per week will spend most of their time doing content bud farming. Someone who plays half their day will have feasibility for both.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2023-01-06 15:43:45
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The unlimited gil is available, you have to sacrifice want for need.

Prioritize.
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By Carbuncle.Nynja 2023-01-06 15:52:47
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I'm sorry but what avenue of infinite unlimited gil is available to Johnny "1-box" Casual outside of buying gil? I'm not asking because I'm broke, I have my means of income, however they arent exactly accessible to a legit 1-boxer.
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By Mattelot 2023-01-06 16:02:01
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The unlimited gil is available, you have to sacrifice want for need.

Prioritize.

Yeah I don’t mean to sound confrontational but that sounds ambiguous. If someone only has a couple hours to play a day, they’ll either have to tell their static “sorry, farming” or not farm for content.

Yeah, it’ll take time but not everyone plays this game all day. And people who do like to pretend they don’t. I’ve also dealt with my fair share of credit card heroes who tell others “just git gud”’or something similar. I remember a couple years ago on here some guy who bought his account full of rema who was telling people how easy they are to make.
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By Carbuncle.Nynja 2023-01-06 16:02:54
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The only realistic avenue of "infinite unlimited gil" is sparks. Do you think Johnny Casual is making and remaking and remaking new lv1 mules to farm crystals in gustaberg all day long?
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By Fenrir.Velner 2023-01-06 16:06:42
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Carbuncle.Nynja said: »
I'm sorry but what avenue of infinite unlimited gil is available to Johnny "1-box" Casual outside of buying gil? I'm not asking because I'm broke, I have my means of income, however they arent exactly accessible to a legit 1-boxer.

Johnny 1-Box can do Odyssey(either segments with a group or chest picking solo) and Omen daily for decent gil. He can turn in his Sparks and Accolades weekly. He can participate in Dynamis-D twice per week. Ambuscade. Take full advantage of campaigns like HTBF, Delve, Voidwatch. All of that combined with not expecting to get a REMA instantly by buying gil is a recipe for success.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2023-01-06 16:08:13
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You guys are conflating infinite at once and infinite access

Everytime you log in, you have access to easy gil. 24 salvages, and omen an odyssey box run, a unm set, a few mercs, Ambu (N)

Yes that means not doing other things in their place. (How motivated are you)
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By Mattelot 2023-01-06 16:15:25
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You guys are conflating infinite at once and infinite access

Everytime you log in, you have access to easy gil. 24 salvages, and omen an odyssey box run, a unm set, a few mercs, Ambu (N)

Yes that means not doing other things in their place. (How motivated are you)

It’s not always about motivation as it is feasibility. Again, not everyone can play this game all day.
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By Nariont 2023-01-06 16:20:20
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And the person with less time will make less, theres still plenty of daily avenues to making money that dont require anything more than what amounts to an ambu set of gear. Job depending in case johnny here only plays whm in which case hell need to pick up a different job.
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By Bahamut.Celebrindal 2023-01-06 16:22:37
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Mattelot said: »
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You guys are conflating infinite at once and infinite access

Everytime you log in, you have access to easy gil. 24 salvages, and omen an odyssey box run, a unm set, a few mercs, Ambu (N)

Yes that means not doing other things in their place. (How motivated are you)

It’s not always about motivation as it is feasibility. Again, not everyone can play this game all day.

I'm not sure how many more nice ways are left to say it. Its not about playing the game all day, its about how you spend the time you do have. If you think you have no time to make gil because you're just so busy with events, stop doing events for 3 months and build up a warchest. Oh....people don't want to do that because they'll fall behind? Guess what, its a decision to make, so live with the results in either direction.
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By Mattelot 2023-01-06 16:27:10
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Bahamut.Celebrindal said: »
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You guys are conflating infinite at once and infinite access

Everytime you log in, you have access to easy gil. 24 salvages, and omen an odyssey box run, a unm set, a few mercs, Ambu (N)

Yes that means not doing other things in their place. (How motivated are you)

It’s not always about motivation as it is feasibility. Again, not everyone can play this game all day.

I'm not sure how many more nice ways are left to say it. Its not about playing the game all day, its about how you spend the time you do have. If you think you have no time to make gil because you're just so busy with events, stop doing events for 3 months and build up a warchest. Oh....people don't want to do that because they'll fall behind? Guess what, its a decision to make, so live with the results in either direction.

You’re completely missing the point. Feasibility. Yes, people have decisions they need to make but be “inadequate” to social standards to farm (and that’s even if you can get into some groups to farm). You’re thinking purely in the aspect of capability.

I can make a million dollars flipping burgers but is that practical? It’s easy to say when you play all day.
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By Bahamut.Celebrindal 2023-01-06 16:28:56
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just. Wow.
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By Mattelot 2023-01-06 16:33:57
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That was kinda my thought too but do we really wanna go there? Aren’t we more mature than that?
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By Carbuncle.Nynja 2023-01-06 16:37:30
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I think some of these cats missing how we got here
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Realistically, how long do you think it will take a casual person to farm up 30000 alex and 10000 beitetsu, single boxing since the nerf to sparks?

Eiryl's answer to that was "theres infinite unlimited gil". So I'm going to presume the answer to the original question is either a number (less than 10) of days or weeks, not months.
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By Bahamut.Negan 2023-01-06 16:37:51
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Mattelot said: »
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By Mattelot 2023-01-06 16:43:06
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Hey, they deserve their $25 an hour like everyone else!
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By Carbuncle.Nynja 2023-01-06 17:10:26
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See, even McDonald's is botting.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2023-01-06 17:11:49
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Automation is inevitable.
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