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By Carbuncle.Nynja 2023-01-05 10:00:00
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Bahamut.Ninakira said: »
Weren't you the one telling her to... move on? I see you're still stuck on it and it probably kept you up at night. Funny how a video game works, also, just so you know, a quick look un google: "Nynja ffxi" takes people to your Facebook profile. Maybe look into that.


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By Carbuncle.Nynja 2023-01-05 10:03:23
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Asura.Eiryl said: »
There's a whole spreadsheet with gilgamesh irl names matching players

And links to sources, where you out yourselves

For what it's worth

(No I'm not going to link it, cause that's a no-no, but I reply to messages)
Oof, found it.
Whoever made this is creepy as ***.

Younger me was dumb with e-security :( And it was a nice realization to re-check all my facebook privacy settings, since stuff that I know I had set to private had been changed to public.
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By Odin.Creaucent 2023-01-05 10:09:55
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75 era bred quite the toxic atmosphere especially when paid claim bots were rampant. Groups would openly try and cause another group to wipe by cure bombing the person with enmity while stood behind the wyrm. It makes you wonder why they didn't have a warp feature like we have now in DI way back then.

Now these people are running private servers just for the feeling of causing a wipe again and again and again and nothing can be done about it.

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The general sentiment around needing a REMA is if you haven't taken the time to do that, what else haven't you done for your jobs?

It's unfair but most people don't like letting strangers leech.
Well it depends because all remas aint good. So what if you made a mandau for your rdm can you enfeeble the boss? So many people have rema in this game and yet so many don't know how to use them or have useless ones trying to force them into being good. I get your point don't get me wrong but hundreds of million don't just drop into everyone's pockets. Also idris and epeo no matter how much money you got take 6 months.

Edit: Also im not posting as to have every answer btw just wanted to put that out there

While I agree that some REMA are "useless" compared to rank15 top weapons they are more often than not better than most 119 options apart from BRD. Durdurharp and Honor March bring so much that a BRD without them is pretty much useless and while Carn is a very useful weapon its not as much as a must have as the instruments.

Most people will have enough time to knock out a REMA and farm the 119 stages so there isn't really an excuse not to do it anymore.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2023-01-05 10:14:54
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If you're shouting for content it's likely you aren't doing v25/VD ambus/top tier content that requires capped characters armed to the teeth.

If you invite someone and they aren't pulling their weight adjust or boot. The idea that you need capped weapons for content that's been on farm status for years especially with master levels in play is a good way for the game to end up dead.
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By Bahamut.Justthetip 2023-01-05 10:16:10
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Odin.Creaucent said: »
75 era bred quite the toxic atmosphere especially when paid claim bots were rampant. Groups would openly try and cause another group to wipe by cure bombing the person with enmity while stood behind the wyrm. It makes you wonder why they didn't have a warp feature like we have now in DI way back then.

Now these people are running private servers just for the feeling of causing a wipe again and again and again and nothing can be done about it.

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Phoenix.Iocus said: »
The general sentiment around needing a REMA is if you haven't taken the time to do that, what else haven't you done for your jobs?

It's unfair but most people don't like letting strangers leech.
Well it depends because all remas aint good. So what if you made a mandau for your rdm can you enfeeble the boss? So many people have rema in this game and yet so many don't know how to use them or have useless ones trying to force them into being good. I get your point don't get me wrong but hundreds of million don't just drop into everyone's pockets. Also idris and epeo no matter how much money you got take 6 months.

Edit: Also im not posting as to have every answer btw just wanted to put that out there

While I agree that some REMA are "useless" compared to rank15 top weapons they are more often than not better than most 119 options apart from BRD. Durdurharp and Honor March bring so much that a BRD without them is pretty much useless and while Carn is a very useful weapon its not as much as a must have as the instruments.

Most people will have enough time to knock out a REMA and farm the 119 stages so there isn't really an excuse not to do it anymore.
Yes I agree with this statement to a point but yea I was just calling out random weapon like relics aren't useful for the most part outside of pld bard rng for gun. I personally would rather the person have gear than to just be full on braindead go rema or bust with bad gear thrown together.
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By Asura.Melliny 2023-01-05 10:20:25
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If you're shouting for content it's likely you aren't doing v25/VD ambus/top tier content that requires capped characters armed to the teeth.

You can't possibly be serious grouping VD ambuscade in the same category as V25 oddy NM's.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2023-01-05 10:22:50
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Meh. Some of the VD are as hard as or harder than T1 and T2 V25s

But that's not the point. Players want it regardless of actual usefulness.

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By Bahamut.Justthetip 2023-01-05 10:25:10
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Asura.Melliny said: »
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If you're shouting for content it's likely you aren't doing v25/VD ambus/top tier content that requires capped characters armed to the teeth.

You can't possibly be serious grouping VD ambuscade in the same category as V25 oddy NM's.
Listen here some of these players think if a ambu can't be beat on vd in under 3 mins it's hard and annoying. I tbh kinda like the longer fights but hate ambu as a whole tbh.

Edit: Sorry for gotta to add it's gonna be savage Blade friendly also.
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By Rooks 2023-01-05 10:26:25
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Asura.Eiryl said: »
There's a whole spreadsheet with gilgamesh irl names matching players

And links to sources, where you out yourselves

For what it's worth

(No I'm not going to link it, cause that's a no-no, but I reply to messages)

Broadly speaking I do not police what goes on in PMs.

I would make an exception for this. Leave people's RL identities alone.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2023-01-05 10:28:20
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He already found it himself anyway, so no need
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By Asura.Melliny 2023-01-05 10:28:24
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There are very few VD ambuscades that I would shy away from in a pickup. It's ironic that moogles is coming up because that happens to be one of the like... 2 or 3 I try to avoid. But every other month is pretty darn easy. V25 Oddy nms are on an entirely different tier from everything else in the game. Even Tier 3 V20s are still way tougher than everything else. You can shout for a pickup seg farm and expect 8-10k average most days or shout for a PUG sortie and expect 20-25k galla pretty reliably. But veng 25 oddy NM's, especially the tier 3's.... nothing else even holds a candle to them.
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By RadialArcana 2023-01-05 10:30:51
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Mattelot said: »
Asura.Eiryl said: »
There's a whole spreadsheet with gilgamesh irl names matching players

And links to sources, where you out yourselves

For what it's worth

(No I'm not going to link it, cause that's a no-no, but I reply to messages)

Why would someone need this?

I know the real names of a few people who play only because they've posted screen snips of their Facebook posts on Discord but to compile a spreadsheet for it? What's the purpose?

It's fine seeing pics of what players look like. Anyone remember that ffxi players website years ago where people posted their pics? It was pretty neat back then outside of 1 guy who was not but only looked islam and was getting harassed over it. I thought that was weird and crude.

Some take online arguments really seriously, and hold a grudge f o r e v e r. It's still weird to me that's the case.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2023-01-05 10:31:04
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Asura.Melliny said: »
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If you're shouting for content it's likely you aren't doing v25/VD ambus/top tier content that requires capped characters armed to the teeth.

You can't possibly be serious grouping VD ambuscade in the same category as V25 oddy NM's.

I'm grouping them as content where if you aren't properly geared you're likely to wipe. They aren't being compared to eachother outside of being "content people will be likely to want to do".
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By Bahamut.Justthetip 2023-01-05 11:00:31
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RadialArcana said: »
Mattelot said: »
Asura.Eiryl said: »
There's a whole spreadsheet with gilgamesh irl names matching players

And links to sources, where you out yourselves

For what it's worth

(No I'm not going to link it, cause that's a no-no, but I reply to messages)

Why would someone need this?

I know the real names of a few people who play only because they've posted screen snips of their Facebook posts on Discord but to compile a spreadsheet for it? What's the purpose?

It's fine seeing pics of what players look like. Anyone remember that ffxi players website years ago where people posted their pics? It was pretty neat back then outside of 1 guy who was not but only looked islam and was getting harassed over it. I thought that was weird and crude.

Some take online arguments really seriously, and hold a grudge f o r e v e r. It's still weird to me that's the case.
It seems so so much so that people name call and stuff to be disrespectful over losing an argument online its always been weird to me. Take the l and move on with the day. Also in the same way maybe the person has made so many enemies that he himself is the problem ?
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By Mattelot 2023-01-05 11:12:10
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RadialArcana said: »
Some take online arguments really seriously, and hold a grudge f o r e v e r. It's still weird to me that's the case.

I mean, I get that as I've had people hold weird grudges on me before... even over the stupidest ***. There are a couple people on this forum who disagreed with me on 1 single topic out of the thousand topics made and for over a year, would not let it go (probably still haven't). They would take pot shots at me or disagree with anything I said in any other thread. Not because they actually disagreed but it was me who said it. Or if someone said something that even remotely sounded against me, you would guaranteed see them in the likes.

Yeah, that's all extremely childish but going as far as to dox someone? Back in 2004 or 2005, there was a girl on my server who sent her semi nudes to a couple guys who then began leaking them to others. I cannot imagine getting so mad at someone in a freaking video game that you have to take things to real life to feel better.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2023-01-05 12:07:32
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I cannot imagine getting so mad at someone in a freaking video game that you have to take things to real life to feel better.

When vidja games are your whole personality an attack in that game might as well be a real punch in the gut.
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Mattelot said: »
Asura.Eiryl said: »
There's a whole spreadsheet with gilgamesh irl names matching players

And links to sources, where you out yourselves

For what it's worth

(No I'm not going to link it, cause that's a no-no, but I reply to messages)

Why would someone need this?

I know the real names of a few people who play only because they've posted screen snips of their Facebook posts on Discord but to compile a spreadsheet for it? What's the purpose?

It's fine seeing pics of what players look like. Anyone remember that ffxi players website years ago where people posted their pics? It was pretty neat back then outside of 1 guy who was not but only looked islam and was getting harassed over it. I thought that was weird and crude.

some people take the game a bit too seriously.

a lot of people exist to try and shame others and ruin them. it's sad really and there are a lot of examples of it in the ffxi community(s)
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By Mattelot 2023-01-05 12:48:48
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it's sad really and there are a lot of examples of it in the ffxi community(s)

Preaching to the choir here. I've seen plenty on this forum, Allakhazam and KI.

That's one of the cons to closer communities... we have more of those problems. Games like WoW where everyone is a face in the crowd, you could go on the forums and say "Joeblow819 lives at XXX Street, etc" and literally nobody would give 2 craps. Trying to dox someone there is a complete waste of time. In communities where people are known...
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By Carbuncle.Nynja 2023-01-05 12:50:51
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Mattelot said: »
I mean, I get that as I've had people hold weird grudges on me before... even over the stupidest ***. There are a couple people on this forum who disagreed with me on 1 single topic out of the thousand topics made and for over a year, would not let it go (probably still haven't). They would take pot shots at me or disagree with anything I said in any other thread. Not because they actually disagreed but it was me who said it. Or if someone said something that even remotely sounded against me, you would guaranteed see them in the likes.

Yeah, that's all extremely childish but going as far as to dox someone? Back in 2004 or 2005, there was a girl on my server who sent her semi nudes to a couple guys who then began leaking them to others. I cannot imagine getting so mad at someone in a freaking video game that you have to take things to real life to feel better.
Two days ago, I would have casted some doubt on that and say you exaggerating, but hot damn I woulda been wrong as all hell. Yesterday I found out I'm on Bahamut's Most Wanted list (a server I never even played on) due to a 12++ year old grudge from someone I dont even know, and today I find out theres a whole entire doxx list someone compiled from all the FFXI players on Gilgamesh, a server that was shut down over 10 years ago.

Tomorrow I find out I have a baby out there somewhere, with someone who played FFXI of course:
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By GetHelpNerd 2023-01-05 12:55:56
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not to mention you've got spicyroy on new years eve over on BG trying to shame "real players that are bots" and specifically not add any of the RMT galka gustaberg bots to the "list"

got some truly pathetic ffxi players
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By Bahamut.Justthetip 2023-01-05 14:34:25
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Carbuncle.Nynja said: »
Mattelot said: »
I mean, I get that as I've had people hold weird grudges on me before... even over the stupidest ***. There are a couple people on this forum who disagreed with me on 1 single topic out of the thousand topics made and for over a year, would not let it go (probably still haven't). They would take pot shots at me or disagree with anything I said in any other thread. Not because they actually disagreed but it was me who said it. Or if someone said something that even remotely sounded against me, you would guaranteed see them in the likes.

Yeah, that's all extremely childish but going as far as to dox someone? Back in 2004 or 2005, there was a girl on my server who sent her semi nudes to a couple guys who then began leaking them to others. I cannot imagine getting so mad at someone in a freaking video game that you have to take things to real life to feel better.
Two days ago, I would have casted some doubt on that and say you exaggerating, but hot damn I woulda been wrong as all hell. Yesterday I found out I'm on Bahamut's Most Wanted list (a server I never even played on) due to a 12++ year old grudge from someone I dont even know, and today I find out theres a whole entire doxx list someone compiled from all the FFXI players on Gilgamesh, a server that was shut down over 10 years ago.

Tomorrow I find out I have a baby out there somewhere, with someone who played FFXI of course:
My god this guy is still on it lol noone on bahamut knows you or cares about you tbh. Just people know you openly cheat is all get off the horse of poor me everyone targeting me. Some know of the drama from Carbuncle past as you guys had a whole reddit post about it. On top of that noone is doxing you either you don't know what the word means or don't understand it. 10 years ago players had backbone and could back up talk but again calling a female a *** on here is about the only thing they seem to be good for I guess.
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By Bahamut.Justthetip 2023-01-05 14:37:30
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Mattelot said: »
GetHelpNerd said: »
it's sad really and there are a lot of examples of it in the ffxi community(s)

Preaching to the choir here. I've seen plenty on this forum, Allakhazam and KI.

That's one of the cons to closer communities... we have more of those problems. Games like WoW where everyone is a face in the crowd, you could go on the forums and say "Joeblow819 lives at XXX Street, etc" and literally nobody would give 2 craps. Trying to dox someone there is a complete waste of time. In communities where people are known...
Also that's the thing people seem to think they getting dox and targeted but when you seem to add irl friends on Facebook(seen in firs hand on this site) and stuff then you trash them I guess they let you know who the person really is. All about showing respect it goes both ways people show disrespect then expect to be shown respect.
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By Bahamut.Negan 2023-01-05 14:49:50
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Bahamut.Justthetip said: »
people show disrespect then expect to be shown respect.
So true! Well said.
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By Bahamut.Justthetip 2023-01-05 14:55:34
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Bahamut.Negan said: »
Bahamut.Justthetip said: »
people show disrespect then expect to be shown respect.
So true! Well said.
I love you negan lol. Like Im not coming at the guy or anything just stop trying act like a victim when you got called out for stuff that you've done.

how do people feel about a semi revamp of voidwalker/voidwatch with newer mobs in newer zones? Like I know its not new new but it could be fine again personal pool getting groups together stacking up kis. Maybe too late as gear maybe almost done being added to the game?
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how do people feel about a semi revamp of voidwalker/voidwatch with newer mobs in newer zones? Like I know its not new new but it could be fine again personal pool getting groups together stacking up kis. Maybe too late as gear maybe almost done being added to the game?

Wouldnt mind it, New-VW is probably the simplist thing they could add, could even use the same pop areas just have a different mob be selectable, and itd give people a reason to use their stones beyond whenever the lights camp rolls around and completely manually burn through those 500+ stones, yup.

Just please, less trash, i know its to pad out the fact you could spam 10's of hundreds of these in a day but i really dont want log/matwatch 2.0
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By Bahamut.Justthetip 2023-01-05 15:34:59
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Bahamut.Justthetip said: »
how do people feel about a semi revamp of voidwalker/voidwatch with newer mobs in newer zones? Like I know its not new new but it could be fine again personal pool getting groups together stacking up kis. Maybe too late as gear maybe almost done being added to the game?

Wouldnt mind it, New-VW is probably the simplist thing they could add, could even use the same pop areas just have a different mob be selectable, and itd give people a reason to use their stones beyond whenever the lights camp rolls around and completely manually burn through those 500+ stones, yup.

Just please, less trash, i know its to pad out the fact you could spam 10's of hundreds of these in a day but i really dont want log/matwatch 2.0
I'm all for this idea and yes no more *** trash filling up the inventory. Doesn't have to be top drops just something worth it maybe another way to get omen cards or some ***would be cool. Maybe items for job abilities or something cool hell give me lockstyle pieces!!
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By Asura.Neojuggernautx 2023-01-05 18:08:19
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Bahamut.Justthetip said: »
Nariont said: »
Bahamut.Justthetip said: »
how do people feel about a semi revamp of voidwalker/voidwatch with newer mobs in newer zones? Like I know its not new new but it could be fine again personal pool getting groups together stacking up kis. Maybe too late as gear maybe almost done being added to the game?

Wouldnt mind it, New-VW is probably the simplist thing they could add, could even use the same pop areas just have a different mob be selectable, and itd give people a reason to use their stones beyond whenever the lights camp rolls around and completely manually burn through those 500+ stones, yup.

Just please, less trash, i know its to pad out the fact you could spam 10's of hundreds of these in a day but i really dont want log/matwatch 2.0
I'm all for this idea and yes no more *** trash filling up the inventory. Doesn't have to be top drops just something worth it maybe another way to get omen cards or some ***would be cool. Maybe items for job abilities or something cool hell give me lockstyle pieces!!

And please no more nq cursed pieces as my HQ drop slot!!!
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By Phoenix.Iocus 2023-01-05 20:00:13
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The general sentiment around needing a REMA is if you haven't taken the time to do that, what else haven't you done for your jobs?

It's unfair but most people don't like letting strangers leech.

A person can check another person's gear to see if they meet their personal, made-up criteria for content. Not really much else you can wonder about what they have or have not done.

And unless the person is literally standing there doing absolutely nothing at all, they're not really leeching. People love to call others leeches because they're not outputting the same numbers they are or people love claiming they carried someone when most of the time, they didn't. They just like to say so to try condescending others and project the illusion that they're elite or "better" than someone else. You can easily see what you're getting into before you enter something. If you join a PUG, you get whatever the dice roll.

If you don't have a decent weapon, what's the likelihood that you have DT or M.EVA in your casting sets? Or any sets at all? The guide only had sets for TPing and WS so that's all I made!

I don't enjoy raising people when they are getting hit 2 or 3 times harder than me. And what's the point after people are double weak. If we finish content and I stayed up the entire time and dragged it over the finish line while other people ate floor pizza for most of the fight, how is that not leeching?
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By Mattelot 2023-01-06 03:48:53
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Phoenix.Iocus said: »
Mattelot said: »
Phoenix.Iocus said: »
The general sentiment around needing a REMA is if you haven't taken the time to do that, what else haven't you done for your jobs?

It's unfair but most people don't like letting strangers leech.

A person can check another person's gear to see if they meet their personal, made-up criteria for content. Not really much else you can wonder about what they have or have not done.

And unless the person is literally standing there doing absolutely nothing at all, they're not really leeching. People love to call others leeches because they're not outputting the same numbers they are or people love claiming they carried someone when most of the time, they didn't. They just like to say so to try condescending others and project the illusion that they're elite or "better" than someone else. You can easily see what you're getting into before you enter something. If you join a PUG, you get whatever the dice roll.

If you don't have a decent weapon, what's the likelihood that you have DT or M.EVA in your casting sets? Or any sets at all? The guide only had sets for TPing and WS so that's all I made!

I don't enjoy raising people when they are getting hit 2 or 3 times harder than me. And what's the point after people are double weak. If we finish content and I stayed up the entire time and dragged it over the finish line while other people ate floor pizza for most of the fight, how is that not leeching?

Plenty of people have idle sets and no rema. I don’t even see how those two correlate. Just because I don’t own a Lamborghini doesn’t mean I live in a cardboard box.

Plus, not only could you examine someone to see if they have an idle set but you could very easily ask them. And again, unless they were standing there the whole time doing nothing but following, they’re not leeching. What you described is subjective. I’ve been in content where someone out-geared me but died more than I did. I can’t go claiming I carried them. Various content has various variables that could come into play. I could “leech” and stay back in a boss while everyone else barely makes it, run in and fire off cooldowns to finish it then claim I carried them.
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