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Asura.Lunafreya said: » I was purposely going to make one and leave it at Kaja level because the stp->multi attack on Hachimonji is actually terrible, especially with hoxne now. I’ll report back how it works out. That is a fantastic idea that I never thought of. It works especially well in Sortie as NIN/DRK too, since you get JA Haste with Last Resort's Desperate Blows, so TP Gain isn't terrible with a GKT (/DRK also has a higher PDL trait than NIN main, and Smite helps a bit too). Nice! Lakshmi.Buukki said: » Asura.Lunafreya said: » I was purposely going to make one and leave it at Kaja level because the stp->multi attack on Hachimonji is actually terrible, especially with hoxne now. I’ll report back how it works out. That is a fantastic idea that I never thought of. It works especially well in Sortie as NIN/DRK too, since you get JA Haste with Last Resort's Desperate Blows, so TP Gain isn't terrible with a GKT (/DRK also has a higher PDL trait than NIN main, and Smite helps a bit too). Nice! No need to Kaja if you're gonna be using Hoxne. Shout out Nariont who correctly informed me that the STP > multi-attack conversion (which causes the base TP/hit to be set in stone at 127/hit) only takes place if the MA procs. Hoxne takes precedence so you don't get the super low TP/hit with hoxne active. Just tested it and was getting 224/hit using Hachimonji with Hoxne going in my normal NIN engaged set. Saved me some ambu currency, Nari!
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Caitsith.Sepo said: » But with an additional condition: After clearing all of the above, defeat any mob that is the same as the mobs that appear in the first rooms of each basement sector. We do the basement aurum daily, and pretty sure the additional condition is just at least one blue chest in each basement. If the last blue chest is spawned from a mob kill they spawn together, if you do one that doesn't need a kill it will spawn after the killing the required mobs or an additional one if they were already killed before. Asura.Lunafreya said: » Looking for anecdotes on NIN hybrid dmg in sortie. I’ve never had the opportunity to bring NIN in there with proper brd/cor/geo buffs but, I imagine Chi does quite well on AE. Has anyone tried ambu GKT Kagero on CG? We spent a few nights wedging NIN into our line-up, in place of DNC. We also tried MNK and NIN combo but Yurin seems to over write penance and led to a wipe on Aminon. NIN does very well in 8/8 abusing Hybrids with Ampulla.
NIN however, falls WAY behind on Aminon. Just not enough juice. Our NIN (Lunafreya) engaged during SP2 and then tried stacking DW with Gokotai. It was a fun experiment. Next we are doing BLU MT, hoping to try it tonight.
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COME ON BLU !!!!!!!! GET ME OFF PALADIN!~
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No reason it won't work. You got Scoat Mbarrier Wwind and good enough enmity gear.
Asura.Eiryl said: » No reason it won't work. You got Scoat Mbarrier Wwind and good enough enmity gear. If the BLU has to sit there for a minute to build hate well probably should of just used the PLD anyway Taint said: » We spent a few nights wedging NIN into our line-up, in place of DNC. We also tried MNK and NIN combo but Yurin seems to over write penance and led to a wipe on Aminon. NIN does very well in 8/8 abusing Hybrids with Ampulla. NIN however, falls WAY behind on Aminon. Just not enough juice. Our NIN (Lunafreya) engaged during SP2 and then tried stacking DW with Gokotai. It was a fun experiment. Next we are doing BLU MT, hoping to try it tonight. DH - zesho unless he’s weak to earth/water/ice, otherwise use the corresponding hybrid. Zesho did just fine even on H though, around 75-80k average (stage 5). TP gain rate was excellent with ampulla and a triple attack/store TP based engaged set. If H TPs and it’s the right element, go with hybrid. I was 99king Chi’s without even switching off of Dokoku/hitaki. AE - blade chi, ask for earth thren. Easy 99ks. BF - same thing, chi for thunder hand, To for wind. Ask brd for the appropriate threnody. CG - Hachimonji with ampulla active is really good TP gain. Ampulla negates the undesired “converts STP to multi-attack” property so you’re actually using a really nice great katana on ninja for hybrids. Kagero is easy 99ks on C. G is harder..need frazzle and fire threnody and even then you get a few resists. Funny enough G is the one that gave me the most trouble. One correction to Taint’s post…on Ami we had crooked 11 tact and a lucky Miser so I didn’t bother with the 100 tp regain Gokotai build…just sat in a max STP/regal gloves set with Dokoku/Hitaki and frontier sodas. Subbed DRK so we didn’t have box step which I think was the biggest problem. Would like to try that with /DNC sometime and see if it makes a difference but kill speed was reallllly slow, especially compared to DNC. Was still hella fun. Also, I’m not convinced that Yurin and penance overwrite each other. Still need more testing on that…we had a lot of weird things happen on that attempt and TP was high before we applied Yurin to Aminon. Taint said: » NIN does very well in 8/8 abusing Hybrids with Ampulla. Yeah I mentioned this a while ago but nobody cares about NIN xD Taint said: » NIN however, falls WAY behind on Aminon. Just not enough juice. This is how I predicted it would go. NIN has no exploitable SP or max deeps WS to use there. Savage is it's best one, but it clashes with BRD/COR. Zesho is cool but I just never see the output compared to other WS, even with all-the-buffs. Even still, that's not totally the issue because you can Hoxne and get some more mileage from ws. Problm is how are you getting TP without feeding it. Mikage is fine for Chainspell, but its a short duration. Penance won't stack with Yurin sadly. Gokotai IMO is too weak, because it relies on Blade: Ten for damage, as Ku is terrible. You can't Hybrid Aminon either unless you lock him into an element, but then you can't absorb him either. NIN/DRK pairs fabulously together, but nothing NIN can output on Aminon can compare to Grand Pas/FW+TK/Hoxne. Did you try using Blade: Ei? It's not a hybrid WS, but it is Dark Element. IDK how Leaden damage is (probably terrible), so Ei is probably bad anyways. I couldn't figure out how to bring NIN in 9B without severely slowing down the kill speed, and I thought about it a lot. 8b is another story (IMO its great if you ignore using shadows) Asura.Lunafreya said: » Also, I’m not convinced that Yurin and penance overwrite each other. Still need more testing on that It's the same "Inhibit TP" effect, so I think only one source can stack. Easy Ballista test, though Lakshmi.Buukki said: » Taint said: » NIN does very well in 8/8 abusing Hybrids with Ampulla. Yeah I mentioned this a while ago but nobody cares about NIN xD Taint said: » NIN however, falls WAY behind on Aminon. Just not enough juice. This is how I predicted it would go. NIN has no exploitable SP or max deeps WS to use there. Savage is it's best one, but it clashes with BRD/COR. Zesho is cool but I just never see the output compared to other WS, even with all-the-buffs. Even still, that's not totally the issue because you can Hoxne and get some more mileage from ws. Problm is how are you getting TP without feeding it. Mikage is fine for Chainspell, but its a short duration. Penance won't stack with Yurin sadly. Gokotai IMO is too weak, because it relies on Blade: Ten for damage, as Ku is terrible. You can't Hybrid Aminon either unless you lock him into an element, but then you can't absorb him either. NIN/DRK pairs fabulously together, but nothing NIN can output on Aminon can compare to Grand Pas/FW+TK/Hoxne. Did you try using Blade: Ei? It's not a hybrid WS, but it is Dark Element. IDK how Leaden damage is (probably terrible), so Ei is probably bad anyways. I couldn't figure out how to bring NIN in 9B without severely slowing down the kill speed, and I thought about it a lot. 8b is another story (IMO its great if you ignore using shadows) I knew NIN would do well on the 8, but was pleasantly surprised at how well it did other than the G struggle. Not expecting the masses to get on board but, if you’re running a pick up 8 boss, would be dumb to reject a NIN (so long they know what they’re doing). Didn’t try blade: ei on Aminon. I highly doubt it does much of anything. Asura.Lunafreya said: » if you’re running a pick up 8 boss, would be dumb to reject a NIN Sadly, I doubt they will pick up a NIN over SAM or DRK, or even WAR. Yaegesumi, Soul Enslavement, Warcry and Tomahawk are really good equalizers for PUGs on Aita/Degei zerg that give them the needed edge to clear. Especially DRK with Ampulla and self-heal with Origin. I told several PUGs I will come NIN and almost got kicked from the group xD. NIN suffers the same fate in that it has no exploitable JA it can use in zergs. Now if you're playing with friends and want a fun option, NIN is great. Just disregard shadows entirely and spam hybrids at high effective TP for 90k+ WS. Even for Aminon, its Grand Pas, or Footwork/TK (Penance) or Origin+absorbs if with DNC, MNK, or DRK strat. Those abilities are too good to pass on. Same issue with NIN in segs really. Such a fun job with amazing damage (shadows are very helpful here), but too much tunnel vision on the meta for anyone else to think outside the box, so NIN suffers from the same job stigma others do, just worse.
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You can bring any job you want to segs or Sortie 8-boss if you want. This isn't news at all. The (potential) 9-boss is the only thing that would be new.
The reason people don't take random people they don't know into their PUGs on random jobs is because there's more uncertainty about their performance and an extra layer of inefficiency. I don't support that behavior, but it's been well-known for decades. It's not a problem with the mechanics of the game or the jobs, it's a social problem.
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Carbuncle.Maletaru said: » You can bring any job you want to segs or Sortie 8-boss if you want. This isn't news at all. The (potential) 9-boss is the only thing that would be new. The reason people don't take random people they don't know into their PUGs on random jobs is because there's more uncertainty about their performance and an extra layer of inefficiency. I don't support that behavior, but it's been well-known for decades. It's not a problem with the mechanics of the game or the jobs, it's a social problem. I agree wholeheartedly, but I am now conditioned to be distrusting and sometimes even unwilling to waste my daily tags on people I don't know. Please allow me to share a list of what random, unscrupulous people have done when invited into PUGs. I genuinely try to give everyone a chance, but this is the comedy of errors I've experienced in just 2026. Grab a drink, bring some popcorn, and let me know which one is your favorite: Odyssey/Sheol C:
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Felgarr said: » Carbuncle.Maletaru said: » You can bring any job you want to segs or Sortie 8-boss if you want. This isn't news at all. The (potential) 9-boss is the only thing that would be new. The reason people don't take random people they don't know into their PUGs on random jobs is because there's more uncertainty about their performance and an extra layer of inefficiency. I don't support that behavior, but it's been well-known for decades. It's not a problem with the mechanics of the game or the jobs, it's a social problem. I agree wholeheartedly, but I am now conditioned to be distrusting and sometimes even unwilling to waste my daily tags on people I don't know. Please allow me to share a list of what random, unscrupulous people have done when invited into PUGs. I genuinely try to give everyone a chance, but this is the comedy of errors I've experienced in just 2026. Grab a drink, bring some popcorn, and let me know which one is your favorite: Odyssey/Sheol C:
This is the sad truth, unfortunately this outlook on “the general player base” although it’s accurate a lot of the time it makes it so hard for the players who are somewhat decent to join PUGs. I’ve not been on other servers but I think this mentality is particularly noticeable on larger servers like Asura. The yells for PUGs are always after BiS players (which as you have personal experiences, means absolutely nothing because a large portion of the player base achieve BIs through mercs). They are pretty adamant on not steering away from the META as well. I personally wanted to join 9BOSS groups as tank but didn’t have PLD leveled so after months of being told no I had to make my own group (not that I mind, I enjoy the guys I run with now on a daily basis). Thankfully there are still some open minded players but like Felgar said he has had so many shitty experiences he find it hard to trust people who doesn’t know… and who blames him. Just makes the PuG community a pretty harsh environment.
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Maybe you should vet your pugs better. Have them fill out an application or do a survey and upload their luas. Hypervole obviously. But basically anytime you have a bad pug it usually means you just assumed they knew what they were doing. Ask them more questions and guide them instead of ridiculing them after and you would be much more successful with random players.
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Fair point but I mean the flip side of that is, as a random you are joining a group doing X objective, and you don’t know what to do…maybe ask? Or look it up before hand? It’s 2026 it’s not like we are 15 year olds playing this game anymore lol grown *** adults…get your ***together or at least make an attempt.
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Lakshmi.Buukki said: » Asura.Lunafreya said: » if you’re running a pick up 8 boss, would be dumb to reject a NIN Sadly, I doubt they will pick up a NIN over SAM or DRK, or even WAR. Same issue with NIN in segs really. Yea of course, I didn’t mean that NIN is preferred over those jobs you mentioned but if you are 5/6 and trying to fill and a NIN is available (again, who knows what they’re doing), it’s really just fine to fill that slot. Agree that 95% of groups would scoff at it though… Damn, it's almost like you can't use being ML50 as a metric for actual capability, who would have thought?
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MOS1991 said: » Thankfully there are still some open minded players but like Felgar said he has had so many shitty experiences he find it hard to trust people who doesn’t know… and who blames him. Just makes the PuG community a pretty harsh environment. You get it, man. Thanks for posting and sharing your experience. Asura.Hya said: » Damn, it's almost like you can't use being ML50 as a metric for actual capability, who would have thought? Going forward, I'll just shout for players with the 'Master of All' title to fill in PUG slots. ;) Asura.Midgitis said: » Maybe you should vet your pugs better. Have them fill out an application or do a survey and upload their luas. Hypervole obviously. But basically anytime you have a bad pug it usually means you just assumed they knew what they were doing. Ask them more questions and guide them instead of ridiculing them after and you would be much more successful with random players. Thanks for your advice on how to run PUGs. Just FYI: the examples I shared, are probably, barely 10-15% of my actual PUG attempts in 2026. The majority of them go quite well, with no complaints or issues and good times are had by all. If you re-read my 2nd bullet point, you can see that I vetted the WHM by checking their Haste duration before entering Sheol C. Clearly, I had to evaluate their Enhancing Duration AND Healing Magic Skill too before entering. (This is also hyperbole). The subtext of my post is that people will mis-represent their alts as main characters, just to get a few quick points....not that I'm surprised by these occurrences. Felgarr said: » The subtext of my post is that people will mis-represent their alts as main characters, just to get a few quick points....not that I'm surprised by these occurrences. This has been common for VD1 Ambu point whoring on mules since as long as I can remember. Buy a single set of healing gear (abjuration or Vanya) and just send them to your Lv99 WHM mules and multiply your ambuscade mat rewards. The content is easy enough that most people won't even notice your 3min haste or slow Curaga (they can just blame lag on not healing fast enough). I don't think people do this with Sortie, though. Maybe in Segs because it's pretty easy to heal there too, and you get like a good mil for 30min of no effort. Asura.Midgitis said: » Maybe you should vet your pugs better. Have them fill out an application or do a survey and upload their luas. Hypervole obviously. But basically anytime you have a bad pug it usually means you just assumed they knew what they were doing. Ask them more questions and guide them instead of ridiculing them after and you would be much more successful with random players. I've had numerous experiences over the past decade of playing on Asura where I directly told people I was new to doing something, told it was no big deal, and then yelled at when I didn't do the thing right. No guidance was offered. I'd looked at guides prior, but it wasn't a replacement for actually going in and seeing it. I was lucky when I was newer that I stumbled into a very helpful (and now sadly dead) linkshell that held my hand through actually learning the game. The pug community on Asura is miserable and I'm fortunate I've got a few friends to play with that don't mind *** up and teaching stuff to the occasional new person. Only downside is I basically have to wait for them to be available to do things. Oh well, more time to work on MR! This reminds me that a few months ago I saw someone, whose name I can't recall, shouting for over an hour or two for a paladin for Sheol C, and then went on a rant about how Asura needs more people to step up and gear paladins so his group can fill and I'm like, great dude, who is going to help these people build those tanks, and learn the content? Certainly not them, sitting there shouting endlessly for Veteran Paladin.
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Asura.Vellamorn said: » This reminds me that a few months ago I saw someone, whose name I can't recall, shouting for over an hour or two for a paladin for Sheol C, and then went on a rant about how Asura needs more people to step up and gear paladins so his group can fill and I'm like, great dude, who is going to help these people build those tanks, and learn the content? Certainly not them, sitting there shouting endlessly for Veteran Paladin.
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I agree with Hya. On Asura, it's totally a reputation thing. I join groups and see the leader shouting looking for a 6th for a while and they can't even fill a common job for something like Sheol C. I send the same shout or ask around in LSs or discords and I can almost always find someone to join us within minutes. Sometimes I need something someone is shouting for, but the name of the person shouting does not inspire much confidence in me at all (or the leader demands it be a very specific setup for no reason other than their personal preference). Some people would just rather their tag lapse and miss out on running to an event, vs wasting it entirely and regretting that unproductive hour or so.
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Lakshmi.Buukki said: » the name of the person shouting does not inspire much confidence in me at all
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Anyone named Sephiroth is the least of my concerns tbh. At least I know what to expect coming in. I didn't literally mean their "name", lol. More like what I already know about whomever. :)
Asura.Vellamorn said: » I've had numerous experiences over the past decade of playing on Asura where I directly told people I was new to doing something, told it was no big deal, and then yelled at when I didn't do the thing right. No guidance was offered. I'd looked at guides prior, but it wasn't a replacement for actually going in and seeing it. I was lucky when I was newer that I stumbled into a very helpful (and now sadly dead) linkshell that held my hand through actually learning the game. Asura.Vellamorn said: » The pug community on Asura is miserable and I'm fortunate I've got a few friends to play with that don't mind *** up and teaching stuff to the occasional new person. Only downside is I basically have to wait for them to be available to do things. Oh well, more time to work on MR! Asura.Vellamorn said: » This reminds me that a few months ago I saw someone, whose name I can't recall, shouting for over an hour or two for a paladin for Sheol C, and then went on a rant about how Asura needs more people to step up and gear paladins so his group can fill and I'm like, great dude, who is going to help these people build those tanks, and learn the content? Certainly not them, sitting there shouting endlessly for Veteran Paladin. I'm actually glad you brought this up. I prefer to play Paladin sitting up and focused, to where I can pull the entirety of Sheol C's Floor 4 without issues. However, there is an unspoken expectation among players who bring a tank and want a full clear. Some folks want a full-clear (and even some random NMs on top of this) and this is called sweaty segs. This is doable, but just because one person in your party says to pull this way, doesn't mean your party is capable of surviving long pulls or large groups. One factor that is often over-looked, is whether or not the Bard can survive the onslaught from a family that is not-tagged by the PLD, but also trying to be slept. Another factor, is the DD's ability to one-shot families before an AoE dispel ability or too many Fluid Spreads go off. So, I've learned to tank for the middle-ground, when people just want to show up, very drunk or high, and plow through content without so much as a word of communication. (I pull 1-2 families at a time, and even 3 families, based on DPS sometimes. However, I also tag everything so there's no chance of a support player getting killed in an awkward situation. The net effect is that you get 10-12k segs, instead of ~13k segs. You might miss 1-2 WSes if you're not paying attention as the last 1-2 mobs run with me to the next family. A competent healer sees this and doesn't hate you and will probably join again the next time you shout. It's always going to be a mixed bag, until we get some tangible ranking system or duty-finder, that actually correlates with the content you want to play or the level of effort that you're willing to expend. Asura.Lunafreya said: » CG - Hachimonji with ampulla active is really good TP gain. Ampulla negates the undesired “converts STP to multi-attack” property so you’re actually using a really nice great katana on ninja for hybrids. Kagero is easy 99ks on C. G is harder..need frazzle and fire threnody and even then you get a few resists. Funny enough G is the one that gave me the most trouble. If you're using GKT on G, better do Koki than Kagero. IME there are fewer resists with light than fire hybrids on G. Should also add more macc to your GKT sets. Metamorph ring and sortie earring +1 (if it has macc) are good swaps.
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