Fixing The MW 3-8 Cashgrab

Ok, so it's not that he would, he literally has stated that about you.

If you want me to go back and quote all the times, I will but I don't want to start a fight. Just trying to say, don't throw stones when you live in a glass house.

This is I was not aware of. I've always operated under the assumption that FFXI didn't get Wow's level of support for 3 reasons.

1. FFXIV is just simply a better money maker, and appeals to a wider audience. It really doesn't make sense from a business perspective to invest in FFXI at this point, and it didn't make sense to even 7-8 years ago.

2. FFXI was designed for consoles, and ported to PC. You can see even in FFXIV the effects of consoles on an MMO.

3. WoW and FFXI simply never had even remotely similar player counts. WoW is Everest, FFXI is just a hill.

You really are something else, man.

so therefore you had to register your ffxiah account to your alt? that makes little to no sense.

still waiting for that linkedin, given the way you shill SE in regards to ff14 and remain silent to their predatory tactics in things like housing i'm guessing you have some vested interest you aren't disclosing

MMOs on consoles are awesome as you'll draw in a much bigger audience. I do not understand why some WoW players are like "wtf no!". It works... FFXIV is proof.

WoW was popular because it was fast-paced and very quickly grew into "huge rewards for little to no effort" which appeal to everyone. Most people do not like to have to put in a bunch of effort for things. It was revolutionary at the time.

WoW released the same year as CoP. Even after that, they still came out with 3 more expansions (and various addons) to where they had the opportunity to tune the engine better.

The account linked to my FFXIAH account is my main account. I'm on an alt playing through stories this past month. This isn't rocket science. Would you like a screenshot from my main account with my playtime, Mr. Butthurt?

I play FFXIV, wait for it....for the stories. As soon as I finish the story, like I did with EW, I unsub. Similar to how I unsub from FFXI every few months for awhile.

I don't shill, I just don't ***, cry, whine, and throw tantrums like a petulant child like you do. Grow up buddy.

You absolutely do, and I think you should do what you think you gotta do.

You need to pick your fights, trying to stir up a crusade against XI trying to stay viable is like trying to start a fist fight with a bouncer when you're drunk as fk.

It won't end well.

I like to argue these things on other places against games that are viable too, but not on XI. What do you think would happen if you managed to encourage 10k XI players to unsubscribe? what do you really think would happen?

no, actually i'd like a picture of your linkedin.

regardless though, a self admitted casual player who constantly unsubs telling people what they should expect from the people who have been here the whole time playing, sounds like you and radial are two peas in a pod. radial didn't you quit for the last 6 years prior to your renewed passion in the game over the last few years?

yeah, shut the *** up.

you seem to defend the predatory monetary practices of SE spanning multiple titles (14 and 11) which are completely unrelated to the story. really sounds like a vested interest


this is the dumbest statement i've ever seen since 99% of the people who have ever played this game have quit it.

you're also seemingly to imply that ffxi will always stay viable when not even a page back you're preaching SE is going to shut it down the second we stop buying wardrobes.

you're a really disingenuous poster, people NEED to call you out because all you post is ***

xiah probably doesn't even have 100 players who read this, it's about public perception and the opinions of the loudest not forcing 10k players to quit

obviously if 10k people unsubscribed, there'd be a strong likelihood the game shuts down, but just the idea that you're arguing in this manner feeds into the thought that you're terrified of the game shutting down

And what is so wrong being worried the game will shut down? A lot of people really love this game.

This is a laughably weak argument.

Not only is it ironic that the guy who plays "casually" is the one who defends the game more than the butthurt full time player that does nothing but complain about the game he's throwing money at, it's hysterical that you can't comprehend I don't defense -any- predatory monetary practices. My FFXIV cost is only the sub. I've never opened their cash shop, I've never taken part in whatever their housing system is. With FFXI, YOU DO NOT HAVE TO BUY THE WARDROBES YOU DENSE, WHINY LITTLE CHILD. Taking months long breaks from their games when I don't think it's worth staying subbed clearly screams "take my money", right Mr. whiny *** petulant child?

if you go bowling every week at the same bowling alley for $15 and they start to charge $25 instead because they added a few lanes you get to complain about it more than the idiot who only goes bowling once a year and didn't notice the price increase.

i'm not sure why you needed this explained you but you seem to really struggle with comprehension so i will do so.

You're implying they raised the price of entry for FFXI because they added additional wardrobes.

That isn't what happened.

You're a *** moron.

Shut the *** up.

wardrobe costs bad but taking into account inflation, buying four wardrobes puts you at the cost of a base FFXI subscription in 2002

How has this thread been left alive? Its toxic and useless. So much whining over an optional add-on.

Yeah, it's a shame when constructive conversation gets side tracked by endless bitching and crying.

The analogy does not work. In the bowling scenario, you must pay $25 or not play at all. In XI you can choose to play at the base price with two wardrobes.

A better analogy would be considering a bowling alley charging you more to play with multiple lanes. Some people will have six players on one lane and pay the base price. Others will choose to split players between lanes and pay the premium so they can spend more time actually bowling.

Of course, that is what's happening here with XI and underscores why the complaining is so unwarranted.

Isn't that every thread on here though?

you and your crew have whined more than anyone else on the topic, as i said before most of the people here are bringing up valid points. you just tend to whine about their valid points because you aren't intelligent enough to come up with a retort outside of calling them entitled children.

you're just a loser casual player who probably hasn't even seen the insides of the content you're talking about


hey kiddo, my post had nothiing to do with wardrobes, simply stating that people who pay for something MORE OFTEN than people WHO DON'T are more likely to complain about OPTIONAL OR NOT OPTIONAL price increases.

hope this helped you understand


inflation generally accounts for getting the same product at a higher rate.

if we look at steak, we can see that a steak costs $1 in 2000 and $13 in 2022 (these are made up numbers.) but you are still getting the same steak for $13, this is inflation.

in FFXIs case you are getting a moldy half steak that they didn't put the packaging on all the way and you found it on the floor of the grocery store.

also we've been over inflation for technology it doesn't hold up.

here we go again, lets put the inflation costs around technology to bed:

https://www.in2013dollars.com/Televisions/price-inflation

this is why the industry standard has stayed around $13/month for a subscription to a game, even for newer games and why WoW/ff14 have not raised theirs as the two biggest examples brought up in this thread. the service they are offering is CONSTANTLY getting cheaper and they are easy to scale up at cheaper rates and build on an already profiting technology and platform.

In that same scenario:

You bowl every week for 15
You bowl every year for 15

price increases to 25

weekly bowler does notice
yearly bowler does not

now thats an example of not optional

do same but price increase is optional

both people dont give a *** if they don't want the additional whatever that the bowling alley is offering.

there, now do YOU understand why this thread is so *** pointless?

jesus, i have no idea why this is being applied to wardrobes simply stating that people who have played and paid for the game have more of a right to criticize decisions than the people who do not.

lets use steak.

someone buys a steak for $5 once a week it goes to $10, they are going to complain and have more of a right to.

someone who buys steak once a year for $10 is likely not to complain as they won't notice or don't have a right to.

steak buying is optional, the point of my parallel had nothing to do with wardrobes though, just calling out a casual player who has probably paid 2 years of subscription in the last 10 doesn't have as much of a right to criticize decisions as someone who has been paying for all 10, this isn't a tough thing to understand.

Valid points are fine. You've not had a single one. Your points can be summarized into "waaahhhh cash grab waaahhh predatory money practices waahhhh I didnt get what I want waaaahhh".

It's weird as *** to call someone who plays video games casually a loser. I have played this game for a long time, just like most of the people here, for the record.

It's not weird, however, to call a butthurt little *** who does nothing but cry and complain about a game he is throwing money at a loser.

It is about wardrobes given the context of the conversation and because your situation is not analogous, we cannot draw any conclusions.

In fact, given that wardrobes are optional, they are much more likely to be noticed by somebody just returning casually because they will initially sign up for the basic service and only have to opt into the wardrobes later, actively drawing their attention to the increase in price.

Now, if your comment isn't about wardrobes, which an optional service not analogous to an increase in bowling, then your point is entirely moot in this conversation. Either way, it doesn't fit.

it fits for the post i quoted and how i responded and the context in which i posted. this is very hard for you i can tell. if i was you velner i would definitely stay away from the random thoughts thread, conversation topics there can change pretty quickly you might not be able to keep up if just a slight deviation threw you for this much of a loop.

some of you really need some continuing education, it really is a shame.

bosworth please come back to the subject when you've played more than 9 months of the last 10 years, maybe then you can talk about how much content has been dispersed over that time frame.

maybe you can go boot lick in 14 until then

I think I'll stay right here and keep putting mr. *** whiny child in his place, thanks.

By the way, you making up fake numbers in reference to my playtime is yet another example of you not having a valid point.

"I play game longer than you; I get to cry, not you."

-GetHelpNerd 2022

/endthread.

The dude is legitimately a moron. Its sad. Definitely not the type of person you'd expect on a forum like this.

it'd be super simple to prove me wrong, yet you probably aren't going to.

quick recap for what's been proven in this thread and the last

inflation case: dismantled
SE is putting more money into the game: dismantled
SE has hired new devs: dismantled
SE can't borrow staff from ff14: dismantled
SE uses and pays outside contractors (not from 14, not from SE): dismantled
we're getting new zones and battle content in may: no source provided
bosworth a complete and total shill boot licker: true since post 1

welcome to life, someone that holds 10% of the shares of a company is going to be listened to a lot more than you with your fractional $3 share.

you can cry if you want to if you have a $3 share, it just doesn't carry near the weight as the person who owns 10% of the shares.

this is what's called being INVESTED in something, if you only play 2 years out of 10 you are not INVESTED in the game as much as someone who has played 10 years of it