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By Asura.Saevel 2020-07-21 11:56:58
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And, again, that's not a showing of how much Ohioans loved Trump, it's a showing of how much we loathed Hillary Clinton.

Well guess that makes you a racist bigoted homophobic sexist then.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2020-07-21 14:49:08
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Anna Ruthven said: »
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I hate to be that guy (totally don't hate to be that guy), but didn't they arrest him for doing exactly what Obama did in 2009?

Solyndra anyone?
Obama was president in 2009, not illegal if a republican president does it.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2020-07-21 14:52:38
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Prosecutors say Ohio House leader helped pass energy bailout in exchange for $61 million in bribes
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Ohio House Speaker Larry Householder (R) helped pass a controversial nuclear bailout bill in exchange for almost $61 million in bribes, federal prosecutors said Tuesday as they announced racketeering charges against the official.

"Make no mistake, these allegations are bribery, pure and simple," David DeVillers, the U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of Ohio, said at a press conference. "This was quid pro quo, this was pay to play."

Householder, his aide Jeff Longstreth, former Ohio GOP chairman Matt Borges and lobbyists Neil Clark and Juan Cespedes were all arrested and charged in federal court on Tuesday.

The alleged scheme was aimed at passing Ohio's House Bill 6, which was signed into law a year ago. The bill tacked on a surcharge for energy consumers to raise a $150 million bailout for two unprofitable nuclear plants owned by FirstEnergy Solutions....
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By Terlet Sangria 2020-07-21 15:13:05
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And there it is. Not remotely surprising that it involves First Energy.
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By Viciouss 2020-07-21 15:22:07
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I see the governor is already calling on him to resign, how long can he hold on?
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By Drama Torama 2020-07-21 15:45:45
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Oh God, this is about House Bill 6.

The tl,dr for people sensible enough not to live in Ohio:

"We're going to add an extra tax, and divert money from programs relating to energy efficiency, to subsidize two nuclear plants FE built that aren't profitable. Note that you're going to pay this tax even if you aren't within a hundred miles of FE's service area. Enjoy!"

It had sizable bipartisan opposition, and there were ads for/against it for WEEKS via tv/radio/direct mail. I was kind of stunned when it actually passed, but now it all kind of makes sense.

I'm still mad at DeWine for signing that *** thing.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2020-07-21 16:08:12
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Drama Torama said: »
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I'm still mad at DeWine for signing that *** thing.
Got recall in Ohio?
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By Terlet Sangria 2020-07-21 16:10:31
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Garuda.Chanti said: »
Drama Torama said: »
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I'm still mad at DeWine for signing that *** thing.
Got recall in Ohio?

There's no statewide recall of any kind. I don't think I'd want to recall him anyway since he's been pretty good re: covid-19 (though far from perfect).
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By Viciouss 2020-07-21 16:44:47
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What is Ohio's HR 6

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Question: What exactly would the legislation do?

Answer: A revised version of bill released last week would impose a monthly fee of 50 cents in 2020 and $2.50 after that on the electric bill of residential consumers, and $15 in 2020 and $20 a month after that for commercial users. For industrial users, the monthly fee would be $250. In return, the bill would eliminate charges averaging $4.39 per month designed to help consumers reduce their consumption of electricity or help utilities pay for renewable energy programs. Backers of the bill say the trade-off is a net savings for consumers, although some utilities and environmental groups have questioned that. American Electric Power testified that the current energy efficiency fee has saved customers $1 billion in terms of lower electricity use.

Q: How will the program work?

A: The monthly fees are expected to generate about $300 million a year by 2021. The Ohio Air Quality Board would determine how the money is shared among the state’s power companies. Companies would be eligible for a $9 credit per megawatt hour of carbon dioxide-free electricity they generate.

The big recipient would be FirstEnergy Solutions, which owns the state’s only two nuclear power plants, Davis-Besse and Perry, and is trying to work its way out of bankruptcy. It stands to collect about half of the total.

Although geared for clean-energy efforts, money also could be spent on coal or natural gas-fired plants that made efforts to reduce emissions under a not-yet-developed program. Backers say wind and solar also would be eligible, but some groups say the way the language of the bill is drafted, that may not be the case.

Q: Why is the bill needed?

A: FirstEnergy Solutions, the former power generation arm of Akron-based FirstEnergy, says the nuclear plants will close without help by mid-2021. The Davis-Besse plant received its license to operate in 1977 and the Perry plant received its license to operate in 1986. Cheap, abundant supplies of natural gas used to power electricity plants have made the nuclear plants unprofitable.

Supporters of the bill highlight that the plants generate about 90% of the state’s carbon dioxide-free power and support about 4,000 workers directly and indirectly, while the plants’ taxes are important to local communities and schools. About 15% of the state’s electricity production comes from nuclear sources, according to the Public Utilities Commission of Ohio. FirstEnergy Solutions warns that electric bills will go up if the plants close. PJM, which coordinates the wholesale movement of electricity in 13 states, says closing the plants is not expected to hurt electricity reliability in the region. However, closures would require the state to import more power generated elsewhere.

Opponents say the legislation is just a bailout of FirstEnergy Solutions. In the 2017-18 election cycle, FirstEnergy’s political-action committees and executives donated about $1.3 million to Ohio candidates and party funds — more than 70% to Republicans — and spent millions more on lobbying in Ohio and Pennsylvania.

Some more info on it here, it looks like it was a bailout that was passed because the Speaker was paid off. I wonder if the Senate was paid off as well?
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By Garuda.Chanti 2020-07-21 17:21:11
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Viciouss said: »
What is Ohio's HR 6
Some more info on it here, it looks like it was a bailout that was passed because the Speaker was paid off. I wonder if the Senate was paid off as well?
Normal "campaign contributions" will take care of that.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2020-07-21 17:30:49
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Garuda.Chanti said: »
Viciouss said: »
What is Ohio's HR 6
Some more info on it here, it looks like it was a bailout that was passed because the Speaker was paid off. I wonder if the Senate was paid off as well?
Normal "campaign contributions" will take care of that.

Indeed. The government is full of legal bribery and extortion, and that's one of the best examples.
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By Prong 2020-07-21 23:53:29
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Asura.Saevel said: »
Prong said: »
And, again, that's not a showing of how much Ohioans loved Trump, it's a showing of how much we loathed Hillary Clinton.

Well guess that makes you a racist bigoted homophobic sexist then.

Just for being from Ohio? Harsh...
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By Prong 2020-07-21 23:58:42
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Yes, Republican politicians suck, too.

Your guys'(and gals') turn...

PS: I'm not a registered Republican so, fire away.
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By Prong 2020-07-22 00:13:54
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Ha! It seems Householder's region includes Coshocton.

My ex was from Coshocton and she and her entire family were habitual liars. Must be something in the water.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2020-07-26 14:35:19
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Ronald Reagan Foundation Asks RNC to Stop Using Reagan's Likeness for a Trump Fundraiser
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You can't make this stuff up....
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By volkom 2020-07-26 15:36:27
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https://www.newsweek.com/gop-rep-introduced-bill-ban-democratic-party-past-support-slavery-1520152

also can't make this stuff up.
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By Asura.Saevel 2020-07-26 16:51:32
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Hehe I've said that before and the local TDS folks just blew past it.

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Since people are demanding we rid ourselves of the entities, symbols, and reminders of the repugnant aspects of our past, then the time has come for Democrats to acknowledge their party's loathsome and bigoted past, and consider changing their party name to something that isn't so blatantly and offensively tied to slavery, Jim Crow, discrimination, and the Ku Klux Klan

Shots fired!

Now lets see the mental gymnastics that are done to justify being the party of slavery.
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By Viciouss 2020-07-26 16:54:06
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Not that it has anything to do with the election, but we don't care about anything Gohmert says or does. No "mental gymnastics" needed.
By volkom 2020-07-26 17:39:25
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Not that it has anything to do with the election, but we don't care about anything Gohmert says or does. No "mental gymnastics" needed.

but is he wrong though? Should the democrat party change their name and refresh their identity because of their blatant and offensive history of support of slavery, segregation, discrimination etc?
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By Garuda.Chanti 2020-07-26 17:41:30
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A much deeper dive into Ohio's HB6 and the energy industry in general:

An FBI investigation shows Ohio’s abysmal energy law was fueled by corruption

Electric utilities’ corruption problem is much bigger than FirstEnergy’s alleged bribery of Larry Householder.

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By Viciouss 2020-07-26 18:19:03
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volkom said: »
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Not that it has anything to do with the election, but we don't care about anything Gohmert says or does. No "mental gymnastics" needed.

but is he wrong though? Should the democrat party change their name and refresh their identity because of their blatant and offensive history of support of slavery, segregation, discrimination etc?

Of course he is wrong, the Democrats of today have nothing in common with the political party that used that name in the 19th century. Nothing. We have seen numerous attempts by certain idiots to try to connect the left with the KKK and slavery, and it fails every time. This time was no different. Just another temper tantrum from the House minority.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2020-07-26 18:32:39
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Viciouss said: »
volkom said: »
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Not that it has anything to do with the election, but we don't care about anything Gohmert says or does. No "mental gymnastics" needed.

but is he wrong though? Should the democrat party change their name and refresh their identity because of their blatant and offensive history of support of slavery, segregation, discrimination etc?

Of course he is wrong, the Democrats of today have nothing in common with the political party that used that name in the 19th century. Nothing. We have seen numerous attempts by certain idiots to try to connect the left with the KKK and slavery, and it fails every time. This time was no different. Just another temper tantrum from the House minority.

Just like how certain military bases have nothing to do with the actual Confederacy that fought against the United States? When are names offensive and when are they not?
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By Viciouss 2020-07-26 18:38:37
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Bahamut.Ravael said: »
Viciouss said: »
volkom said: »
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Not that it has anything to do with the election, but we don't care about anything Gohmert says or does. No "mental gymnastics" needed.

but is he wrong though? Should the democrat party change their name and refresh their identity because of their blatant and offensive history of support of slavery, segregation, discrimination etc?

Of course he is wrong, the Democrats of today have nothing in common with the political party that used that name in the 19th century. Nothing. We have seen numerous attempts by certain idiots to try to connect the left with the KKK and slavery, and it fails every time. This time was no different. Just another temper tantrum from the House minority.

Just like how certain military bases have nothing to do with the actual Confederacy that fought against the United States? When are names offensive and when are they not?

I knew this specific deflection was coming, haha.
By volkom 2020-07-26 18:46:35
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volkom said: »
Viciouss said: »
Not that it has anything to do with the election, but we don't care about anything Gohmert says or does. No "mental gymnastics" needed.

but is he wrong though? Should the democrat party change their name and refresh their identity because of their blatant and offensive history of support of slavery, segregation, discrimination etc?

Of course he is wrong, the Democrats of today have nothing in common with the political party that used that name in the 19th century. Nothing. We have seen numerous attempts by certain idiots to try to connect the left with the KKK and slavery, and it fails every time. This time was no different. Just another temper tantrum from the House minority.

But its the same political party name is it not? You don't believe that the actions and connections of the are not affiliated with the democrat party today? That the democrat party today believes things like social equality, protecting the environment, multiculturalism etc right? The party should be viewed for its principles and values right?

If the answer to the questions above is Yes then why is it okay to tear down statues of Washington and Jefferson? How is it okay to judge the democrat party based on their principles but not also the party's past actions? Shouldn't we be celebrating and honoring individuals who promotes and encourages the country's values?
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2020-07-26 18:50:52
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Viciouss said: »
I knew this specific deflection was coming, haha.

And I knew a generic dismissal was coming... haha.
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By Viciouss 2020-07-26 19:16:04
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volkom said: »
Viciouss said: »
volkom said: »
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Not that it has anything to do with the election, but we don't care about anything Gohmert says or does. No "mental gymnastics" needed.

but is he wrong though? Should the democrat party change their name and refresh their identity because of their blatant and offensive history of support of slavery, segregation, discrimination etc?

Of course he is wrong, the Democrats of today have nothing in common with the political party that used that name in the 19th century. Nothing. We have seen numerous attempts by certain idiots to try to connect the left with the KKK and slavery, and it fails every time. This time was no different. Just another temper tantrum from the House minority.

But its the same political party name is it not? You don't believe that the actions and connections of the are not affiliated with the democrat party today?

I know your missing a word here I'm just going to assume its "past" and say No, not at all. No one associates the Democrats of today with the instigators of the Civil War, the formation of the KKK, the opposers of the Civil Rights movement. And when I say no one, I emphasize the people that were directly affected by those events, African Americans. There is a reason Democrats hold an overwhelming majority of the black vote, hell Hillary Clinton did poorly in that demographic and still took 88% of the black vote. Expect Biden to be well over 90%. So if the African American population doesn't care about the name "Democrats," there is no reason for anyone else to either. Which is why a casual dismissal is all Gohmert and anyone else that jumps on this dumb topic deserves. Choose a different hill to die on.
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i think you're missing my point
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2020-07-26 19:26:16
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Well, your use of the term “no one” is blatantly false since you don’t understand how absolutes work. There certainly are blacks who have a problem with aspects of the Democrat Party, but the Dems do such a good job of calling them Uncle Toms and race traitors and subsequently silencing them that it’s no wonder they have such a hold on the demographic.
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By Asura.Saevel 2020-07-26 19:37:11
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volkom said: »
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volkom said: »
Viciouss said: »
Not that it has anything to do with the election, but we don't care about anything Gohmert says or does. No "mental gymnastics" needed.

but is he wrong though? Should the democrat party change their name and refresh their identity because of their blatant and offensive history of support of slavery, segregation, discrimination etc?

Of course he is wrong, the Democrats of today have nothing in common with the political party that used that name in the 19th century. Nothing. We have seen numerous attempts by certain idiots to try to connect the left with the KKK and slavery, and it fails every time. This time was no different. Just another temper tantrum from the House minority.

But its the same political party name is it not? You don't believe that the actions and connections of the are not affiliated with the democrat party today? That the democrat party today believes things like social equality, protecting the environment, multiculturalism etc right? The party should be viewed for its principles and values right?

If the answer to the questions above is Yes then why is it okay to tear down statues of Washington and Jefferson? How is it okay to judge the democrat party based on their principles but not also the party's past actions? Shouldn't we be celebrating and honoring individuals who promotes and encourages the country's values?

Yep, Democrats, the party of slavery. I mean Biden flat out admitted it when he said those that don't vote for him aren't really black.
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