Election 2020 The Horse Race (Not Misspelled)

we should wait and get the facts before we start blaming and rioting

Why waste all that opportunity, just smash and burn everything, then blame it on Trump.


I mean why waste a perfectly good time to sow chaos, dissent and disaster that you can blame on your sworn enemy?

Both during their conventions and outside of them, the Democratic and Republican Parties have shown the American public two visions of our country. And the contrast could not be starker. In order to analyze it, it's essential to separate facts from spin -- particularly media spin, which has been divorced from reality for decades when it comes to Republican politicians and policies but has plumbed new depths of desperation and falsehood since Donald Trump was elected president in 2016.

We're told by Democrats that the United States is an irredeemably racist country, and that "systemic racism" keeps Blacks and other Americans of color from achieving what they otherwise could. But Democrats don't explain Americans like Oprah Winfrey, former President Barack Obama, Sen. Kamala Harris, Colin Kaepernick, Kobe Bryant, Rep. Maxine Waters, LeBron James, Sydney Poitier and countless other Black activists, actors, athletes, teachers, firefighters, politicians, police officers and business owners who have, despite facing discrimination, uphill battles and more difficult odds, achieved incredible success. Either the "system" that was allegedly set up to keep those individuals from succeeding does a remarkably lousy job of it or there's more to the story.

We're told that it's Democrats who truly care for women, minorities, immigrants and children, but it's the left that insults first lady Melania Trump for her status as an immigrant and her accent. It's the left that calls Black and Hispanic conservatives the worst racial slurs. It's the left that mocks and pooh-poohs the accounts of immigrants like Maximo Alvarez who escaped communist Cuba. And it was the left that misjudged pro-life teenager Nick Sandmann, called him a racist with a "punchable face" and sicced the social media mobs on him.

We're told that President Donald Trump and Republicans are fascists, but it's Democratic governors, mayors and prosecutors who have shut down small businesses; who have sent coronavirus patients to be housed among the most vulnerable populations in nursing homes and long-term care facilities; who have released convicted felons from prison but ordered the arrest of religious observers, moms at parks and surfers; and who have allowed rioters and looters to escape scot-free but charged homeowners for defending their home.

We're told that Republicans and conservatives are racists, but it's progressive whites who are screaming racial epithets at minority police and other first responders.

We're told that it's Democrats who can best lead our cities. But Democratic-led cities like New York, Chicago, Seattle, Portland, Atlanta and even tiny Kenosha, Wisconsin, have seen unprecedented rioting, looting, arson, destruction, vandalism, theft and physical violence -- including murder -- at the hands of criminal mobs of rioters, while the state and local political "leadership" does virtually nothing. Democratic mayors tell the police to stand down. Democratic governors hesitate to call in the National Guard to protect people and property. And Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden barely addresses the violence.

The riots and destruction that Democratic political leaders have allowed to explode and spread in cities across the country make clear that a lot of people in America don't matter. Homeowners don't matter, as they can be screamed at and threatened all hours of the day and night. Business owners -- even and especially minority business owners in the cities ravaged by riots -- don't matter, as their buildings and property are destroyed with impunity. Law-abiding and peace-loving citizens don't matter, as riotous mobs are permitted to burn, vandalize and destroy property; assault people; and even kill people. Law enforcement doesn't matter, as Democratic activists and politicians call for defunding and even abolishing the police.

Meanwhile, what do we see at the Republican convention?

Minorities such as Sen. Tim Scott and football great Herschel Walker, women such as former U.S. Ambassador and South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley, and immigrants such as Maximo Alvarez speaking up for the unparalleled opportunities that the United States offers because of liberty and individual rights, notwithstanding our failings. Alvarez, who escaped communist Cuba, warns us about going down the primrose path to collectivism. Activists like Abby Johnson speaks up for the lives of unborn children.

Republicans are pitching optimism, opportunity and the limitless possibilities of the individual in America, regardless of background, religion, race, ethnicity or the obstacles that have existed and continue to exist.

Democrats are pitching anger, hatred, victimhood, resentment, class and racial warfare, and self-loathing. If there is any hope, it lies solely in the hands of an ever-larger government -- led, it must be noted, by the same people who have presided over the devastation and catastrophic failures noted above.

Democratic stalwarts in American history like former Presidents Franklin D. Roosevelt, Harry Truman and John F. Kennedy must be rolling over in their graves to see what the Democratic Party has reduced itself to. This is what the Democratic National Committee expects Americans to support? This is what it thinks people -- regardless of party affiliation -- want more of?

The election is still 60-plus days away, and there is always an element of unpredictability and the prospect of an unexpected surprise. But at this juncture, it's hard to see how a majority of the American electorate is going to vote for what the Democrats are selling as their vision of America. In truth, it's not even a "vision." It's more like a nightmarish hallucination. Except that it's all too real.

whats the definition of a riot?

Something that CNN doesn't show.

Seriously people smashing windows, setting entire car lots on fire and attacking anyone that gets near them. CNN calls it "peaceful protest".

Here are the Democrats "Peaceful Protests".

Welcome to Donald Trump's America.

Are we great again yet?

If you want to make America worse just to spite Trump, then something tells me that he isn't the problem.

It's like the Republicans have to resort to creating this stuff because they have nothing else.

Re-electing Trump is akin to making America worse. Look at our country in 2016 and now. How exactly did he make America Great again? It's a stinking p*** hole compared to 4 years ago. I don't want to see this country go down that road any longer.

This, coming from the guy who has posted memes with quotes attributed to Trump that he never actually said.

He kept Clinton out of office, so that's a pretty good start. Either way, you're entitled to your opinion even if it's based on emotionally-driven nonsense.

Both of you need to take a step back from each other for a bit.

Off the bat, I'm not touch the OJ stuff with a 10 foot pole, even from the window of my driving away Bronco.

Your example assumes something- it assumes that everyone showing up to a protest is there for the same reason, and that's just something I can't accept. All sorts of ilk come to a protest, from those who are wholly there for the purpose/cause, and then some who just like chaos and see an opportunity.

The debate then comes about "you are judged by the company you keep"- however the primarily conservative right that brings up violence at protests might want to be careful with that slogan- we can find many examples of bad company they kept as well both recently and over the years.

The fact is that its impossible to judge a group by the actions of the fringe. And you're making the assumption that its all nice and organized without ulterior motives hiding in those fringes. I know by your posts that you can't believe its that binary. There are tons of extremes out there who can subvert the true message trying to get out.

And Ravael hit it on the head- the combination of media focusing on the examples of violence combined with the inability to call out those fringe groups clouds the intended message to the point where its lost, and all that remains are memories and video of the violence, not the George Floyds of the world.

no, there really isn't a single desire of mine one way or the other- outside of a desire to not see ANYONE's message clouded by violence. I just want the ideas to duke it out, not the idea holders, so to speak.

anyone watch trump's closing speech of the rnc?

Missed it, unfortunately. Mostly been getting recaps. Aside from the obligatory Orange Man Bad takes on it, the coverage seems neutral-to-good, which is similar to what Biden got. Both candidates pretty much just had to get through their speeches without any major flubs, and they did.

I was watching it on CNN ~ Trump was stating a lot of stuff and every once in a while CNN would have a fact check statement at the bottom. Funny thing though, every so often Trump made some powerful statements and no fact checking happened xD

anyone watch trump's closing speech of the rnc?

I was watching it on CNN ~ Trump was stating a lot of stuff and every once in a while CNN would have a fact check statement at the bottom. Funny thing though, every so often Trump made some powerful statements and no fact checking happened xD

Real time fact checking cannot go nearly as fast as Trump can spout lies. They need to have him on a delay loop to even try to catch up.

Not only do I dislike watching TV I cannot stand listening to politicians. Any politicians.

I heard it was an incredibly long (70 minutes??) teleprompter speech