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By Asura.Saevel 2020-08-24 12:15:01
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
To be fair though, the more dense the population is, the more cases/deaths you will find in that area. It has little to do with the political affiliation of said government. Those cases/deaths would be high regardless, the only question is how high it would be if certain policies were put in place, like, say, oh, not forcing nursing home to take in sick patients where the spread will most likely kill the healthy(ish), etc.

Well most high density area's are called cities and most cities are run by Democrat mayors. I'm just using the Progressives own logic to come up with a really bad conclusion.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2020-08-24 12:21:32
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
To be fair though, the more dense the population is, the more cases/deaths you will find in that area. It has little to do with the political affiliation of said government. Those cases/deaths would be high regardless, the only question is how high it would be if certain policies were put in place, like, say, oh, not forcing nursing home to take in sick patients where the spread will most likely kill the healthy(ish), etc.

Well most high density area's are called cities and most cities are run by Democrat mayors. I'm just using the Progressives own logic to come up with a really bad conclusion.
Well, eventually the people in cities will get tired of the ***the liberals/democrats have been feeding them for decades and get rid of them all. It literally is only a matter of time.
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By volkom 2020-08-24 12:25:07
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only in america where you can assault a cop and not be charged for it.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2020-08-24 12:28:55
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only in america where you can assault a cop and not be killed for it.
Fixed for...partial truth.

I mean, it happens, but not as much as other countries (say, for instance, Germany/France/UK/China/Russia and so on.)
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By Leviathan.Celebrindal 2020-08-24 15:01:11
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Be ready for the RNC to announce some "Miracle Treatment" for COVID-19 to spike support. Truth is they're talking about a 100 year Hail Mary pass that's been used in multiple diseases as a true last resort, and never once had true double blind studies performed because it is seen as such a true LAST RESORT- Convalescent Plasma.

Look it up, check out why and when its been used, and then ask yourself- "are we really at this point of desperation, or is wearing a mask really that restrictive to your freedoms?
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2020-08-24 15:04:36
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Leviathan.Celebrindal said: »
Be ready for the RNC to announce some "Miracle Treatment" for COVID-19 to spike support.
They aren't like the DNC and claim that going to riots protests will make you immune from COVID.
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By Viciouss 2020-08-24 15:12:02
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Leviathan.Celebrindal said: »
Be ready for the RNC to announce some "Miracle Treatment" for COVID-19 to spike support. Truth is they're talking about a 100 year Hail Mary pass that's been used in multiple diseases as a true last resort, and never once had true double blind studies performed because it is seen as such a true LAST RESORT- Convalescent Plasma.

Look it up, check out why and when its been used, and then ask yourself- "are we really at this point of desperation, or is wearing a mask really that restrictive to your freedoms?

It took Trump all of 5 minutes to start his disinformation campaign today. This after he pressured the FDA to approve the plasma treatment for political reasons. It's hydroC all over again, no science at all.
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By Leviathan.Celebrindal 2020-08-24 15:37:50
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Leviathan.Celebrindal said: »
Be ready for the RNC to announce some "Miracle Treatment" for COVID-19 to spike support. Truth is they're talking about a 100 year Hail Mary pass that's been used in multiple diseases as a true last resort, and never once had true double blind studies performed because it is seen as such a true LAST RESORT- Convalescent Plasma.

Look it up, check out why and when its been used, and then ask yourself- "are we really at this point of desperation, or is wearing a mask really that restrictive to your freedoms?

It took Trump all of 5 minutes to start his disinformation campaign today. This after he pressured the FDA to approve the plasma treatment for political reasons. It's hydroC all over again, no science at all.

Thank you for actually reading it- that's exactly what it is, yet another hydroC and oleandra.
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By Leviathan.Celebrindal 2020-08-24 15:44:03
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One article on the subject for those who want the info but don't want it THAT bad to google.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2020-08-24 15:51:03
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Plasma therapy(s) and plasma products have been used forever.

It's literally a vaccine in covids case. You are just giving antibodies to people. In theory more antibodies, faster recovery. Pretty straight forward.

I did the same thing 20 years ago, I got a tetanus shot and for a couple years they used my plasma to make tetanus shots.
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By Prong 2020-08-24 15:51:15
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The virus is here, Trump's policies and rhetoric have sought to keep it here and speed up the spread and those policies have worked. He doesn't have any policies to actually slow the spread or keep people safe. His strategy seems to be to just wait for a miracle cure. In the meantime, die.

Sorry but this is officially insane talk. You are literally claiming Trump intentionally wants to keep Covid in America and flourishing. That makes zero sense. It's the worst possible thing right now for his re-election campaign. I knew you liked to troll but wow man. And yes, no matter how many times you say it isn't, it is still ultimately China's fault that EVERY country has it. They developed it (intentionally or accidentally, we will never know), they hid it, they allowed it to leave China. End of story.
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By Prong 2020-08-24 15:54:18
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Garuda.Chanti said: »
Further reading:

The Trump Pandemic
A blow-by-blow account of how the president killed thousands of Americans.

Slate

Again, I attribute nothing. The author of the article does.

"I attribute nothing." But, I posted the article as a representation or backing to my thoughts....kind of a cop out. Slate, really. Why not Refinery29 or HelloKitty? Super unbiased sources.
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By Leviathan.Celebrindal 2020-08-24 16:05:38
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Asura.Eiryl said: »
Plasma therapy(s) and plasma products have been used forever.

It's literally a vaccine in covids case. You are just giving antibodies to people. In theory more antibodies, faster recovery. Pretty straight forward.

I did the same thing 20 years ago, I got a tetanus shot and for a couple years they used my plasma to make tetanus shots.

As I stated in my first post, YES it has been used for over 100 years (first case seems to be around 1904) with LIMITED SUCCESS, and -here's the key part- never gone through any form of true double blind studies or testing.

This is another HydroC in that just because it works with one infectious disease (again, limited and never truly put through proper testing) does not mean it will work with all. Rushing such therapy and using political pressure against the FDA is extremely dangerous even if one person lives due to it.

My complaint is that a president with ZERO medical knowledge can release a statement that is then taken as gospel while he also mocks true medical professionals giving good advice, all in the name of political sway.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2020-08-24 16:09:08
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If you give someone an injection of antibodies it helps fight the infection. It's really that simple.

You got em, you give em, they get em, they fight it better.

The problem is how much is required. It's a precious resource.
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By Viciouss 2020-08-24 16:15:23
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Viciouss said: »
The virus is here, Trump's policies and rhetoric have sought to keep it here and speed up the spread and those policies have worked. He doesn't have any policies to actually slow the spread or keep people safe. His strategy seems to be to just wait for a miracle cure. In the meantime, die.

Sorry but this is officially insane talk. You are literally claiming Trump intentionally wants to keep Covid in America and flourishing. That makes zero sense. It's the worst possible thing right now for his re-election campaign. I knew you liked to troll but wow man. And yes, no matter how many times you say it isn't, it is still ultimately China's fault that EVERY country has it. They developed it (intentionally or accidentally, we will never know), they hid it, they allowed it to leave China. End of story.

Lol, what was the last policy Trump rallied behind that was actively seeking to mitigate the spread?
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By Leviathan.Celebrindal 2020-08-24 16:16:43
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Asura.Eiryl said: »
If you give someone an injection of antibodies it helps fight the infection. It's really that simple.

You got em, you give em, they get em, they fight it better.

The problem is how much is required. It's a precious resource.

Its that simple, as you put it, for things where having the antibodies has been shown to provide true immunity. Measles, for example. But there has been early data showing re-infection with antibodies is quite possible and there are MANY documented cases of it. Enough to show that wasting time on this method of Convalescent Plasma is taking away from true research for either an actual vaccine or at least effective treatment.

Convalescent or Donor Plasma is a very precious resource, no way I'll argue that. But as I stated from the beginning, this is a 100+ year old HAIL MARY, not the main route taken.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2020-08-24 16:23:31
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I fail to see how anything is taking away from “true research”. Vaccines are being developed at the most rapid pace that we’ve seen for any disease, with several already entering the last phases of testing. They’re not magically evaporating.
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By Valefor.Endoq 2020-08-24 16:25:07
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Nevermind the 202 election, we have an election happening on ffxiah right now!

https://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/54986/ms-paint-reloaded-6-dance-moves/2/#3539536
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By Valefor.Endoq 2020-08-24 16:25:21
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By Asura.Eiryl 2020-08-24 16:25:59
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They're worried that idiot in charge will take focus away from a "real" cure because we already "have one"

What could actually happen is the price of said vaccine won't be low because plasma already exists but thats a whole different can of worms.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2020-08-24 16:32:02
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They're worried that idiot in charge will take focus away from a "real" cure because we already "have one"

What could actually happen is the price of said vaccine won't be low because plasma already exists but thats a whole different can of worms.

The President doesn’t set the “focus”. Markets and the medical community will do what they’re going to do anyway.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2020-08-24 16:40:04
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And here in Phoenix we’ve had at least some billboards up for weeks telling people who have had COVID to donate plasma to help save lives. It’s not a new thing nor is it a vaccine replacement. Just people losing their minds because Trump said a thing.
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By Leviathan.Celebrindal 2020-08-24 16:40:56
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I fail to see how anything is taking away from “true research”. Vaccines are being developed at the most rapid pace that we’ve seen for any disease, with several already entering the last phases of testing. They’re not magically evaporating.
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They're worried that idiot in charge will take focus away from a "real" cure because we already "have one"

What could actually happen is the price of said vaccine won't be low because plasma already exists but thats a whole different can of worms.

Actually, neither. I'm worried about the idiocy of the populace. As happened with HydroC when Trump mentioned it via twitter and press conferences. Supplies of the medicine dropped to dangerous levels for its actual uses- Lupus and RA being the two most prevalent ones. Those patients all of a sudden couldn't get the medicine they needed and were prescribed for the actual use because panicking individuals got unjustified prescriptions. You cant' just turn a faucet on and get more, it takes time and money to reconfigure a process to increase production levels. That, combined with the risks of such treatment often outweigh the benefits- in particular if trying to treat something its not even prescribed for.

Then his comments on Oleandra- a derivative supplement from the Oleander plant, a known toxin. Again, no actual studies done on the efficacy of such treatment for COVID or really ANY Corona virus. But Trump has connections to those producing Oleandra.

Now the comments regarding Convalescent Plasma treatment. He is taking something used in the early 1900s before proper vaccines were created to treat mystery diseases they couldn't find a cure for. It was only ever given to the most severe cases where negative results weren't going to be worse than the expected outcome of death. We also are dealing with a VERY different virus than what in the past has shown LIMITED success with this therapy- most of the positive results that have and will be mentioned in usage of Donor Plasma are bacterial infections, not viral. The VERY FEW examples of success with Donor Plasma and viral infections come in cases of viruses where presence of antibodies has shown with decades of research to provide true immunity- such proof simply does not exist for COVID-19, or again- any Corona Virus. Add to that actual documented cases worldwide of patients who have recovered from COVID-19, have their own antibodies present in their system, and have been infected again. This is snake oil at its best, hidden behind "just enough" numbers to fool most.

This is misuse of position on Trump's part. A president should allow his medical advisors who have spent a lifetime studying such things to make the statements regarding such matters.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2020-08-24 16:44:23
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HCQ is taken as a preventative (doesn't work but it's beside the point)

You can't, even if you wanted to, just go buy someones plasma from a pharmacy. You can't simply ask for plasma injection.

It's completely incomparable to HCQ
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By Leviathan.Celebrindal 2020-08-24 16:46:19
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Asura.Eiryl said: »
HCQ is taken as a preventative (doesn't work but it's beside the point)

You can't, even if you wanted to, just go buy someones plasma from a pharmacy. You can't simply ask for plasma injection.

It's completely incomparable to HCQ

can't just buy HCQ from a pharmacy, either. Yet its supplies were depleted. I put nothing beyond the desires of the corrupt.
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By Asura.Saevel 2020-08-24 18:04:17
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And here in Phoenix we’ve had at least some billboards up for weeks telling people who have had COVID to donate plasma to help save lives. It’s not a new thing nor is it a vaccine replacement. Just people losing their minds because Trump said a thing.

It's pure TDS, anything Trump says must be wrong, racist, evil and from Hitler herself (Hitler is now officially female to make up for the imbalance of genocidal maniacs). If President Trump said that he likes Salads, the Progressives would insist vegetables were evil and bad for you.
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By Leviathan.Celebrindal 2020-08-24 18:21:02
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dang, y'all- can't you just agree that it isn't a President's role (no matter who that president is) to give medical advice? Let the Surgeon General speak for the administration, or bring in virologists who spend their lives researching this.

Even under best situations, a President has spent their lives studying public policy, economics, international relations, and public speaking. NOT MEDICINE.
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