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By Ragnarok.Ozment 2020-08-23 13:23:19
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
A) So, are sources you disagree with facts I don't like then?

3 of your sources pre-dated the convention, and another was akin to tabloids that tell people batboy is real and Elvis is alive somewhere.

Asura.Kingnobody said: »
B) Good, you disagree with "Just the News". Your disagreement is only to do with them being right of center. Not because of what they reported, but because of their biases. My question is, so?

It isn't your place to tell me what I agree or disagree with. It is your place to comprehend what I am explaining to you. If you look back at he posts, you claimed that Biden plagiarized his 2020 Convention speech, and I tasked you with proving it. An article that references stuff in 1987 is just full of fail.

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C) There is a reason why the WP piece had nothing to do with Biden's 2020 convention speech. Want to take a guess at it? Hint: Check the date of the article.

See above response.

Asura.Kingnobody said: »
D) Again, you are basing your opinion on biases of the sources, not the story itself.

Whether or not a speech was plagiarized has nothing to do with opinion, it would be a fact. Either it was plagiarized, or it wasn't.

Let me know if you find that proof.

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Why can't you, for once in your life, read the articles in question? Are you afraid that you might learn something? Or are you so ingrained in your own biases that you will always refuse to look at anything that is to the right of your political beliefs?

My initial responses as well as the ones here show quite clearly that I read the articles, they were all relatively short. For once in my life? lol...

Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Do yourself a favor and stop being so ingrained in your own selfish notions. There is a reason why you are so linear in your arguments.

I wasn't aware you were an avid follower of my arguments. I didn't think we had interacted much, unless you were using a different name. That seems to happen here in these forums on occasion.
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By Ragnarok.Ozment 2020-08-23 13:32:43
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volkom said: »
That's a very oversimplified comparison on who you're deciding to vote for.

It is one of many reasons, but I do consider it to be a strong one.

volkom said: »
And yes it's sad that's theres 1000s of unnecessary deaths but the blame (however much you want to believe) is not 100% Trumps fault. For starters we can blame China for creating the virus, and for providing false info to the WHO.

I'm actually 100% certain the virus was not Trump's fault. It was his response to it that was lacking.

I had hope for him when he first took office, I thought he could make some good changes...but from 2016 until now it has been nothing but downhill. I doubt he'll be reelected, I remember reading somewhere that no President in our history has been reelected with the economy in a slump, regardless of where the fault lies.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2020-08-23 13:59:15
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Ragnarok.Ozment said: »
3 of your sources pre-dated the convention
Yes, the point was that Biden is a notorious plagiarizer. You do know what the word "notorious" means, right?

Ragnarok.Ozment said: »
another was akin to tabloids that tell people batboy is real and Elvis is alive somewhere.
I did not quote CNN, MSNBC, or NYT.

Ragnarok.Ozment said: »
It isn't your place to tell me what I agree or disagree with. It is your place to comprehend what I am explaining to you. If you look back at he posts, you claimed that Biden plagiarized his 2020 Convention speech, and I tasked you with proving it. An article that references stuff in 1987 is just full of fail.
I did provide you evidence that Biden plagiarized a dead Canadian politician's final words. Just because you refuse to accept it mainly because of your narrative getting shot to hell and back doesn't discount the evidence. All it does is discounts your argument 100%.

Again, stop being so biased and open your eye. You are as bad as Vic on this. It's almost like being a liberal means you have to have your head stuck in the ground or some orifice or something.

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My initial responses as well as the ones here show quite clearly that I read the articles, they were all relatively short. For once in my life? lol...
You show no evidence in it, since you did not attack the articles, just the media it came from. I highly doubt that you have either the reading comprehension or critical thinking needed to analyze such things.

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I wasn't aware you were an avid follower of my arguments. I didn't think we had interacted much, unless you were using a different name. That seems to happen here in these forums on occasion.
That's the nice thing about forums. While we may not have interacted much, I do read what you write. Just because you and I don't interact doesn't mean I don't understand what you are writing, those are two mutually exclusive events.

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I'm actually 100% certain the virus was not Trump's fault. It was his response to it that was lacking.
Fine, something we can talk about. Care to compare his response to certain governors, such as Cuomo and Newsom?
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By Asura.Saevel 2020-08-23 14:22:27
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Have the Dem's declared victory in the election yet? I figure after last time they'd want to skip the election entirely and just go ahead with the coronation as planned.
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By Ragnarok.Ozment 2020-08-23 14:27:34
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Fine, something we can talk about. Care to compare his response to certain governors, such as Cuomo and Newsom?

Not really, it would be like comparing 3 turds from different litter boxes.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2020-08-23 15:43:25
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
A) So, are sources you disagree with facts I don't like then?

3 of your sources pre-dated the convention, and another was akin to tabloids that tell people batboy is real and Elvis is alive somewhere....
Oh come on. The NY Post has never published one piece featuring batboy. Elvis on the other hand ....
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By Garuda.Chanti 2020-08-23 16:13:08
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
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Ragnarok.Ozment said: »
I'm actually 100% certain the virus was not Trump's fault. It was his response to it that was lacking.
Fine, something we can talk about. Care to compare his response to certain governors, such as Cuomo and Newsom?
I would rather compare it to other world leaders but if you insist...

Trump. US president. Deaths 176K, cases 5.68M. Population 328.2m. Deaths / 100K people 51.90.

Cumo. NY governor. Deaths 32,464, cases 434K. Population 19.45m. Deaths / 100K people 169.

Newsom. CA governor. Deaths 12,137, cases 665k. Population 39.51m. Deaths / 100K people 30.

Abbott. TX governor. Deaths 11,650, cases 559K. Population 29m. Deaths / 100K people 39.

DeSantis. FL governor. Deaths 10,273, cases 598k. Population 21,48m. Deaths / 100K people 47.

All of the deaths are under reported but we know FL is actively fudging the figures.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2020-08-23 16:52:32
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Garuda.Chanti said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
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Ragnarok.Ozment said: »
I'm actually 100% certain the virus was not Trump's fault. It was his response to it that was lacking.
Fine, something we can talk about. Care to compare his response to certain governors, such as Cuomo and Newsom?
I would rather compare it to other world leaders but if you insist...

Trump. US president. Deaths 176K, cases 5.68M. Population 328.2m. Deaths / 100K people 51.90.

Cumo. NY governor. Deaths 32,464, cases 434K. Population 19.45m. Deaths / 100K people 169.

Newsom. CA governor. Deaths 12,137, cases 665k. Population 39.51m. Deaths / 100K people 30.

Abbott. TX governor. Deaths 11,650, cases 559K. Population 29m. Deaths / 100K people 39.

DeSantis. FL governor. Deaths 10,273, cases 598k. Population 21,48m. Deaths / 100K people 47.

All of the deaths are under reported but we know FL is actively fudging the figures.

Keep in mind that the ability of all of those people to respond to such a crisis is dependent on the laws within their own spheres that regulate their influence. Funny how almost nobody is blaming actual lawmakers and those who control the purse.
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By Leviathan.Celebrindal 2020-08-23 17:02:27
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Bahamut.Ravael said: »
Garuda.Chanti said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
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Ragnarok.Ozment said: »
I'm actually 100% certain the virus was not Trump's fault. It was his response to it that was lacking.
Fine, something we can talk about. Care to compare his response to certain governors, such as Cuomo and Newsom?
I would rather compare it to other world leaders but if you insist...

Trump. US president. Deaths 176K, cases 5.68M. Population 328.2m. Deaths / 100K people 51.90.

Cumo. NY governor. Deaths 32,464, cases 434K. Population 19.45m. Deaths / 100K people 169.

Newsom. CA governor. Deaths 12,137, cases 665k. Population 39.51m. Deaths / 100K people 30.

Abbott. TX governor. Deaths 11,650, cases 559K. Population 29m. Deaths / 100K people 39.

DeSantis. FL governor. Deaths 10,273, cases 598k. Population 21,48m. Deaths / 100K people 47.

All of the deaths are under reported but we know FL is actively fudging the figures.

Keep in mind that the ability of all of those people to respond to such a crisis is dependent on the laws within their own spheres that regulate their influence. Funny how almost nobody is blaming actual lawmakers and those who control the purse.

Because blaming elected officials eventually leads to "why the hell did I vote for that person?" and some semblance of self-responsibility. If its the falsely elected king, EVERYONE gets to complain without a shred of responsibility.
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By volkom 2020-08-23 19:43:38
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Garuda.Chanti said: »
I would rather compare it to other world leaders but if you insist...

what are the #s?
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By Garuda.Chanti 2020-08-23 21:19:56
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volkom said: »
Garuda.Chanti said: »
I would rather compare it to other world leaders but if you insist...

what are the #s?
I didn't look those up.

Its not hard.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2020-08-23 22:12:29
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Garuda.Chanti said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
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Ragnarok.Ozment said: »
I'm actually 100% certain the virus was not Trump's fault. It was his response to it that was lacking.
Fine, something we can talk about. Care to compare his response to certain governors, such as Cuomo and Newsom?
I would rather compare it to other world leaders but if you insist...

Trump. US president. Deaths 176K, cases 5.68M. Population 328.2m. Deaths / 100K people 51.90.

Cumo. NY governor. Deaths 32,464, cases 434K. Population 19.45m. Deaths / 100K people 169.

Newsom. CA governor. Deaths 12,137, cases 665k. Population 39.51m. Deaths / 100K people 30.

Abbott. TX governor. Deaths 11,650, cases 559K. Population 29m. Deaths / 100K people 39.

DeSantis. FL governor. Deaths 10,273, cases 598k. Population 21,48m. Deaths / 100K people 47.

All of the deaths are under reported but we know FL is actively fudging the figures.
You know, that is very unfair. You are attributing every state's deaths to Trump, even though his policies had zero to do with many of them, such as Cuomo's nursing home fiasco or Newsom's policies that lead to the most COVID-related suicides in the nation.

If you are going to be honest with yourself, at least compare apples to apples without adding apples to one person's barrel.
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By volkom 2020-08-23 22:48:00
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so..

Deaths per 100k @ august 20th.

Belgium -- 87.02
UK -- 62.11
Spain -- 61.35
Italy -- 56.71
Trump's 'murica -- 51.90
France -- 45.47
Ireland -- 36.19
Netherlands -- 35.71
Germany -- 11.50
Denmark -- 10.70
By volkom 2020-08-23 22:49:26
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i'm kinda lazy ~ anyone want to do the math or find out what the death's per 100k for all of the EU vs the US is?
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2020-08-24 02:15:19
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volkom said: »
i'm kinda lazy ~ anyone want to do the math or find out what the death's per 100k for all of the EU vs the US is?

I crunched the numbers. If we make the wild assumption that the data is accurate, they're looking at ~31 per 100k. Either way, I would expect them to be lower simply because the non-touristy areas are less likely to receive international traffic between EU nations than the US is to receive interstate traffic. The spread is harder to contain here. Given that fact and the fact that we're dealing with many nations' reporting quirks instead of just one, their ~31 is higher than I was expecting.
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He has no plan to combat the virus. His narrow "travel ban" did nothing in February, and it certainly isn't doing anything now. Why does he still talk about it? The virus is here, its not going anywhere, why even mention his "travel ban?" Its completely irrelevant, yet we constantly hear about it.

And this is China's fault. The more we learn, we find out each time that China knew about Covid a tad earlier than we had thought, then a tad earlier, then earlier...I would not be surprised when all is said and done they had known about this since the start of 2019, but as of now, we do know officially they knew since August of 2019.

China then sought to silence anyone, any doctor, who attempted to reach out so the world could be warned. If China had not worried about their economy/communist pride and just came out right away, they could have stopped all international flights then and it would have been contained. We'd be talking about this like we talk about Ebola. "Something terrible that mostly happened elsewhere...hope they make it!"

So, blaming Trump for making decisions that were not perfect in the face of misinformation and the fact we, as a human collective, have not dealt with this level of pandemic since 1918. Nobody made good decisions all around. Not WHO, not Italy, not the UK, not <list of many other countries>, not the CDC, not Trump and definitely not governors such as Cuomo, who's nursing home strategy now has placed firmly the blame for the deaths of more New Yorkers than Osama bin Laden firmly on his shoulders.

But most of all, this is on China. You can keep talking about it and use whatever words you want, I know you really, really want to blame Trump for this and no matter what you say, it just won't stick...and that fact will never change.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2020-08-24 10:16:59
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OPINION PIECE!

Signs of a Coming Trump Victory

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Don't kid yourself. Don't be fooled by the bravado. Democrats behind the scenes are scared and getting more desperate by the day because there are so many signs of a coming Donald Trump victory.

The signs are everywhere.

Polls show an overwhelming majority of Americans don't want to defund police. They want law and order. They support police. Even 80 percent of black voters overwhelmingly disagree with defunding police.

Does anyone with a brain or common sense think this is a good sign for Joe Biden or Democrats? Do you think all these Americans who support the police, want more law and order, and want more police funding are leaning to "law and order Trump" or "defund the police Joe Biden"?

Polls show 83 percent of Americans support President Trump and Housing and Urban Development Secretary Dr. Ben Carson's ending of former President Obama's program designed to fill the suburbs with high-density low-income housing, bringing crime and drugs to the neighborhoods of suburban moms and dads.

Does anyone with a brain or common sense think this is a good sign for Biden or Democrats? Do you think these millions of suburban American homeowners who don't want to see their home value destroyed or their neighborhood turned into war zones like Chicago, Detroit or Baltimore are going to vote enthusiastically for Joe Biden?

Remember, Biden's presidential platform actually puts in writing his goal to supercharge Obama's "destroy the suburbs" program. Biden wants to bring Frankenstein back to life, except twice as big. Goodbye to your safe, peaceful suburban life. Trump wants to protect your neighborhood. I wonder who suburban moms and dads will vote for.

But there are more signs.

The race to escape the big-city crime wave, rioting, and looting is accelerating at warp speed. Ask any suburban realtor. Ask any moving company. Everyone with any kind of ability to move is "getting out of Dodge." The escape from Democratic-controlled big cities is so huge it is the trend of 2020.

Even liberal New Yorkers are running for their lives. Shootings in New York City were up 76 percent from Jan. 1 to Aug. 2, compared with the same period in 2019. Murders are skyrocketing. The purchase of body armor such as bulletproof vests is reportedly up by over 80 percent in NYC. You think these people are voting for Biden?

But it's not just New York. Everyone is selling their homes and moving away from every Democratic big city -- Chicago, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Seattle, Portland, Minneapolis. Defund police? The only group getting defunded is Democratic politicians and government bureaucrats. Bye-bye to tax revenues.

Does anyone with a brain or common sense think this is a good sign for Biden or Democrats? Do you really believe most of these people are running for their lives from deep-blue Democratic cities for the safety of red Republican suburbs just so they can vote for Biden and the Democrats?

According to Rasmussen, 72 percent of likely voters are concerned about the growing violent protests nationwide. Sixty-two percent say it will affect their vote. Do you think this is a good sign for Democrats who support the Black Lives Matter and antifa movements and claim there is no violence?

And then there's the guns. America is selling out of guns. And bullets, too. Since COVID-19 and the rioting struck, practically every gun and bullet in this country has been bought up. All-time gun sale records have been broken month after month. Everyone is locked and loaded.

Does anyone with a brain or common sense think this is a good sign for Biden or Democrats? Do you think any of these record-setting gun buyers is voting for Basement Biden, Kamala Harris, and former Rep. Beto O'Rourke, Biden's gun czar who would be in charge of forcefully taking away our guns?

Then there's Harris. CNN's latest poll shows a 21-point shift away from Biden among non-white voters after he picked Harris as vice president. Yes, I said non-white voters.

Finally, there's the Democratic National Convention. After hearing from all the big guns -- Michelle and Barack Obama; Bill and Hillary Clinton; Jill Biden; and Harris -- Thursday's Rasmussen poll shows Trump moving from 47% to 51% approval. Clearly, the more Democrats speak, the more voters are repelled.

Remember when then-President Jimmy Carter led Republican nominee Ronald Reagan by 10 points during the summer of 1980? Reagan won in a historic landslide.

Remember when Democratic nominee Michael Dukakis was up by 17 points over Republican nominee George H.W. Bush after the Democratic convention? Bush won the electoral vote 426 to 111.

Don't look now ... but it's about to happen again. The signs are everywhere. Trump is about to win in an electoral landslide.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2020-08-24 10:36:00
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Garuda.Chanti said: »
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I'm actually 100% certain the virus was not Trump's fault. It was his response to it that was lacking.
Fine, something we can talk about. Care to compare his response to certain governors, such as Cuomo and Newsom?
I would rather compare it to other world leaders but if you insist...

Trump. US president. Deaths 176K, cases 5.68M. Population 328.2m. Deaths / 100K people 51.90.

Cumo. NY governor. Deaths 32,464, cases 434K. Population 19.45m. Deaths / 100K people 169.

Newsom. CA governor. Deaths 12,137, cases 665k. Population 39.51m. Deaths / 100K people 30.

Abbott. TX governor. Deaths 11,650, cases 559K. Population 29m. Deaths / 100K people 39.

DeSantis. FL governor. Deaths 10,273, cases 598k. Population 21,48m. Deaths / 100K people 47.

All of the deaths are under reported but we know FL is actively fudging the figures.
You know, that is very unfair. You are attributing every state's deaths to Trump...
How do I attribute blame? These are raw stats.

There is a Trump Death Clock out there that attributes blame but it doesn't blame Trump for all the deaths, it carefully parses the stats for deaths that were preventable.

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Note the date on the clock, 5/18/2020.

8/24/2020
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Trump Death Clock
105,241
Estimated U.S. COVID-19 Deaths Due To POTUS Inaction

In January 2020, the Trump administration was advised that immediate action was required to stop the spread of COVID-19. According to NIAID Director Dr. Anthony Fauci, “there was a lot of pushback” to this advice. President Trump declined to act until March 16th. Experts estimate that, had mitigation measures been implemented one week earlier, 60% of American COVID-19 deaths would have been avoided. (For further reading, click here).
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By Garuda.Chanti 2020-08-24 10:37:53
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Further reading:

The Trump Pandemic
A blow-by-blow account of how the president killed thousands of Americans.

Slate

Again, I attribute nothing. The author of the article does.
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By Asura.Saevel 2020-08-24 10:45:36
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Polls show 83 percent of Americans support President Trump and Housing and Urban Development Secretary Dr. Ben Carson's ending of former President Obama's program designed to fill the suburbs with high-density low-income housing, bringing crime and drugs to the neighborhoods of suburban moms and dads.


This is something I never understood, did they think poor families would suddenly become successful if only they lived near middle class families? Do the liberals think that if they took a bunch of section 8 welfare mommas and put their kids in a middle class suburban schools that the children would suddenly develop "white privilege" characteristics like hard work, determination, goal setting, and success?

All that would happen is crime rates would go up and the middle class would move again and those previously suburban neighborhoods would turn into ghettos. Success doesn't happen by osmosis or chance, no matter how much progressives want to believe it does.

There are three things required to achieve upward social mobility.

Graduate High School
Don't have children in school or outside of a stable relationship
Don't have a criminal record

Having two of these is enough for a semi-stable life with a decent shot at a positive outcome. Having one or none practically guarantees a life of poverty and government subsistence.
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By volkom 2020-08-24 10:48:09
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Didn't Trump issue the travel ban on china back in early Feb? And didn't the CDC start quarantining people from specific international flights late January?

Also didn't the dems (like Biden) call the early travel bans issue by trump, initially, that it was hysteria and xenophobic?
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2020-08-24 10:53:19
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Garuda.Chanti said: »
Strange, the maker of that website, along with other news outlets, base their theories on an opinion piece that contains no scientific studies at all. It doesn't even state how they figured "...an estimated 90 percent of the cumulative deaths in the United States from Covid-19, at least from the first wave of the epidemic, might have been prevented by putting social distancing policies into effect two weeks earlier..."

So, are we supposed to take the word of a couple of nobodies who have no studies out on this subject, and are only recognized due to their narrative and the Times low bar on editorials?

I mean, they destroyed their own ideals themselves.

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The absolute numbers are largely beside the point. No model is a crystal ball, and there is far too much uncertainty in the trajectory of the U.S. epidemic to conclude that a certain prediction will be borne out.

Basically, they are saying the following:

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We cannot prove what we are saying is true, but since we believe it, we must conclude that 60-90% of COVID deaths are because Orange Man Bad!

That is the very premise of their argument, and that is also the very premise of that "Trump Death Clock" you posted.

The article even stated that a large portion of the deaths at the time is attributed to NY and their policies. Last I checked, the Trump policy has been to shutdown travel from China, quarantine some passengers from a cruise ship to Randolph Brooks Air Force Base in San Antonio, and have states made the main decisions for their citizens, while the federal government handles the overall national picture (aka getting supplies to the states).

The tl;dr version of all this is: Both the website you quoted and the opinion piece that is associated with it failed to do show any evidence as to their assertion that ~60% of all COVID deaths is Trump's fault.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2020-08-24 10:53:46
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volkom said: »
Didn't Trump issue the travel ban on china back in early Feb? And didn't the CDC start quarantining people from specific international flights late January?

Also didn't the dems (like Biden) call the early travel bans issue by trump, initially, that it was hysteria and xenophobic?
The China travel ban was January 31st.
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By Asura.Saevel 2020-08-24 10:53:47
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volkom said: »
Didn't Trump issue the travel ban on china back in early Feb? And didn't the CDC start quarantining people from specific international flights late January?

Also didn't the dems (like Biden) call the early travel bans issue by trump, initially, that it was hysteria and xenophobic?

Yep, they called Trump a racist because he wanted to shut down travel from China to the USA. The Democrats even went out and encouraged everyone to participate in Seollal or the Lunar New Year which is a really big thing in Asia (ignorant folks call is the Chinese new year).

Later when it came out that the virus originated in China and was spread to the world primarily through internal travel from China, well the Democrats had selective amnesia and blamed Trump.

Again the entire Democrat positive can be explained as

Democrats Good
Republicans Bad
Orange Man VERY BAD!!!
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2020-08-24 10:56:53
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volkom said: »
And didn't the CDC start quarantining people from specific international flights late January?
Randolph Brooks Air Base in San Antonio. We received all of the COVID-19 patients in San Antonio right at the beginning, until New York *** us all over.
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Strange, the maker of that website, along with other news outlets, base their theories on an opinion piece that contains no scientific studies at all. It doesn't even state how they figured "...an estimated 90 percent of the cumulative deaths in the United States from Covid-19, at least from the first wave of the epidemic, might have been prevented by putting social distancing policies into effect two weeks earlier..."

So, are we supposed to take the word of a couple of nobodies who have no studies out on this subject, and are only recognized due to their narrative and the Times low bar on editorials?

I mean, they destroyed their own ideals themselves.

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The absolute numbers are largely beside the point. No model is a crystal ball, and there is far too much uncertainty in the trajectory of the U.S. epidemic to conclude that a certain prediction will be borne out.

Basically, they are saying the following:

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We cannot prove what we are saying is true, but since we believe it, we must conclude that 60-90% of COVID deaths are because Orange Man Bad!

That is the very premise of their argument, and that is also the very premise of that "Trump Death Clock" you posted.

The article even stated that a large portion of the deaths at the time is attributed to NY and their policies. Last I checked, the Trump policy has been to shutdown travel from China, quarantine some passengers from a cruise ship to Randolph Brooks Air Force Base in San Antonio, and have states made the main decisions for their citizens, while the federal government handles the overall national picture (aka getting supplies to the states).

The tl;dr version of all this is: Both the website you quoted and the opinion piece that is associated with it failed to do show any evidence as to their assertion that ~60% of all COVID deaths is Trump's fault.


So putting this together, according to their own logic, Democrats are responsible for 60-90% of COVID deaths.

This is because those States with the majority of COVID deaths have Democrat governments, Democrat Governors and those cities have Democrat Mayors.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2020-08-24 11:11:56
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So putting this together, according to their own logic, Democrats are responsible for 60-90% of COVID deaths.

This is because those States with the majority of COVID deaths have Democrat governments, Democrat Governors and those cities have Democrat Mayors.
Well...

I mean, sure we could have somebody separate out the states who are run by democrats vs. Republicans, but that's not exactly a useful exercise. Especially since we all know what the end result is anyway. Well, those of us who aren't embedded in partisan rhetoric so far that they cannot see anything but their party's statements.

To be fair though, the more dense the population is, the more cases/deaths you will find in that area. It has little to do with the political affiliation of said government. Those cases/deaths would be high regardless, the only question is how high it would be if certain policies were put in place, like, say, oh, not forcing nursing home to take in sick patients where the spread will most likely kill the healthy(ish), etc.
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The whole concept of the “death clock” is utter nonsense. It’s pseudoscience and not even worth a debate.
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He has no plan to combat the virus. His narrow "travel ban" did nothing in February, and it certainly isn't doing anything now. Why does he still talk about it? The virus is here, its not going anywhere, why even mention his "travel ban?" Its completely irrelevant, yet we constantly hear about it.

And this is China's fault. The more we learn, we find out each time that China knew about Covid a tad earlier than we had thought, then a tad earlier, then earlier...I would not be surprised when all is said and done they had known about this since the start of 2019, but as of now, we do know officially they knew since August of 2019.

There is nothing official about this opinion. I saw the bogus study that said China knew about covid in August because there were more cars at hospitals and google searches went up. Not very scientific.

Besides, the window to blame China passed months ago. Trump's narrow "travel ban" that limited entry from Wuhan, but not Hong Kong or other regions, didn't amount to anything. And the fact that he followed it up with a month of inaction pretty much erased whatever effects the ban might have had.

The virus is here, Trump's policies and rhetoric have sought to keep it here and speed up the spread and those policies have worked. He doesn't have any policies to actually slow the spread or keep people safe. His strategy seems to be to just wait for a miracle cure. In the meantime, die.

His latest failure was the push to reopen schools for in person learning. That idea is dead. The school districts that were dumb enough to try it are shutting down in the first week. Even universities are closing it down. I wonder how fast Trump will abandon that idea, or maybe he will continue to threaten to withhold funding.
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Bahamut.Ravael said: »
The whole concept of the “death clock” is utter nonsense. It’s pseudoscience and not even worth a debate.
That's not the point of the death clock.

It's to feed false information to the masses in hopes to influence them into making misinformed decisions. Why else do you think they paraded that clock to Trump's Tulsa Rally?

It's not factual at all, it was never meant to be factual, it is disguised as "factual" by using opinions of people who would have never had a voice if they supported the President at all.
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