Election 2020 The Horse Race (Not Misspelled)

my parents couldn't vote until the Reagan election ~ so nah still blaming yours

Wait, what?

If it as common as you state, why don't you prove it.

But yes, please "prove" that every single one of my points mentioned is a "false accusation". I will be happy to retort on every single one of your assertions. Are you prepared to do that?

If your parents' 1st election was between 2nd Reagan and Bush43's 1st (1984-2000), blame us for not doing anything after OUR parents did the 60's. We had role models for action, and preferred to sit on our butts. That's at least my shame in regards to what I am part of that MY kids' generation has to fix.

My parent's first eligible election was the Carter/Ford election. Also interestingly enough, it was the last time Texas voted for a democrat.

What?

Besides, why bother blaming our parents anyway? You should never emulate your parents, especially their political viewpoints.

The only actions you are responsible for are your own.

My first election I voted for was 2000.

What is there to prove? ODS comes up constantly, and you guys always claim ignorance. Not just that, what exactly did you prove? Nothing. Just more swings and misses at Obama and the left. We get it, Obama makes a great speech, it enrages Trump, you guys go into full spin mode to back him. The best part is, you accuse the left of "tribalism." Everytime.

A post. A link to a post. Hell, you can quote it for all I care.

Just show your work.

I do not believe a word that come out of your keyboard. I never have, and I never will, without proof.

Do you really want me to prove every single assertion I made? Before I waste the next 30 minutes of my life doing this, since I know you, I have to ask the following question: Will you accept the evidence?

I mean, everything I stated is common knowledge. Not even CNN is refuting any of this. Only hardcore liberals such as you who refuse to face reality are denying any of what I said.

Also, please don't get this thread locked because of your pigheadedness Vic. You already got the last 2 threads locked because of your inability and unwillingness to accept reality.

lol, your baseless accusations against me never get old. Not accepting your opinions is not the same as not accepting "reality." Keep pretending that everything that comes off of your keyboard is something more than just your opinion. Bolding opinions has never, at any point, elevated them. Claiming things to be "common knowledge" doesn't make it so.

I didn't get any threads locked either, that was a funny accusation tho. Keep up those swings and misses at Obama and "the left."

My first was 2000 as well. And no, I did not mean to emulate their beliefs, but merely their dedication in a specific era where much was accomplished and the momentum of the country was effectively moved by a motivated new generation. They shifted the country from the post-WW2 Eisenhower world to the Civil Rights movement and all the tension and change that accompanied it.

I don't understand you Vic.

I mean, what exactly is your argument?

First off, you refuse to show your evidence that Obama Derangement Syndrome is a topic discussed frequently as you asserted.

Next, you think that criticism of Obama and his policies don't exist, and anything posted against Obama is really ODS (it's not).

Then, you think that you had nothing to do with getting threads locked, which, and I equally guilty of this too, our banter back and forth over petty differences is the very reason why threads get locked.

I admit, I play an equal part of getting threads locked. I do not want more threads to get locked. So, please, all I ask you is to stop your baseless, fantasy "no u!" defense you always put up.

I want to debate you on topics. Every now and then, and lately it has become decreasingly rare, you actually make points about ***. Those times, you and I actually have meaningful discussions. And I enjoy those.

This is not one of them. Your "no u!" retorts are what cause threads to be closed. My responses to them mainly try to stick to the original points but they almost always devolve into "no u!" retorts also, which is my fault. I try my absolute best to keep to the topic at hand but your willingness to act like a child throwing a tantrum in the middle of the store is really the major cause of these issues.

Please, for everyone's sake, make better, educated, and factual retorts. Let's have a discussion, not a ***-throwing fest.

Actually, I think it was our grandparents and, in some cases, our great-grandparents who made such shifts.

But that's the thing about society. It always changes, and sometimes not for the better, as we are finding out today.

no doubt- but as I look at it, my dad was in his 20s during the mid-60s, and my mom was just graduating high school (I'm 42). And it was that generation of college students that led the push for a very different America than our grandparents, the WW2 generation, left.

I know we're all different ages here, some in their twenties, some pushin 60^^ So using terms like "parents" probably results in confusion vs using specific markers like "Baby Boomers, 60s generation, Gen X", etc.

I just see the action of those in the mid-60s, and I see the action happening right now. And I just don't recall seeing such things in the United States throughout the 80s and 90s, even when the issues being raised now certainly existed then (race, women's rights, climate concerns, abuse of power all come to mind). But hey, I'll be the first to admit that growing up 80s and 90s was pretty damn peaceful compared to the generation prior AND after. And stability produces complacency.

2 things are probably the reason why you didn't see such things:

1) 24/7 News Networks and the Internet was not in existence back then. Sure, CNN was started in 1980, but 24/7 news wasn't a huge thing, and CNN didn't have the reporting biases then as it does today.
2) Most news was local. It didn't start until the mid to late 1990s when national news started engulfing our lives as it does today.

So, issues like what you mentioned did not plague our lives as much as it does today, where everyone and their cats have an opinion on such issues as the 12k troop reduction in Germany, to make an example.

Uh, I'm not gonna go do deep dives into dead threads looking for all the times ODS has come up. But rest assured, its not a new topic. I believe the last time it came up, it was someone from your side making the same claim of ignorance that they had never heard of it, and we were just copying TDS. When in reality, Bush Derangement syndrome was what started it all. I remember Rooks was there as well, talking about BDS. I'm sure it was Hideka making that bogus claim, that was his entire tenure here.

But yes KN, you have ODS. Everytime Obama comes up, you go off on a tangent about him, making ***up. I mean, I get it, you have to. No one spins up Trump more than Obama, so naturally his followers feel the same way. I know it bothers the *** out of you guys that no one spied on the Trump campaign. No one wiretapped Trump Tower, no one listened to Trump on the phone, nothing. The Senate just finished confirming these things, but that won't stop Trump and his crew from absolutely screaming it.

Wow, you dropping accusations of tribalism on anyone else is grade-A nonsense. And false accusations against Obama? Are you kidding me? Since when have false accusations against a president been a problem for you?

I mean, the Rodney King riots were pretty intense in the early 90s. The OJ Simpson trial was also round the clock. The OKC bombing at the time that it happened was probably the worst bombing ever, the Atlanta Olympic bombing and the subsequent scandal. Columbine had a dramatic affect on schools. The 90s were certainly a prosperous time, but we still had a lot of violent things happening.

the round the clock news cycle no doubt has a role. If for no other reason than they gotta put something on TV, hence why a "little" story can go viral today and it likely wouldn't have even seen the light of day then.

In regards to your comment of local vs national news, I'll have to disagree. The 6:30 National News was still a VERY big thing in the 80s and 90s, and dates all the way back to the early 60s with Walter Cronkite being one of our first truly "national" voices. It was only 30 minutes, but gathering around for the national news was many's only access to stories outside their hometown- it was MORE important (and more truncated/whitewashed, yes) because it was limited.

That limited national news vs the overwhelming presence we now face is a much bigger factor than "most news was local". But major news still was known nationally. The biggest difference I see in how that 24/7 cycle has changed us is by saturating us, it makes news look bigger than it really is. If a story runs on 6 networks, 50 online entities, and they all spam it for 3 days straight, all of a sudden that 12k troop reduction in Germany feels like the Wall coming down.

My accusation of tribalism was a direct response to KN's bogus accusations of tribalism. So you both can sit down with any thought of your side being less tribalistic than mine. I mean if Rooks comes in here and sees one side accusing the other of tribalism, and the accusation is coming from KN, how do you envision that going? I'm not taking the blame for that either.

Oh, is this just one of those roundabout ways of acknowledging the Left’s faults by saying the Right is just as bad? On one hand, yes, both sides have similar problems, but you also need to acknowledge that each side is worse in certain aspects than the other. It’s literally impossible for them to be 100% equal in any category, so acknowledging that the Left is worse at something will not kill you.

See, this is what I'm saying.

I do not "make ***up". I source my arguments. I make my opinions known, but I do not make any statement that I'm not willing to back up with evidence stating my assertion.

I made this point back in 2009. I did it in 2016.

It's not a rare occurrence. At least not for me.

But seriously Vic, you quoted my post but you failed to read any of it. Good job!

aight- I think I've solved 2020. New ticket, new party.

Colin Powell/Keanu Reeves.

Please, try and find a flaw in that partnership of two Most Excellent Human Beings :)

If we are going to play that game, my vote would be Goku/Superman.

sorry I needed a giggle. And the idea of Keanu Reeves (The Bill and Ted Keanu Reeves) doing air guitar whist standing next to Colin Powell in full military uniform is too good.

The ODS vs. TDS argument requires extreme cognitive dissonance to make. Again, there were obviously people who had an irrational hatred for Obama just like there are for Trump. That being said, practically every major study on the subject has shown 90% or more coverage of Trump has had a negative tilt. Obama had much more favorable coverage and, to a lesser extent, so did Dubya. If it reflected their approval numbers then I would understand, but it’s not even close to correlating fairly. We could go down the line of anecdotal evidence to fight this out, but good luck finding any objective metric to back up your argument that ODS was worse.

Henry Winkler (in character as the Fonz) and Christopher Walken.

Vic's assertion is that ODS is discussed often, and that anything and everything that he doesn't agree with is "made up" or "a bunch of false accusations" without even presenting one shred of evidence towards any of it.