June 2020 Version Update

Whoa those didn't skip that stuff still suck at this game lol. You got people on war forum talking about how nagel isn't its best weapon right now when on paper it is sadly so idk. Damn if you do damn if you don't. People will learn only if they let themselves learn.

People who can't / won't play whm are ***tier players tbh.

There are so many ways to make gil as a new player, if you're arguing sparks nerf is hurting new players with some REMAs pushing 300m+ with the current economy you're a *** moron lol

Oh maybe I was confused. I guess two arguments here.

Can you become endgame ready on 2m a week? Yes. How fast do you need to be endgame ready? It shouldn't be a week after buying the game. Some of us that have nice things have been playing since launch.

There needs to be a disclaimer that this game takes time to get there.

The other point I was making is that a new player should expect to spend significantly more time per week and the hours of gain exp... significantly more if they want all the shinies and such.

Gil can still be farmed in the millions. But its relative to your invested time. Spend more time farming is all, other content.

This maybe the dumbest thing I've seen posted in awhile lol.

Yeah, that's true, there are no guarantees, but even a mental stump will tend to absorb a few things thru pure repetition.

Goalposts moved again.

You went from "a new player can get to endgame on 2m a week" to "a new player can get to endgame on 2m a week with connections" to "A new player can get to endgame on 2m a week with connections provided theyre on a shitty job that doesnt need expensive gear OR A new player a can get to older outdated endgame on 2m a week"

Guess I'm ***tier, oh well.

hate the fact that when you log out it jumps to this screen..i'm sure i'm going to end up deleting a character by accident in my drunken sleepiness

A fresh 99 player shouldn't be doing DDyna or OU. Im certainly confused.

You are dismissing other endgame activites because you personally don't find them relevant.

Stop trying to give the best things to people that haven't earned them yet.

endgame is way more than the 2 hardest content your referencing (im sure to inflate your point?)

a freshly geared group of 6 99s can clear enough ambu to cap on sellables doing nothing more than VE ambu. Which is millions and millions of gil. SE gives you 30ish days to do this.

t.i.m.e. investment

it will take you more time. of course. as it should.

The goalposts were never moved. The conversation was about 2m per week, not 2m and no more. That is still wholly sufficient to get into endgame. New players aren't going to be jumping into endgame in a single week, so that gil will add up over time very easily while they are farming a bunch of Rare/Ex gear that costs them nothing but time.

All the arguments about farming extra (with or without help) was about getting additional funds for upgrades you may want, but not necessarily need, depending on whom you play with.

I digress.

Bahamut.Celebrindal is much better at explaining career progession than I am.

nope.nope.nope.

i'm trying over here.. thanks for the assist!

On the title screen, click Config. Then set it to log you out to "Select Character" instead.

Imagine being a new player, everyones doing OU and Dyna-D, and you're stuck farming Skirmish cause you gotta catch up through progression. Except since skirmish pops are no longer farmed, they have to farm the pops on their own.

two years later, they've maybe caught up.

Name one MMO where you should completely ignore progression and jump into top tier endgame one or two weeks after starting the game. Gear aside, new players won't even have the necessary skills to deal with that content.

Even with unnerfed Sparks/Accos new players have never gone straight for Ou and Dyna-D without significant help.

I'd just like to interject that maybe people shouldn't be starting this game anymore and let it die. That's just a hot take not a argument starter. I understand that literally all of you disagree, you don't need to tell me.

Damn... SE nerfed new players to oblivion...2 mil is literally nothing... hahahahaha...

Oh well... can't wait for those 20m rostams

I dont disagree, other than the "let it die". I cant imagine that there are that many new players to XI.

Where is this statistic from that in order to participate in DDyna or OU?

Explain to me in an MMO... where 6 new players would be tackling the hardest game content?

The concept is to team up.. Why can't these 6 players shout and create an alliance of 18?

Your opinions are extreme to prove your points.

Every single concept you have goes back to a mentality of wanting things in the fastest manner possible. Just go buy your gil then and have all the shinies in a week?

This game does not cater to the thought of giving new players the best things.

Name a game that you've played that on day one you fight the final boss? or expect to win it?

It takes a significant time investment. New players to this game need to understand that you will spend countless hours bored/farming/solo whatever if you dont team up and join other people in masses.

If you're a 6man new party clearing OU.. theres a higher chance your cheating and trying to hide it.

This one is debatable. I've known people who love healing jobs and that's what they aimed for first thing. Is it common? Not really since 75% or more people want to be DD jobs.


I don't... only because I got burnt out playing it for years back in the 75 era. I hope that doesn't make me triple asterisk tier :(

Wouldn't take any of the later seriously lmao

That was a much bigger nerf than hoping but not surprising, think they should have limited it by the day but het.

Well, yeah. You're making dumb arguments too.

Im actually very excited about this. I'm on fenrir. Perhaps the auction house will actually have materials on it now.

New players should get to 75 and be camping Fafhogg, they dont deserve to be in current endgame content. Progression!

hahaha !

I mean they could... but you can make gil much faster doing the events I mentioned.

You are upset because these events are beneath you. I am pointing out that not everyone feels that entitled.

Embrace it, don't reject it. You aren't the only one in this world that thinks that way.

The problem with the progression events, is that they're kinda trash now. Take skirmish for instance, it was the bees knees when it came out, could make good gil from it, but now, trying to get people to do it isn't easy. Add in the fact that stackables are in 99s now, augments aren't done in the amount they used to, and a good chunk of stones are cheap, it's not a viable progressive event.

Delve won't be easy for new players, and by new players I mean ones that don't get their hands held. Let's face it, it was tough when it came out, what makes it any different for new players? For experienced players, it's a cakewalk that leads to easy gil.

The easiest and fastest progression is getting Ru'Aun now. Between that and spending Domain Invasion points on Abjurations and Reisen gear, farming gil looks better and better.

Do I think 2m/week is enough to get to endgame? No.
Do I think that farming more than that is needed? Absolutely.
Do I think that current endgame (Omen/DynaD/etc) requires baseline endgame gear? Yes.

My problem is that any current event that gives anything worthwhile to sell requires at least a standard baseline of gear. If a new player is used to making 6m/week from sparks, then has to resort to selling fire clusters for 100k/stack, that *** sucks.

UR ***CUZ UR MAKING DUM ARGUMENTS 2

Duly noted.