June 2020 Version Update

Why? Your goal is something you can buy or farm? Whats it matter how you farmed it?

Bismark has wind clusters selling at 100k a stack and average 13 a day

thats 1m+ a day from short work with zero gear requirements.

You sound like a rich kid who's dad just cut their allowance.


p.s.. my PUP uses 5/5 taeon gear for winning endgame things all the time

Spoken like the guy who has no idea how economics work. What happens when you increase the supply of something? In this case, you're suggesting a drastic increase.

Of the last 25 sales, there are 5 people who made those sales:
Agashi x1
Farak x5
Fgo x6
Hinami x9
Zangetsu x4

Imagine having to rely on pup to do endgame...

Ewwwwwwww

Please reread my post where I don't farm sparks. Nothing has been taken away from me, I'm only advocating for the little guy. My sparks have been capped for weeks, and I cared so much that I let my accolades idle at 99k last night....zero *** given from me.

My main point was arguing that 2m/week wasn't enough. Why are you bringing up the fact that you have to farm more? It feels like you're agreeing with me, while at the same time disagreeing.

I kind of want to start a new character just to test this all out...

So add in 5 new players farming wind clusters. The amount of stacks available will increase fivefold. You think that price will remain 100k?

I don't think your advocating for the little guy. Else you're doing a bad job at it. I have never once met/helped a new player that wasnt significantly more greatful for it all.

For the majority that stick to ffxi long enough to hit 99, they arent rage quitting because they can't do DDyna in the first week.

Maybe im skewed because fenrir is very relaxed?

Asura has wind clusters @ 150k a stack and 40 sell daily. I bet that have ALOT more farming them than bismark.

everything is relative.

You should try accept/understanding instead of immediate rejection to concept.

Even you have to realize how disingenuous this is.

Why are we even talking about Skirmish at this point?

You can do any or all of the following to gear up that cost practically zero or very little gil for new players or groups consisting of new players:

- Deeds of Heroism
- daily Domain Invasion
- T1-T2 Geas Fete in Zi'Tah, Ru'aun and later on in Reisenjima (just fight whatever you can handle at your gear level)
- lower tier Ambuscade and get gear from Total Hallmarks
- spend excess Accolades on farming Unity NMs (target the easy ones to start with) and open chests on THF in Odyssey to augment
- farm Omen cards for AF upgrades and detritus (these sell for a ton) with the help of Trusts
- do your monthly AMAN Trove and possibly get super lucky
- single path Sinister Reign or team up for regular SR
- farm Lilith on VE with a basic THF
- do RoEs and work on reforging AF/Relic/Empyrean to +1 (Macrocosmic orbs are very doable with a group of newer players)

None of that requires you to ever look at Skirmish and a lot of these events reward you with gear that make only augmented Skirmish for situational stuff (i.e. Enhancing, Phalanx or pet stuff) still relevant. For general gearing you don't need any of it, so you can postpone farming Skirmish until you are decently geared.

Asura also has an order of magnitude more demand for clusters than Bismarck.

To be fair, the hypothetical new/returning player trying to progress all on their own before suddenly showing up for high end content has seen things get a LOT easier.

At one point, sure, the logical progression from donning 117 Sparks stuff was to go to Skirmish and the like, because that's what was feasible to do. There really was a big gap to clear unless you could get help (paid or not).

Now though, for better or worse, folks in that position can opt to spend DI points that take basically no effort to obtain. It's not overnight, sure, and not necessarily an ideal use of the points...but it might be the most effective use of them for some.

Correct sir! That's exactly why my very next statement was "Everything is relative"

Huh?

i'm not sure about where you play

but 5 taeon pups and a cor are clearing wave2 bosses in all zones on fenrir.

I think its fun to imagine the extreme scenarios of SE trying to stop RMT. What if they decided to limit the amount of HTBF you can do per week to 75 merit points spent on key items, because of plutons/beitetsu/boulders or outright selling equipment. If a player in your party is both job master and holds 500/500 job points, monsters will yield extremely reduced capacity points to anyone in party. That'd be pretty silly

Its even easier now. Players can ilvl gear without even leaving mhaura (except for KI). some of the most OP weapons/armor in the game can be obtained in a singular day... solo with 5 trusts

Which doesn't counter his point at all, because you'd have to scale the supply increase based on population to have a good comparison when talking about how viable a farming strategy would be with a change in popularity.

A fivefold increase in supply is going to affect a small server like Bismarck roughly the same as a fivefold increase on a big server.

thnx

I agree; I will also argue that a small server like bismark (fenrir has 500 max daily) is not going to have x5 of a singular item increase either. It works both ways.

The wind cluster is the first example i found and the fastest. There are 1000s of things out there that can be farmed.

You're probably kidding so I won't respond too seriously. I'm just going to state that PUP is f'in awesome endgame.

I'm going to go back to catching more RMT tears.

i hate pup tank in dyna. last one i did a run/war asked me to come geo. whats the point.

I was not joking that 5 Taeon PUPS and a cor are clearing wave 2 boss. Im very serious.

I'm just really *** confused. I'm saying 2m/week isn't enough to get to endgame and being crucified for it. Yet I'm being presented different ways to make gil that can get you to endgame.....?????

Ambuscade, Omen, SR all require more than sparks gear for new players. T1 NMs is the only viable option.

You guys are literally saying you need to farm more than 2m/week.

What would happen if that supply jumped to 200?

Ambuscade was an option even before DI, and can be a good one. It just tends to be very grindy for those starting at the bottom. A fresh 99 grinding away solo towards even a +1 set and Kaja weapon is likely spending a ton of time in the month just to do that. Someone showing up to DI for a few minutes before getting back to missions or whatnot isn't.

The better answer to all of it is get an LS, ask for help, have stuff that would have taken weeks get knocked out in 45 minutes...but the solo option is nice to have regardless.

I would farm something else.

The underlying problem is your will to do it.

Instead you're coming up with all these excuses why you can't

Well enjoy your sparks nerf.. you'll either change your atitude or you'll change your game.

Completely agree with this. I also don't find ambuscade to be grindy. But I also leveled my blm to 75 on nothing more than ancient magic kills on pets so....

New players...

Waits 4 to 6 months before coming back...

Deflation of the economy will be worth it...

I wouldn't do any big purchases for a while...

These guys dont understand economics lol, and it shows.

I would love to see a lv117 fresh out of lv99 with no JP to solo most OP weapons/armors in the game in a day with 5 trusts.

My brain turned numb after 20+ VE/E v2 and I doubt that would be enough for weapon upgrades.