Let's Start A Riot?!?!

hah i can say for sure i dont want it. guess who is ultimately paying for that insurance? thats right. You and me. mal-enforcement insurance is literally a non-solution.

Qualified immunity as a concept is barely fifty years old and we got along fine without it before. Bringing lawsuits against government officials is a non-trivial process even without it. I don't really see some litigation apocalypse arising out of this.


We don't directly fund police unions, they do, through salary. "But they'll just raise their salaries!" is the expected counter argument here, and sure enough some cities will cave, but not as many as would have a month ago. Incentivize them to behave by putting their own skin in the game. Force them to police their own ranks, no pun intended.

Plus, think of the absolute hilarity that first quote from an insurance underwriter would be. "Yes, Officer Flanagan, your monthly premium is forty-five thousand dollars and eighteen cents. It's due on the 4th. Be seeing ya."

The Atlanta DA just announced they made a decision on charges regarding the Rashard Brooks murder, scheduled a 3 pm conference to talk about it. They could at least tell us right now whether or not charges are coming ...

I appreciate their giving people time to sharpen their pitchforks ahead of the press conference. Very considerate.

you are exactly right. they'll fight to dramatically raise their salaries. they have one of the most ROBUST unions in the entire country. do you really think they wont win that fight? i mean because allowing doctors to be rampantly sued for malpractice did WONDERS for the healthcare system right? it didnt drive up the cost of healthcare to absolute insane heights right?

to put this into perspective- a cop would likely have a malpractice insurance about in line with the cost of a surgeon since their lawsuits could result in similar outcomes of maiming, injury, and death. that insurance goes for about 50,000 a year off the bat. the average officer gross salary is 30-60k a year their net is about 15-30k.

this is why your solution is untenable. we already pay cops dirt, and we want to lump a cost thats practically DOUBLE TO TRIPLE their gross salary per year? theres no physically possible way for this to function. youd have to pay for one cop, what you'd pay for three today. most every intercity PD is already operating on bare bones staffing as it is already.

this is why i say these solutions are no better than just deleting the police.

That's what I was thinking lol. Atlanta DA makes decision on whether or not his city will burn tonight.

if they charge him, they'll have had to disregard every standing law on the books in georgia right now. if hes charged, it will be to appease the mob, and hell quietly win his case out of the public purview.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/jun/16/berkeley-rename-george-washington-thomas-jefferson/


wtf is going on?? ~ sometimes I wish we could turn back time
only a matter of time before we completely rewrite history

Oh yeah, because such a case wouldn't be closely monitored at all.

I mean, that has to be their plan, right? It'd be my plan! "My city can burn, or I can let this get handled in arbitration two months from now. HMMM, DECISIONS."


Not even remotely true, because of the aforementioned strong unions. Police pay is fine, and is regularly supplemented with overtime (end-of-shift arrests are a whole separate problem, and this is part of it).

I think you're overestimating the premiums. They would need insurance with a high coverage, yes, but they're not surgeons, and they are not expected to be in life-and-death situations all the time. Insurance costs are a function of risk severity - which isn't dissimilar - and risk frequency, which IS quite dissimilar.

I mean, the insurance industry itself is really good at this kind of thing; they'd price it appropriately to both cover themselves (because they've got to make money on this) and stay competitive price-wise (because they want those juicy contracts).

Healthcare costs look like a fair enough comparison, but in truth they are a completely different problem, as they really only have the illusion of being a free market. Insurance companies negotiating with unions would have actual competition.

I mean, sure, but what's the alternative?

My point is there is no way this case is just gonna sneak through the court system, no matter what the charges are, its going to be in the spotlight.

Normally, I would agree, but have you looked around at 2020? We killed an Iranian general less than six months ago! Kim Jong-un faked his death to expose traitors! A sitting president was impeached! ANY of those would have been HOLY ***WTF news for MONTHS any other time, but now? I bet you'd forgotten about at least one of those things before I said it!

(Probably not the impeachment one)

Live: Charges announced in Rayshard Brooks shooting

Fulton County district attorney to announce charging decision:
"based on their conduct after the shooting did not reflect any fear or danger" (kicked after being shot)

"We've concluded Mr.Brooks was running away" Law states: You can not fire upon someone running away.

The Officer said "I got him"

ELEVEN chargers. Felony Murder. 4 charges of Aggravated assault with a deadly weapon (cop shot at witnesses cars). 7 Violations of office (SOP violations) (kicking the victim, taser use, violating arrest protocol etc)

The second officer flipped on the shooter. He's ***, it's a wrap. Life in prison or death.

Just plead guilty. The case is overwhelming, so much new information. You kicked him, stood on top of him, didn't offer medical assistance, one of your rounds went into a bystanders car that they were in, thats aggravated assault on its own. And with the other officer testifying there isn't gonna be an acquittal.

Death penalty is way too extreme though, thats not gonna happen.

I'm all for letting them get their own malpractice insurance, let the unions negotiate with the insurance companies and deal with the hit to the bottom line from Police malfeasance.

That Police Officer might not go to prison for committing felony assault but at least we can make them financially. Should also create peer pressure to not commit felonies like assault, murder, perjury or fabricating evidence.

Lets just all take a moment to let that sink in. Police, the ones charged with upholding the law, needing an incentive to not commit felonies.

One of the facets of Our Insane News Cycle that fascinates me is how much all of us are learning about local politicians.

For instance, the Fulton Co DA.

Hoooo boy.

Not surprising at all. I'm more surprised when you find out someone with access to money DOESN'T steal it.

"We" place ALL our values on literal "worth", absolutely zero shock when something "happens" to money.

Jesus Rooks, how many socks do you have? And.... Why?

They aren't socks! They're all on the same account.

I have a handful of them with dumb names, some politically themed, that I use exclusively for P+R. Mostly I use them so that when I actually post as Rooks, people know I'm in Administrator mode, not fellow-rock-fighter mode.

The dem house bill totally eliminates QI. I think Shumer has a bill that only addresses eliminating QI. (No chance moscow mitch will let it come to the floor though.)

This is why suddenly the republican senate has a police reform bill that does nothing about QI.

It's true that the House bill does address QI reform but I wouldn't use the word eliminate. The Senate Bill is a joke that does a little more than Trump's do nothing EO but nowhere near enough, it's not passing.

Its not supposed to pass. Its a bargaining chip.

Literally everything wrong with politics summed up.

Won't ever pass, only there as a bargaining chip.

This pretty much. Our system is broken.

And the people with the power to fix it, are the same ones tearing it apart.

Point of clarity, it is NOT broken, it's working EXACTLY as intended.

"we" need to stop pretending things are simply "malfunctioning" and address the real issues. Nothing is accidentally "broken", Everything is on purpose or with purpose.

You view a loophole as an oops, when they exist with intent.

Broken for it's original intent, working as intended for the current politic.


But sure play semantics over the word broken.

so wait, the DA charging the Cops in this case, is Charging them with 11 crimes??? i knew he was going to get charged with some degree of murder, because no prosecutor in the world could get that to stick; but he literally charged him with attempted murder on ALL of the cars in the drivethrough??

is he *** insane?

https://www.ajc.com/news/local/gbi-opens-probe-fulton-paul-howard-over-use-nonprofit-funds/cgSq6UgzmHbCfGNJcxMJ6O/

Im reading this article from last month, and hes apparently a potentially crooked DA, whos under several investigations?


so let me get this straight? This DA is under SERIOUS investigation by the police; is about to get primaried and potentially ousted? and he now charges a cop in a case that is PLAINLY a justified shooting under georgia law? and apparently his entire career is based on prosecuting police officers??

im sorry but anyone who says this doesnt stink of BS is a moron. also apparently its been falsely reported that the other cop is testifying against him;

From the other officers lawyer


They claim he kicked the man after shooting him??? I watched the remainder of the video - he kicks the taser away from him. he never kicks him. not even close.

They also claim he fired his taser at him when the suspect was running away, when that is demonstrably false - he is face to face with him less than two feet away when he fired. you can PLAINLY see it on video. he fired his taser before he began running.

then they are apparently charging him for not rendering aid fast enough? Are you kidding me? two minutes? thats not fast enough? He goes over - disarms him, checks on his literally concussed partner, grabs the first aid kit from his cruiser, and performs first aid on him until the ambulance arrives. He performed CPR on him for nearly five minutes once he stopped breathing.

I'm sorry, but i have NEVER seen such a bogus listing of charges in my life.

“Bern’ien Sensation” Where? I am disappoint!