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By Asura.Zidaner 2020-08-20 04:24:51
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Hmmmmm. I guess it would depend on the target. Losing 25% PDT is HUGE. Maybe pre-fight like you said for the regen pot.

As far as DPS goes I would imagine you want Lionheart or even Epeo for that.
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By Asura.Sechs 2020-08-20 08:25:12
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200m for a very strong pre-fight Perpetuance Regen 5 in very specific situations against targets that do not dispel sounds like a pretty big expense of money for something so extremely situational (and hardly relevant, someone else could say)

But then again who am I to judge how people want to spend their money?
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By Asura.Geriond 2020-08-20 09:31:22
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It doesn't have to be restricted to pre-fight perpetuance buffs. For example, you could use it to get a supercharged regen before big pulls in Dynamis-D, or between kills in some Master Trials or Ambuscades.
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By Crossbones 2020-08-20 10:01:06
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If it's not an epeo it goes in the trash.
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By Lakshmi.Watusa 2020-08-20 13:46:28
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Gambits said: »
Lakshmi.Watusa said: »
Crossbones said: »
If not engaged can also swap turms feet for empy feet and flume belt for carby all element belt for more meva.

Is +20 X-element resistance the same as saying +20 Magic Evasion to X-element? Because if so, this would be a MEVA downgrade. Turms +1 feet to Empy +1 feet is a 40 MEVA loss, while Carby belt gives 20-30 resistance to elements.

edit: Woops, there's an additional "All Elements +25" on Empy feet I completely didn't see. This would give more MEVA then, good option for idle!
wut?! am I missing something? Turm feet = 147 ME while empy feet 107+25 = 132 ME...

The MEva loss on feet is offset by +20-30MEVA from being able to switch out Flume Belt for Engraved Belt. You can't keep both Turms Feet +1 and Engraved Belt because you need the -PDT from either slot, so Empy feet allows the tradeoff for a little less MEva on feet slot, still capping PDT, and having belt slot free to add more MEva without needing PDT there.
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By soralin 2020-08-21 07:51:14
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Whats the expected damage output of Epeo (not R15) with Dimidiation spam?

Im using the pretty standard Dimidiation set we've discussed here, quite close to the guides version, but Im missing knobkerrie I think is about it. According to DPS spreadsheet I think Im only like maybe 10% dmg shy of the upper "dream" tier gear. Dimidiation is pretty easy to gear up as a set.

I have Fury + Frailty from my 900 skill dunna geo, and Chaos+Samurai roll from my +5 Cor.

I'm doing only like 10~12K Dimidiation and Resolutions this month on V1 Easy, which seems low.

For comparison, my Excalibur (not R15) paladin is pumping out like 20~23K Savage blades, which is a pretty massive gap. Im clearing V1E about 20% faster with my paladin and it feels like the gap is woefully large.

Is this just normal damage for Epeo, I mean with AM3 up I certainly spam the *** off Dimidiation and I feel like maybe the main gap I am experiencing is because maintaing AM3 on this months ambu is not worth it (since the mobs spam that stupid weapon remove ability which peels off aftermath, ugh)

Is this months ambu just a bad matchup for Mythic weapons, and is more suited for Relics?

Also, am I crazy or do the mamool use the "lock your weapon" attack in response to aftermath? I noticed that if I spam Resolution, they pretty much never use it, but if I spam dimidiation, they keep locking off my weapon over and over.

Whereas on my paladin, I'm spamming Savage Blade (which isnt proccing aftermath on excal), and Ive had entire runs where they didnt lock off my weapon even once.

Anyone else experience this? Should I literally just stick to spamming resolution?
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By Pantafernando 2020-08-21 08:15:39
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Savage Blade has higher ftp than dimi or reso so it synergyze pretty well with WSD.

While you can see the spike dmg from reso and dimi from multiattacks. So AM3 and temper can increase the total output. But i think 20k should be about the highest tier i can reach with capped pdif and AM3 when beating some omen mobs. Do notice though, reso > reso wont make light without lionheart and if doing with epol, you would at least have AM3 before swapping to reso spam.
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By Asura.Shiraj 2020-08-21 08:35:10
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Something sounds wrong there with your swaps or something bud. With Average of 1.5k TP Dimidiation, it should put out something like 20-25k. 3k TP should put out something like 39-45k
Either your set isn't swapping or you are far from attack capped.

Remember that Geomancy is nerfed by 50% on this month's ambuscade. Also that RUN is severely attack starved, even when going /DRK for +39.5% attack boost.
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By soralin 2020-08-21 08:37:33
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Pantafernando said: »
Do notice though, reso > reso wont make light without lionheart and if doing with epol, you would at least have AM3 before swapping to reso spam.

You dont want to do light SCs on this months ambu, half the mobs get healed by it, I spam reso on purpose so I dont SC and heal them.

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Something sounds wrong there with your swaps or something bud. With Average of 1.5k TP Dimidiation, it should put out something like 20-25k. 3k TP should put out something like 39-45k

On what targets are we talking here?

But yeah I dont think I have... ever done 40K Dimidiation, indeed, its always felt super low and I have no idea why.

Edit: Just did a debug test to verify, and as far as I can see my WS set is indeed getting equipped.

Here's what I am currently equipping. Main missing items are Epha ring, Knobkerrie, and Adhemar+1 body
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		<set name="Dimidiation">
			<ammo>Jukukik Feather</ammo>
			<head>Lustratio Cap +1</head>
			<neck>Fotia Gorget</neck>
			<lear>Ishvara Earring</lear>
			<rear>Moonshade Earring</rear>
			<body>Ayanmo Corazza +2</body>
			<hands>Meg. Gloves +2</hands>
			<ring1>Karieyh Ring</ring1>
			<ring2>Ramuh Ring</ring2>
			<back augment="S2554632705633358479">Ogma's Cape</back>
			<waist>Windbuffet Belt</waist>
			<legs>Lustr. Subligar +1</legs>
			<feet>Lustra. Leggings +1</feet>
		</set>
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By Asura.Shiraj 2020-08-21 09:11:06
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soralin said: »
On what targets are we talking here?

But yeah I dont think I have... ever done 40K Dimidiation, indeed, its always felt super low and I have no idea why.

On most targets tbh. Also you have to take into account, each time you kill a Mamool this month, the rest gain DT. It's not a huge amount, but the 6th add will take a lot less damage than the rest.

This is my Dimidiation set, I only really use it when I'm not attack capped or when applying AM3, or soloing/skillchaining.
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    sets.precast.WS['Dimidiation'] = {
		ammo="Knobkierrie",
		head={ name="Herculean Helm", augments={'Accuracy+4 Attack+4','Weapon skill damage +3%','STR+2','Accuracy+12',}},
		body={ name="Herculean Vest", augments={'Pet: DEX+5','"Dbl.Atk."+3','Weapon skill damage +7%','Accuracy+18 Attack+18','Mag. Acc.+2 "Mag.Atk.Bns."+2',}},
		hands="Meg. Gloves +2",
		legs={ name="Lustr. Subligar +1", augments={'Accuracy+20','DEX+8','Crit. hit rate+3%',}},
		feet={ name="Lustra. Leggings +1", augments={'Accuracy+20','DEX+8','Crit. hit rate+3%',}},
		neck="Caro Necklace",
		waist="Grunfeld Rope",
		left_ear="Ishvara Earring",
		right_ear={ name="Moonshade Earring", augments={'Attack+4','TP Bonus +250',}},
		left_ring="Regal Ring",
		right_ring="Ilabrat Ring",
		back={ name="Ogma's cape", augments={'DEX+20','Accuracy+20 Attack+20','DEX+10','Weapon skill damage +10%','Phys. dmg. taken-10%',}},}


Since I haven't really played in a while, I haven't been able to update my set with current stuff, but there is definitely some swaps that can be improved on.
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By soralin 2020-08-21 09:17:28
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Even doing like, Omen on trash with super jacked buffs I maybe absolutely top out at 20k damage on my dimidiation, with AM3 up.

I have no idea why it is so low, whereas Savage Blade on my Pld far far outperforms by a large margin.

Something is funky.
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By Crossbones 2020-08-21 10:08:17
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Rune has dogshit for attack so you're probably not attack capped. Body piece for example has zero attack. Doesn't matter you're doing it on omen trash, you're on a tank job that has no native attack bonus. Idk what rank your epeo is, but it gets an absurd amount of base damage at max rank (I think close to 40 maybe?). Are you subbing drk or blu? Replace ramuh with regal ring, maybe wsd for illabrat. Wouldn't focus on multi attack on dimi as it doesn't transfer ftp,even at R15 those additional hits are worthless. Miss the first hit and do like 6k damage, might as well be nothing so I'd work on getting the average higher (I feel the same way about upheaval), personally.

How much attack do you have on pld in sb set versus rune for dimi set? I don't play pld so idk much about its dps gear.
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By Taint 2020-08-21 11:28:16
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As stated it sounds like an attack problem. RUN takes a ton of attack to really put out DPS.

With that said your RUN probably gets 2 Dimidiations off per 1 savage blade on PLD...PLD sword TP gain is trash, RUN is pretty solid with high delay GSs.
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By Bismarck.Punchmage 2020-08-23 21:44:50
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Considering dropping enmity merits in exchange for SIRD merits so that I can wear more -DT when casting, is this a bad idea?
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By Crossbones 2020-08-23 22:22:30
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Never used enmity merits myself. Always had crit and sird. Then again only thing I use sird for is aquaveil and stoneskin.
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By soralin 2020-08-23 22:25:54
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I typically dont touch the enmity merits at all, because as soon as you want to play a backline or tank job, both on the same char, you get dicked one way or the other.

Crit+SIRD is what I take if I mostly play offensively, and for extremely backline chars (pet jobs, healers, super tanking) I go Crit Taken- and SIRD.

I wouldnt touch enmity personally.
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By soralin 2020-08-23 22:26:46
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Taint said: »
As stated it sounds like an attack problem. RUN takes a ton of attack to really put out DPS.

With that said your RUN probably gets 2 Dimidiations off per 1 savage blade on PLD...PLD sword TP gain is trash, RUN is pretty solid with high delay GSs.

So I did some Checkparams today with respect to this.

Fully buffed up, Im clocking in at about 1450 acc and 3000 attack with everything up, as /drk.

Still topping out at like 20K Dimidiations.
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By Asura.Aller 2020-09-10 08:12:48
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Is the Engraved Belt in the def/VIT supertank set actually worth the trouble?
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By SimonSes 2020-09-10 09:31:34
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soralin said: »
3000 attack

Thats not much if said trash mobs arent debuffed with def down. Trash in Omen have probably above 1000def, so you would need way above 4000 to cap attack without def down debuffs.
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By Gasho 2020-09-13 17:56:18
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noob quetsiong

im trying to get mp out of tenebrae rune,
I have 1 tenebrae and 2 w/e runes, or even only 1 tenebrae
VP wont give me mp, only hp, what is the correct way to do it
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By FaeQueenCory 2020-09-13 18:05:44
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Gasho said: »
noob quetsiong

im trying to get mp out of tenebrae rune,
I have 1 tenebrae and 2 w/e runes, or even only 1 tenebrae
VP wont give me mp, only hp, what is the correct way to do it
There's not a message for it in the normal logs, it just says the HP, but you can see the MP returned in your bar.

But.

If you're actually only getting HP and no MP from Tenebrae rune(s)....
Do you have more than 10 Divine Magic Skill?
Floor(Divine Skill÷10) × (Number of Tenebrae Runes + 1)
So with only 1 Tenebrae, that reduces to:
Floor(Divine Skill÷10) × (2)
But.
With less than 10 skill, that reduces to:
0 × 2 aka 0.

So either you're just not paying attention to your MP bar/mistaken by the log message not mentioning MP; or you have <10 Divine Magic Skill.
With the first, don't worry about it/look closer.
With the latter, always cap your skills.
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By Gasho 2020-09-13 19:38:04
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thanks FaeQueenCory, I ddnt look at my mp was looking at the log only lol
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By soralin 2020-09-13 21:24:54
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SimonSes said: »
soralin said: »
3000 attack

Thats not much if said trash mobs arent debuffed with def down. Trash in Omen have probably above 1000def, so you would need way above 4000 to cap attack without def down debuffs.

As I stated in my first post, we are using Frailty+Fury and Chaos+Samurai rolls, as well as Dia 3.

Last night in Omen on Glassy Gorger with the Geo spamming dispel nonstop (landing it basically 100% of the time) I was pulling in at about 8~10k Dimidiations with AM3 up.

Managed to down it in about 7 minutes so, that felt pretty good!

However sitting at about 1350 acc on Fu, I was well below like 50% accuracy, so Im having to go back to the drawing board on my hybrid setup, mostly though I realized Im missing a solid 110 accuracy on my gear in little "here and there" spots, like having NQ turms feet instead of HQ, missing the +10 acc from my Dye augment on my cape, little things like that that, after actually totalling up, added up to a decent chunk of missed acc.

So hopefully once I fix that stuff Ill be sitting closer to 1450 acc on my hybrid setup as I outta be and it wont be a whiff fest on Fu next time.
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By Mrxi 2020-09-13 21:45:44
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Usual do torpor on the omen boss or distract 3
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By Asura.Pergatory 2020-09-15 11:18:34
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Asura.Aller said: »
Is the Engraved Belt in the def/VIT supertank set actually worth the trouble?
Magic evasion is life. I love Engraved Belt and use it in most of my tank sets, besides a couple where I need Flume+1 to cap PDT.
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By Shiva.Osborn 2020-09-15 12:06:30
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Asura.Pergatory said: »
Magic evasion is life. I love Engraved Belt and use it in most of my tank sets, besides a couple where I need Flume+1 to cap PDT.

I second this, there might be one set where I use Flume instead.

Its pretty easy to cap PDT/MDT otherwise so extra resistance to all elements on the waist is awesome imo.

That's also in addition to your other resist gear, runes, etc.
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By Crossbones 2020-09-15 12:17:19
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On fu all I do is cast geo haste on myself and keep everyone out of range, give him 6-7 buffs and beat his ***. I always have either last resort, battutua, or arcane circle up after each absorb. I don't even bring a geo in range with me although if you can keep them safe that makes it a lot faster. I don't have issues at all with accuracy on him (sometimes forget food even), the intimidate is by far the most annoying part.

Glad to hear your output is improving. Just gotta keep tweaking it here and there. Also don't remember if your epeo is R15 or not? It makes a gigantic difference if it isn't.
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By Cerberus.Kylos 2020-09-15 14:38:31
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Hi Shiraj, nice guide! Could you please share a link back to my list as well? Perhaps it can help those looking for specific enemy types? Cheers.
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By soralin 2020-09-15 16:33:45
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Crossbones said: »
On fu all I do is cast geo haste on myself and keep everyone out of range, give him 6-7 buffs and beat his ***. I always have either last resort, battutua, or arcane circle up after each absorb. I don't even bring a geo in range with me although if you can keep them safe that makes it a lot faster. I don't have issues at all with accuracy on him (sometimes forget food even), the intimidate is by far the most annoying part.

Glad to hear your output is improving. Just gotta keep tweaking it here and there. Also don't remember if your epeo is R15 or not? It makes a gigantic difference if it isn't.

Mind posting your high acc set for TPing and, more importantly, for Dimidiation?

Do you still just use the normal dimidiation gear, or are there better swap ins for more acc?
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By Crossbones 2020-09-15 20:33:19
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My TP set:
{main="Epeolatry",
sub="Utu Grip",
ammo="Yamarang",
head="Ayanmo Zucchetto +2",
body="Ashera Harness",
hands="Turms Mittens +1",
legs="Meg. Chausses +2",
feet="Turms Leggings +1",
neck="Futhark Torque +2",
waist="Ioskeha Belt +1",
left_ear="Telos Earring",
right_ear="Sherida Earring",
left_ring={name="Moonlight Ring",priority=15,bag="wardrobe3"},
right_ring={name="Moonlight Ring",priority=15,bag="wardrobe2"},
back={ name="Ogma's cape", augments={'STR+20','Accuracy+20 Attack+20','STR+10','"Dbl.Atk."+10','Phys. dmg. taken-10%',}},}

Dimi set:
{ammo="Knobkierrie",
head={ name="Herculean Helm", augments={'Pet: DEX+8','"Fast Cast"+3','Weapon skill damage +6%',}},
body={ name="Herculean Vest", augments={'Attack+20','DEX+13','Weapon skill damage +6%','Mag. Acc.+13 "Mag.Atk.Bns."+13',}},
hands="Meg. Gloves +2",
legs={ name="Lustr. Subligar +1", augments={'Accuracy+20','DEX+8','Crit. hit rate+3%',}},
feet={ name="Lustra. Leggings +1", augments={'HP+65','STR+15','DEX+15',}},
neck="Fotia Gorget",
waist="Fotia Belt",
left_ear={ name="Moonshade Earring", augments={'"Mag.Atk.Bns."+4','TP Bonus +250',}},
right_ear="Sherida Earring",
left_ring="Regal Ring",
right_ring="Niqmaddu Ring",
back={ name="Ogma's cape", augments={'DEX+20','Accuracy+20 Attack+20','DEX+10','Weapon skill damage +10%','Phys. dmg. taken-10%',}},}

Don't have any other sets but this one for dimi and the engaged set is my hybrid tank set (I don't really ever use pure DD set or LH on RUN). The key with Fu is letting him get enough buffs that dimi>dimi does a large chunk of his HP.
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