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Coronavirus death toll estimation USA
Asura.Eiryl
By Asura.Eiryl 2020-07-18 14:33:14
It's irrelevant how bad it is for the kids themselves.
It's who they give it to once they've got it. School is 90% kids but there are hundreds of teachers, custodians, security, admin, parents, grand parents.
Identical to adults. If you want to be irresponsible and get it yourself. I'm all for it. You get it to prove a point, you go you. The problem is who you give it to.
It's the ripple that matters, not so much the stone itself.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2020-07-18 15:33:30
Yes, but their standing argument is children can't (don't easily?) spread it. There is no arbitrary age where spreading can't happen.
It stands to reason if 16 year olds can spread it, and infants can spread it, then all the ages in between can spread it. You could be right, but there are huge physiological differences between infants, prepubescent kids, and teenagers. The infection rate could very well follow a "bathtub curve" or some similar variant with a dip between early to late childhood. Rav, with that logic you could get a White House job.
By Prong 2020-07-18 16:57:49
My mother has a friend she used to work with who's daughter works at a nursing home. Their 93 year old relative just passed in that nursing home last week of Alzheimer's complications. They marked her Death Cert as "Covid 19 related" even though she did not have Covid, at all.
They questioned the home about this and supposedly, they receive a $1,300 "bonus" from Medicare if they mark them as a Covid death and the home asked the family, "So, do you mind if we leave it that way?" The family of course refused.
Now I know this is a he said, she said, second hand source thing, so, I did a small (5 mins) amount of research to see if this is even in the realm of possibilities, as it sounded too easy to be true to me. I came across this...
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/04/24/fact-check-medicare-hospitals-paid-more-covid-19-patients-coronavirus/3000638001/
Sounds like I answered my own question the other day when I asked, "Now why would they test for Covid and list them as a Covid death if they had something obvious like physical trauma?"
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By Prong 2020-07-18 17:02:05
We have known since the beginning of this that the economy couldn't get going fully again until we figured out child care. We haven't figured it out yet. So when the press secretary gets out there and says the science supports fully reopening schools so kids can attend in person classes everyday, she is lying. The science does not support that, because there is more to schools than just the students. They are completely ignoring the role of teachers and it doesn't work.
If it just comes down to teachers and their fears, then have a TV/monitor set up in the classrooms and the teacher can remote into it from home?
Adults have to be in the building, children can't take care of themselves. Child safety does matter.
If you read the succession of comments, it became perfectly obvious Eiryl's intent isn't to protect the kids, oh the kids, poor, poor kids. It's to let it all burn. Let's start being honest.
By Prong 2020-07-18 17:07:16
Fact remains, all of you, "leave everything shut down!" folks don't ever answer this (Except Eiryl, let someone else answer this time who isn't pro-collapse of society).
What do you propose parents/families who live check to check do with their kids when they HAVE to work? If they don't work, they don't get paid. If they don't get paid, they don't buy food or pay rent. If they don't buy food, the kids starve anyhow and now they don't even have shelter.
All you retired folk and work-from-home judges sitting back in your comfy chairs spouting your rhetoric never have a solution, you just scream about the solutions of others. What is YOUR realistic solution?
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2020-07-18 17:08:44
Yes, but their standing argument is children can't (don't easily?) spread it. There is no arbitrary age where spreading can't happen.
It stands to reason if 16 year olds can spread it, and infants can spread it, then all the ages in between can spread it. You could be right, but there are huge physiological differences between infants, prepubescent kids, and teenagers. The infection rate could very well follow a "bathtub curve" or some similar variant with a dip between early to late childhood. Rav, with that logic you could get a White House job.
{No, thanks.} But either way I'm only stating a possibility. Infection rate curves based on age follow all sorts of funny curves depending on the disease in question, and from what we know about this one it's not exactly a stretch.
By Prong 2020-07-18 17:19:48
Identical to adults. If you want to be irresponsible and get it yourself. I'm all for it. You get it to prove a point, you go you. The problem is who you give it to.
It's the ripple that matters, not so much the stone itself.
Exactly what I said about BLM protesters and ya'll defended them by saying, "the cause outweighs the risks>"
Well then, "the cause" of people needing to make money to survive outweighs the risks.
At least people going to work is actually helping society as opposed to a~holes who obviously have nothing more productive to do going around and destroying public/private property because they are mad their first 22 years on this planet hasn't made them a millionaire just because they draw a breath.
Asura.Eiryl
By Asura.Eiryl 2020-07-18 17:45:39
We have known since the beginning of this that the economy couldn't get going fully again until we figured out child care. We haven't figured it out yet. So when the press secretary gets out there and says the science supports fully reopening schools so kids can attend in person classes everyday, she is lying. The science does not support that, because there is more to schools than just the students. They are completely ignoring the role of teachers and it doesn't work.
If it just comes down to teachers and their fears, then have a TV/monitor set up in the classrooms and the teacher can remote into it from home?
Adults have to be in the building, children can't take care of themselves. Child safety does matter.
If you read the succession of comments, it became perfectly obvious Eiryl's intent isn't to protect the kids, oh the kids, poor, poor kids. It's to let it all burn. Let's start being honest.
That is the absolute opposite take away, which i said twice... but ok i guess?
The "corporate america" can and should burn. The kids don't have any part in that.
By Prong 2020-07-18 17:48:52
Dude, c'mon. No matter the question or topic, you are going to try and argue your general view is to let it all burn?
You can't protect the kids when it all comes crashing down. When the parents who have to feed/clothe those kids can't, because there is no place for them to work, those kids are going to fall right along with the adults. The virus that is killing 0.0034% of the population won't matter at that point.
Asura.Eiryl
By Asura.Eiryl 2020-07-18 18:16:14
They don't listen when nothing is on fire (metaphorically and literally). That's just the way it is.
School stays closed, parents stay home to teach them, government gives out UBI until the adults start being adults. Or vaccine.
The only alternative when they refuse to give out the UBI is fire. Throw the kids into it (they want to) or burn it down (I want to) there is no other option.
By Prong 2020-07-18 18:17:54
They don't listen when nothing is on fire (metaphorically and literally). That's just the way it is.
School stays closed, parents stay home to teach them, government gives out UBI until the adults start being adults. Or vaccine.
The only alternative when they refuse to give out the UBI is fire. Throw the kids into it (they want to) or burn it down (I want to) there is no other option.
It doesn't always have to come down to just, paying people because they are alive. No society ever has been bettered by not rewarding effort.
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Asura.Eiryl
By Asura.Eiryl 2020-07-18 18:20:11
It's two(ish) months. It's not forever. It's fair pay for their *** up.
By Prong 2020-07-18 18:25:53
It's two(ish) months. It's not forever. It's fair pay for their *** up.
Have China pay it then, since it wasn't out *** up. Good luck with that.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2020-07-18 19:17:36
Wait, what slurs?
By Viciouss 2020-07-18 19:23:16
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2020-07-18 19:24:03
government gives out UBI until the adults start being adults. Why should I have to pay for what idiotic people (I guess the "r" word is a slur, I don't see it, but whatever) for their own stupidity.
The government should not have to reward people for their childish, idiotic, and greedy behavior.
It is nobody's responsibility to support those who choose to be stupid in their lives.
And I hope whatever mod who deleted my previous post let me know what exactly was wrong with the other one. Just having a comment that says "No slurs" doesn't help at all, since I don't know what you are talking about. We can at least discuss this in PM.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2020-07-18 19:25:52
A mod deleted my post without telling me what slurs I used.
I don't remember using one, the only word I used that could have a very small possibility of being one would start with an r, but it was not used in the context of the mental handicap.
So, I don't want to break any rules, but if I'm going to be slapped down for something, at least tell me why so I don't do it again >.>
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By Viciouss 2020-07-18 19:27:33
The R word was unofficially outlawed a while back.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2020-07-18 19:27:50
How was I supposed to know?
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2020-07-18 19:29:00
Either way, if that was what caused that, I'll try not to let it happen again.
I just got to figure out what word to use for the incredibly stupid people in the world.
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By Drama Torama 2020-07-18 19:46:27
/reads post
one would start with an r, but it was not used in the context of the mental handicap Got it in one! Being serious for a moment: do you think that matters? If you drop an n-bomb on some white guy, do you think that context is in any way relevant to whether or not it's a slur?
Yay, finally, someone acknowledges that there are other mods on this site
The R word was unofficially outlawed a while back. Nothing unofficial about it. "No slurs" has been in the rules forever. It just hasn't been getting enforced. Maybe I should just do something with the text replacer...
Yeah, you do that.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2020-07-18 19:53:57
In his defense, the R-word has been dropped a number of times in here without obvious enforcement. Not that anyone expects the mods to catch everything, but that's just how things have gone.
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By Drama Torama 2020-07-18 19:56:11
In his defense, the R-word has been dropped a number of times in here without obvious enforcement. Not that anyone expects the mods to catch everything, but that's just how things have gone.
Fair enough. Please report it if you see it. If I have to get out the text replacer, no one is going to enjoy what I do with it.
I will super enjoy what I do with it
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By volkom 2020-07-18 20:02:02
can the "don't insult other users" rule be enforced more?
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Asura.Eiryl
By Asura.Eiryl 2020-07-18 20:06:23
To be frank, you shouldn't be talking AT anyone at all.
Discuss the topic, not the topic discusser.
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By Cruz Missive 2020-07-18 20:06:38
can the "don't insult other users" rule be enforced more?
I'm happy to. It's been a little lax because we don't want to nuke a half dozen people at a time, but you're right, it really should get enforced more.
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By Rooks 2020-07-18 20:08:42
I just had to nuke Hideka's post+topicban him for dropping a hard r n-bomb in there. I'll read the whole thing and reply to anything I think should be replied to, but that ***is a bright red line you do not get to cross.
[Edit: the original version of this post just said hard R, which I realized was ambiguous given the context. I've updated the phrasing to indicate the real issue.]
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By Viciouss 2020-07-18 20:08:52
Thank you for deleting that terrible post.
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