Coronavirus Death Toll Estimation USA

Fox news for ya
https://fox6now.com/2020/07/14/trump-administration-tells-hospitals-to-bypass-cdc-with-covid-19-data-reporting/

https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/nation-politics/administration-orders-hospitals-to-bypass-the-cdc-with-key-virus-data/

https://www.theverge.com/2020/7/14/21324688/white-house-covid-19-coronavirus-data-collection-cdc-bypass-trump-hhs

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/14/us/politics/trump-cdc-coronavirus.html

https://politicalwire.com/2020/07/14/hospitals-ordered-to-bypass-cdc-for-reporting/

and the other one is on page 10 of the PDF:

all that document said is that they need to report their covid numbers directly to mike pence's team? it doesnt say anything about not reporting it to the CDC anymore?

given the CDC seems to be inundated with workers perpetuating a bankrupt ideology from today's recent news, i think it might be an appropriate play. if your scientists are being political, can you trust them to be impartial to the data? we already caught climate scientists faking climate data to try and push climate narratives; we saw 'scientists' push fake data over hydroxychloroquine related fatalities.

i can understand the move if there is a concern of bad science, or bad data analysis - of which there has been sufficient evidence to prevent it from being ruled out.

There's only one reason to change where the data goes 6 months later.

To fudge numbers.

CDC doesn't decide who or how, just takes data and reports it. Now that data will skip the CDC and go straight to the people who benefit the most from "suddenly dropping numbers"

then we'll be 1 step closer to be like china right? isn't that what we want?

you're assuming a motive without all of the facts involved in what went into making that decision.

look back at how many times people claimed trump was doing something nefarious for nefarious reasons to be a nefarious person, and every time its come up as just more media bullshittery.

i dont think they have any intention of 'fudging numbers', and have every intention in making sure a covid death is classified as a covid death.

I assume you mean to say, you feel people have "evolved" into not being able to stomach other forms of violence? Because there were tons of wars/conflicts prior to the invention of guns, actually more often than there have been since the invention of guns. The Chinese use to eat some of their fallen foes after a battle. I really don't think humans don't have it in them to carve someone up with a machete, it still happens today in some countries, quite often.

But, I do agree with Rooks' assessment, which I think he is just saying a gun (especially an automatic weapon) is simply a much more efficient way of killing more people in a shorter amount of time than say, a baseball bat.

CDC doesn't make the call on what is a covid death. ME at the hospital does.

Correct, but maybe they are going to do some research and edit those to show the actual cause of death?

Like I said when we talked about this earlier, it just makes no sense after hundreds of years of medical advancement that a medical examiner cannot differentiate between the actual cause of death and, "well, they had this so....it MAY have done it?"

The hospitals can just ignore the "guidance" and continue sharing their numbers with the CDC. Its not an enforceable order.

it's simply reported data. They aren't sending the bodies.

Hospital says 1000 died > they send that data. That's the beginning and end of CDC involvement.

Only now, HHS will say what do you mean 800 people died, we only see 600 died, imagine if 400 died, wheres the paper that says 200 died, we got no report that said anyone died.

This is half the problem... data will be split. Neither CDC or HHS will have accurate data if hospitals "decide" to not comply... this is EXACTLY the game plan.

Speaking of medical ***, does anyone know a home remedy for severe poison ivy that actually works?

Tried all the usual suspects, like calamine lotion/Benadryl/bleach...this stuff laughed at those.

Just skin lotion, and don't scratch it.

Ugh, I think I already crossed that threshold in my sleep. I awoke with oozing/bleeding spots on my ankles, probably scratched it with my other foot. Worst case I ever had.

hot water and dawn for me if its a fresh exposure to get the oil off the skin, and then a pretty thick layer of medicated vaseline.

Hmm, I'll try that. Can't hurt.

if you have open sores, use neosporin instead; can get infected if using regular old vasaline.

It has to do with a "contributing factor", meaning something that while may not be a primary cause, could of contributed to the death. It's important to note whenever a person's cause of death is something that might of been preventable. Like lets say someone dies from cancer while also having an infectious disease. The body fighting that infectious disease could of weakened it sufficiently that it couldn't also fight the cancer. A person OD's on meth while also having a really high blood alcohol level, they are going to list the BAC as a contributing factor. For that reason if someone dies from a gunshot to the head while having COVID-19, they are going to list the COVID-19 as a contributing factor.

The issue here is Democrats Mayors and Governors have ordered any paperwork with COVID-19 anywhere on it to be listed as a COVID-19 "related" death to pump those numbers up. They intend to blame President Trump for creating COVID-19 and try to link the inflated death count to his name during the 2020 election.

From the Vox link

Peter Thiel... The fix is in.

It definitely looks like a move to be less transparent with the public that is consistent with Trump's everyday efforts to downplay and outright ignore covid.

Outlined the important part.

Now notice how the tone of the article has us mentally translating "may" into "will".

That folks is how mind control really works.

mind control starts with information control

Not only that, but Trump “may” do something, according to the New York Times. Might as well not write an article at all for all that’s worth.

Wait, nobody is going to call out Eiryl for confusing Fox News as a local Fox channel station?

One is not like the other.....

I mean, it's like saying NBC news with WOAI4, or CBS news with KENS5, or ABC news with KSAT12 (to use San Antonio news station as examples).

Well the Oklahoma governor just announced he has tested positive for covid, a day after his state hit 1,000 new cases for the first time. Another Republican that had been mirroring Trump, never wore a mask, dined out constantly, went to the Tulsa rally, just didn't care about being responsible.

And there's Vic, celebrating somebody getting COVID because the person in question is a Republican.

I guess that, for every death, you get a tingle down your legs, don't you?

I'm not celebrating, but this an amusing line of attack you are attempting. I feel bad for the people of Oklahoma having such an idiot in the governors mansion, they don't have the resources to fight this virus. They don't have nearly enough hospitals or doctors to contain the current surge their leadership has brought on them.

the native american tribes will teach them how to run a state

Funny how you only wax poetic on the "terrible leadership" in Republican-run areas when there are plenty of Democrat-run areas that have been slammed.