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Corona Virus, How has it affected your area so far?
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2020-04-15 12:28:29
Population of New York 19.5 million
Virus cases (infected 203k 11,6k deaths)
Population of California 39.5 million
Virus cases (infected 25k 790 deaths)
Population of Texas 29 million
Virus cases (infected 15kk 350 deaths)
What did Cuomo do that caused so many more people to be infected and die in New York state? NYC has a large Chinese community. The borough with the most cases happens to have the largest Chinese population. And since the virus originated from China (regardless of what the liberal media tells you, it originated from China!)....
Also, it doesn't help that they just added about 3,600 more deaths to the count by people who may have died from COVID-19. Not those who did, but may have.
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By Leviathan.Andret 2020-04-15 12:29:52
Population of New York 19.5 million
Virus cases (infected 203k 11,6k deaths)
Population of California 39.5 million
Virus cases (infected 25k 790 deaths)
Population of Texas 29 million
Virus cases (infected 15kk 350 deaths)
What did Cuomo do that caused so many more people to be infected and die in New York state?
One of the above is different than the other 2. Can you spot the difference?
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2020-04-15 12:31:33
Population of New York 19.5 million
Virus cases (infected 203k 11,6k deaths)
Population of California 39.5 million
Virus cases (infected 25k 790 deaths)
Population of Texas 29 million
Virus cases (infected 15kk 350 deaths)
What did Cuomo do that caused so many more people to be infected and die in New York state?
One of the above is different than the other 2. Can you spot the difference? You can't say one state has a densely populated area and the other 2 doesn't. Because Los Angeles, San Francisco, Houston, Dallas, and San Antonio would like to have a word with you....
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By Leviathan.Draugo 2020-04-15 12:32:40
Bismarck.Laurelli said: »You guys need to realize, the data is still evolving. You can't honestly look at the data until after everything settles, because the data in real time changes...in real time. I agree. In the US, right now, the mortality rate is 35% on closed cases. However, that number will change. Hopefully, it becomes much smaller. Literally all I was pointing out. It will change. But yes currently it is 35%. Pending cases cannot be counted, they are pending.
Our track record currently is 65% success rate.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2020-04-15 12:42:18
Bismarck.Laurelli said: »You guys need to realize, the data is still evolving. You can't honestly look at the data until after everything settles, because the data in real time changes...in real time. I agree. In the US, right now, the mortality rate is 35% on closed cases. However, that number will change. Hopefully, it becomes much smaller. Literally all I was pointing out. It will change. But yes currently it is 35%. Pending cases cannot be counted, they are pending.
Out track record currently is 65% success rate. I'm just saying that that is pointless. At least right now it is.
You are using a very small denominator to determine success rate. Overall the success rate is going to be around 99%. Not 65% it currently is. It's not going to go up because we improved, it's going up because the denominator will dramatically increase drastically....
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By Leviathan.Andret 2020-04-15 12:56:33
Population of New York 19.5 million
Virus cases (infected 203k 11,6k deaths)
Population of California 39.5 million
Virus cases (infected 25k 790 deaths)
Population of Texas 29 million
Virus cases (infected 15kk 350 deaths)
What did Cuomo do that caused so many more people to be infected and die in New York state?
One of the above is different than the other 2. Can you spot the difference? You can't say one state has a densely populated area and the other 2 doesn't. Because Los Angeles, San Francisco, Houston, Dallas, and San Antonio would like to have a word with you....
Are you comparing state with cities?
And you are wrong btw. I live in LA area, it's a lot different between LA and NY (city) when it comes to population density. If you can't figure out why you can ask a NY driver to park a car and an LA driver to park a car.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Kyren 2020-04-15 12:59:36
You are talking about a minority of people out there. A single parent most of the time has family nearby to look after their kids, even in this crisis. Those who don't are rare and few between.
And there isn't many people with 2 "full-time" jobs. Most people in your mindset generally have part-time jobs, and with the economy as robust as it is, would have found themselves able to support themselves with only 1 full-time job, because even the "minimum wage" jobs are paying well over minimum wage currently. In some cases as much as $12/hour starting.
Oh to have had the same privilege as you.
Quetzalcoatl.Kyren said: »But minimum wage in the developed world means you can afford all essentials a person needs to survive
Who the hell told you that? Whomever it was lied to you.
Lol so I guess the Canadian Labour Act; Part III; Division II; 178 (1)(a) which says the Province's Minimum Wage (eg. Ontario) is tied directly to the Consumer Price Index which states that wages must reflect inflation of goods is all but a lie, huh.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2020-04-15 13:06:48
Quetzalcoatl.Kyren said: »You are talking about a minority of people out there. A single parent most of the time has family nearby to look after their kids, even in this crisis. Those who don't are rare and few between.
And there isn't many people with 2 "full-time" jobs. Most people in your mindset generally have part-time jobs, and with the economy as robust as it is, would have found themselves able to support themselves with only 1 full-time job, because even the "minimum wage" jobs are paying well over minimum wage currently. In some cases as much as $12/hour starting.
Oh to have had the same privilege as you. It has nothing to do with privilege. It looks like you want the most out of the least amount of effort.
Guess what? You are only going to get out of life what you put into it. Same thing with how much money you get for your job.
But hey, deny reality all you want. Like I said with Directx, just because you wish for it doesn't mean it's going to be true.
That has nothing to do with what Savael said. He said that minimum wage jobs are not there to support a family. To think otherwise is devaluing every other job there is.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2020-04-15 13:10:10
Population of New York 19.5 million
Virus cases (infected 203k 11,6k deaths)
Population of California 39.5 million
Virus cases (infected 25k 790 deaths)
Population of Texas 29 million
Virus cases (infected 15kk 350 deaths)
What did Cuomo do that caused so many more people to be infected and die in New York state?
One of the above is different than the other 2. Can you spot the difference? You can't say one state has a densely populated area and the other 2 doesn't. Because Los Angeles, San Francisco, Houston, Dallas, and San Antonio would like to have a word with you....
Are you comparing state with cities?
And you are wrong btw. I live in LA area, it's a lot different between LA and NY (city) when it comes to population density. If you can't figure out why you can ask a NY driver to park a car and an LA driver to park a car. No, I'm not. If you take out NYC out of the equation, NY State would have roughly the same amount of cases as many other states per population capita.
Besides, there is more in play with NYC than you think. Mainly because they are inflating their death toll numbers with "possible" cases.
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By Bismarck.Laurelli 2020-04-15 13:35:20
Population of New York 19.5 million
Virus cases (infected 203k 11,6k deaths)
Population of California 39.5 million
Virus cases (infected 25k 790 deaths)
Population of Texas 29 million
Virus cases (infected 15kk 350 deaths)
What did Cuomo do that caused so many more people to be infected and die in New York state? In February and early March, New Yorkers were beginning to feel uncomfortable going out. So Deblasio started tweeting that people should go to restaurants and theaters. That they should feel comfortable using the subway. Basically, he wanted people to act like Covid wasn't a threat. Also, there was even an instance where Pelosi told New Yorkers to gather to see her in the city.
I don't think it was really Cuomo's fault. But Deblasio, and to a lesser degree Pelosi, have blood on their hands.
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By Bismarck.Laurelli 2020-04-15 13:37:17
Bismarck.Laurelli said: »You guys need to realize, the data is still evolving. You can't honestly look at the data until after everything settles, because the data in real time changes...in real time. I agree. In the US, right now, the mortality rate is 35% on closed cases. However, that number will change. Hopefully, it becomes much smaller. Literally all I was pointing out. It will change. But yes currently it is 35%. Pending cases cannot be counted, they are pending.
Out track record currently is 65% success rate. I'm just saying that that is pointless. At least right now it is.
You are using a very small denominator to determine success rate. Overall the success rate is going to be around 99%. Not 65% it currently is. It's not going to go up because we improved, it's going up because the denominator will dramatically increase drastically.... You realize you're arguing for nothing because you're both right.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2020-04-15 13:44:50
You should know that kn argues any and every just out of boredom. Doesn't even matter what it is. Watch, he'll try to argue with me that he won't argue, infact his head might explode if he tries.
On Topic, New York starting mandatory face covering in public, while michigan is holding protests in the capital because their gov is over reaching. (not being allowed to go on the water with a motorized vehicle)
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2020-04-15 14:19:07
Bismarck.Laurelli said: »Bismarck.Laurelli said: »You guys need to realize, the data is still evolving. You can't honestly look at the data until after everything settles, because the data in real time changes...in real time. I agree. In the US, right now, the mortality rate is 35% on closed cases. However, that number will change. Hopefully, it becomes much smaller. Literally all I was pointing out. It will change. But yes currently it is 35%. Pending cases cannot be counted, they are pending.
Out track record currently is 65% success rate. I'm just saying that that is pointless. At least right now it is.
You are using a very small denominator to determine success rate. Overall the success rate is going to be around 99%. Not 65% it currently is. It's not going to go up because we improved, it's going up because the denominator will dramatically increase drastically.... You realize you're arguing for nothing because you're both right. 
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2020-04-15 14:20:10
You should know that kn argues any and every just out of boredom. Doesn't even matter what it is. Watch, he'll try to argue with me that he won't argue, infact his head might explode if he tries. You are right.
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By Leviathan.Draugo 2020-04-15 14:37:17
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By volkom 2020-04-15 15:23:20
During the lockdown of the black death, William Shakespeare wrote some of his best plays and Issac Newton came up with the theory of gravity.
During this lockdown our best and brightest are complaining on twitter. All of us now have more free time than we have ever had before and almost none of us are making any worthwhile use of it.
social media ruined everything
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2020-04-15 16:15:06
And you proved me wrong how again?
Remember, we are talking about 2 different currencies here. I calculated your average wage to be $38,079.33/year using today's lolpound to USD conversion (it's 1:1.1252 UKP/USD).
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2020-04-15 16:30:13
Kingnobody said: US's average wage is $131.43/hour vs. UK's average wage of $87.03/hour $38k/year is not $87 an hour. Yes, I don't know how those numbers came to being. It really should be
US: $30.33/hour ($63,080/2080)
UK: $20.08/hour ($41,770/2080) (using my evidence)
UK: $18.31/hour ($38,079.33/2080) (using your evidence)
Either way, you still haven't answered my main question. Our original argument is your misconception of what a living wage should be, and what QoL is.
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By Leviathan.Draugo 2020-04-15 16:36:04
Kingnobody said: US's average wage is $131.43/hour vs. UK's average wage of $87.03/hour $38k/year is not $87 an hour. Yes, I don't know how those numbers came to being. It really should be
US: $30.33/hour ($63,080/2080)
UK: $20.08/hour ($41,770/2080) (using my evidence)
UK: $18.31/hour ($38,079.33/2080) (using your evidence)
Either way, you still haven't answered my main question. Our original argument is your misconception of what a living wage should be, and what QoL is.
You are never going to get a consistent answer to this question, hence you won't make everyone happy. It's subjective.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2020-04-15 16:50:11
Kingnobody said: US's average wage is $131.43/hour vs. UK's average wage of $87.03/hour $38k/year is not $87 an hour. Yes, I don't know how those numbers came to being. It really should be
US: $30.33/hour ($63,080/2080)
UK: $20.08/hour ($41,770/2080) (using my evidence)
UK: $18.31/hour ($38,079.33/2080) (using your evidence)
Either way, you still haven't answered my main question. Our original argument is your misconception of what a living wage should be, and what QoL is. I haven't mentioned anything about a living wage.
How is considering working 60 hours a week to have a decent standards of living unacceptable a "misconception"? It's subjective at best but I doubt you do it either - I'm sure what you're saying is it's fine for other people to do it. Because people generally do not work 60 hours a week for a living. The only profession where I think anyone can come close to that is truck drivers, but even then they are limited to at most 60/week, but even then they are limited to 70 in 8 days and mandatory breaks afterwards.
And guess what? They make ~$23/hour doing so.
Add time and a half for hourly drivers, and that adds up quickly.
But other than them, there isn't many people working 60 hours a week to survive. And I'm sure people here are going to say "But there's the single mom working 2 part time jobs to survive!" BS. Which is a load of crap because those single moms who work minimum wage jobs will not work 2 jobs because that cuts out on their welfare checks.
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By Leviathan.Draugo 2020-04-15 17:27:43
US
28k D, 51k L, 639k C
79k Total 35/65
World
133k D, 510k L, 2047k C
643k Total 20/80
Don't mind me, just making a note, I'll come back to this in a week or so.
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By Leviathan.Draugo 2020-04-15 17:52:52
National minimum / living wages make no sense anyway, the cost of living in London versus a small town is ridiculous.
Rent prices alone vary greatly. It is something that will continue to inflate along with minimum wage. Which in turn will ever inflate the economy.
My dollar is worth X, I want a minimum of them.
Government mandates a min, labor cost increases, products cost more. Dollar no longer worth X, ***costs more, people want more minimum, rinse and repeat ad nauseum.
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By Leviathan.Draugo 2020-04-15 18:07:46
Wall of water?
Anywho, an end result of minimum wage, more labor outsourced to countries with no minimum. People there are still paid, a wage, some above average for the area some below. Product prices stay cheaper, less jobs on average in countries with min wage laws. More wealth exported from that country, to outside nation's.
China in a nutshell.
So, today was the first case of the virus being confirmed in my rural county.
This last week has been pretty insane to start. Most grocery stores have been emptied, toilet paper is non existent. Bars, hotels, and casinos have been shutdown as of yesterday, our town relies heavily on these sources of income. There are now rumors that our mine sites will soon be shutdown as well. I plan to withdraw a substantial amount of cash from the bank tomorrow morning, and hit every store I can get my hands on to get some groceries before the hoarding gets any worse.
I have heard of California being on total lockdown, as well of rumors of people even being imprisoned for attempting to leave the state.
Curious to hear how other parts of the country are getting along, surprised there isn't an official Corona-Virus thread here yet.
Crazy stuff.
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