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Wooden doors are easy to kick in. Bolt cutters cut chain in seconds. Windows break effortlessly. Torches. Freezing and shattering. Hammers. Jigglers. Saws. Drills. Shims.

They work "well" until they don't. Exactly like a fence. That's what a deterrent is.

He's right, locks and fences keep honest people honest, rarely a deterrent for someone intent on malice.

I suppose condoms work well until they dont, might as well never use them again

It is always a deterrent, just depends on context.

Crossing the boarder illegally is a low risk of getting caught, and people doing so are usually fleeing for their lives or were in such a shitty situation before hand that they physically need to take that small risk. You cant patrol the entire area, and even if you could, they do have the legal right to claim asylum and go down that legal process. (You also have problems with the immigration system for the US is garbage, taking years to legally immigrate, so there is a limited legal option to actually do so, but thats an entirely different issue)

A window makes noise if it breaks. A lock takes time to pick, or makes noise if you break it. Time is a limited resource if youre attempting to rob some place, and noise is bad. Glass breaking is a fairly distinct noise, especially since windows are generally fairly thick. Even a shitty master lock is good enough to stop most robbery attempts because it takes time, and its easier to just go elsewhere.

In this specific case, the fence would do nothing itself to prevent people from going to the beach. However, it does give a clear line where trespassing begins, which would allow easier enforcement. It also limits entry points, and its not like most people are going to bring a ladder or wire cutters to just go to the beach and commit a more clear crime. The potential gain is small, and the few crazies that think its their right to go to the beach will find themselves with a court date.

Is putting up a fence a good solution? Probably not. Would it be effective? Probably. Is it comparable to a boarder wall? No.

does anyone lock their pc?

If you don’t have a spare pair of tin snips or bolt cutters in the back of your car; can you even consider yourself a real American?

Old convertible owner's adage:

"Locks on a ragtop only stop honest people who don't carry a pocket knife."

Never lock a convertible.

(Off topic, I know.)

Sometimes a deterrent is all you need. Many criminals are highly opportunistic. All things being equal, they'll pick the easiest target.

https://detroit.cbslocal.com/2020/05/20/how-can-i-be-sick-woman-who-took-hydroxychloroquine-for-19-years-to-treat-lupus-still-got-covid-19/

On Thanos.

We're actually on where near capacity of our planet



For some truely massive numbers.



But if you truly believe in reducing the human population, then by all means lead by example.

* as long as we invent jetsons tech to create megalopolises, space farming, and some way to not overflow the world with trash, and then have everyone limited to a maximum of 100sqft of living space, a lot of which is in uninhabitable regions of the planet. I guess we could invent tech to irrigate the Sahara desert and backfill the Amazon. Then we can definitely have a quadrillion, or maybe even a gorillion, people.

The videos were interesting, but what are the chances of any of this tech being invented before humans destroy themselves? How would you prevent the people stuck in the Sahara megalopolis from migrating and overwhelming the Rome megalopolis?

You'd still have all the same problems as today, just on an apocalyptic scale.

As I said, it's a 50/50.
But you very well know that it's socially unacceptable to speak about this. So it's impossible to lead by example today unless you're a dictator in some Arab/Asian/south American country.

We're back to talking about WWII?!

I’m pretty sure “lead by example” was a snarky way of saying that if you believe we should reduce the population then you should be willing to be the first in line to off yourself.

Nothing he mentions is far fetched or impossible under known science. It only sounds insane because its taking what is known to be possible to their logical conclusion. We already have the capacity to do those things, we merely lack the reason or will to do so. Face to face communication over large geographical distances was once considered "jetsons tech".

The fact you mention the Sahara shows you didnt understand. Once you have nearly unlimited energy (we're almost there right now, definitely in our life time) location stops mattering. Trash simply doesn't exist once you have cheap energy. Plasma incineration, another of your "jetsons tech", is the ultimate recycling of waste products. We have so much empty land thats its cheaper to bury waste then process it into raw materials.

Humans won't kill themselves off, we passed that point decades ago. It's now functionally impossible for us to destroy ourselves, which is why so much progressive media has to invent lavish and implausible stories. Right now we have achieved the highest standard of living the human race has ever witnessed.

Hell they just demonstrated a rotary detonation rocket engine, thats serious "jetsons tech" right there. Few years ago it was understood to be functionally impossible to control fuel detonation for propulsion, its why we use combustion in all our technology.

Its the easiest way to point out the hypocrisy. What they really mean to say is that reducing the human population is fine, as long as it's other humans who are being reduced. A person of conviction would have continuity between word and action.

@Saevel-

completely agree with almost everything in your last 2 posts, except our ability to kill ourselves off. The only thing standing in the way of that as far as I see is the ability of small packets of people to hide in little corners of the planet. I'd be curious as to why you think we're not capable of eliminating the possibility of human life.

No doubt that in under 100 years of proper human development (no massive catastrophes to stall it, no world wars to divide and waste the resources of development...etc) problems such as crowding, waste, resources shouldn't be an issue any more. I just also fear the access to catastrophic tools becomes easier and thus in the hands of those with less self-control. Its one thing when two adults both have guns in their homes for self-defense, hunting, or even just as collectors. Its a whole other thing when two people with severe mental issues are gun collectors and let emotion make decisions that have irrevocable consequences.

See more school shootings? What happens 30 years from now as more WMDs are available on black markets and some random angry dude who didn't get a date can set off a smallpox epidemic or dirty bomb in a major city instead of shooting up some rural highschool? The stakes will only keep rising, and with it the death tolls.

But that was a lot of diatribe- again just curious why you dont' think we can annihilate ourselves, or at least destroy the ability for us to survive here.

If so then he has some serious reading comprehension.

Of course it's hypocritical, people only deny it publicly when it's against their agenda.
There is a huge difference between what certain people may believe in and what our society is forcing them to admit and act on publicly. Our society forces people to be appearance before content. As long as it'll be like this, the hypocrisy will never stop (on many topics, not just this one).

The jetsons tech quip was not meant to be taken too seriously. I understand the videos, my point about the Sahara and Amazon are that a large portion of land on Earth isn’t naturally suitable for building infrastructure. So even if “unlimited” energy and a way to store it are invented, a method of terraforming gigantic portions of continents would be needed to reach the capacity proposed. Unless Kryptons show up and share this with us, do you think this is likely in your lifetime?

You technically COULD genetically engineer a trillion humans, shave their heads, induce persistent vegetative states in them, house them each in their own 6sqft pod filled with goo, and feed them the minimum required calories of slop through a feeding tube. You COULD reach a gorillion goo pod people. But why?????

You can’t have anywhere near a trillion people living on the planet under conditions that most rational people would accept, even if it’s technically possible with tech-that-currently-doesn’t-exist-in-real-life-but-does-in-sci-fi-novels-and-could-possibly-at-an-unknown-time-in-the-future (jetsons tech). No one alive today wants to switch their diet to 100% genetically-engineered algae, as the video suggests. The video even suggests that life would be pretty miserable by today’s standards if you tried to “cram” (their words) that many people in. So when people other than enviro-goons talk about the earth becoming overpopulated, they’re not robots who mean it’s literally impossible to squeeze many more people in.

On a sidenote, jetsons tech mentioned in the videos that is inarguably jetsons tech:

• Converting people to cyborgs

• Uploading people’s brains to computers to live digitally

• Space farming on Halo arrays

• Biological immortality

• Soil with infinite nutrients to handle hyper “efficient” plants

• Food printers like how Lelu Dallas Multipass was generated in The Fifth Element

• Power satellites

• Space tethers

The left "every life is precious, we must save 80 year olds from the virus...lock it down!

Also the left: "we are overpopulated, this is an emergency! save the planet"

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The left: "we need more immigration, we need open borders, more people from 3rd world nations please!"

Also the left: "stop building houses on green field sites, stop cutting down forests to build more houses!"

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The left wing companies like google, Microsoft, facebook, apple "the world is overpopulated, we need to do something about it"

Also left wing companies "dat china population tho, we'll do anything to get access to that 2 billion people market!"

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This is why people are turning away from the left and why you are the raving lunatic party now, because we went from the left wingers saying all life is precious to now complaining the wold is over-populated. Do you see why you're the baddies? Almost everything you beleve in is a contradiction to something else you believe in.

This overpopulation nonsense argument is very much like the Corona argument, the vast majority of the overpopulation issues is in India, Afica and China and not western nations at all. Just as we pretend corona is a nationwide problem, when in reality almost 60% of the cases are in one specific place.

So instead of addressing the overpopulation issues in those specific nations we pretend it's a problem for us, when it's not. Just as instead of quarantining New York and places like that we lock the whole nation down.

Also this is a problem they created anyway, "we must end world hunger", ok you did and now nobody dies from starvation. Well done, you created the problem you now have because starvation was one of the population control features "the planet" had.

You already kinda answered your own question.

It's about scale and information storage. The earth is huge, so massive that lighting off every nuclear weapon every made wouldn't matter. Every Armageddon scenario ends up failing against physics, and unlike Hollywood screenwriters, physics can't be negotiated with.

Humans have settled in so many places on the planet that no war or series of wars could kill of anywhere near enough to "kill us all off". Instead you would just cause a few governments to crumble but the human population as a whole continues forth. It's been like this for well over a hundred years with the only real threat being loss of knowledge. Wipe out the centers of knowledge and the population has to take time to re-assimilate it (it's not lost, just de-centralized). We effectively removed that as a threat the moment we build our greatest accomplishment, the Internet. Now that both population and knowledge is de-centralized, our race has effectively become immune to self destruction.

Nothing short of the complete destruction of our planet would do the job, as in "I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced."

The "overpopulation" is specific to cities, the preferred habitation area of liberals. Due to bad planning and even worst management they created these massive housing shortages which in turn drives up prices. Drive a two dozen miles and suddenly that problem vanish's. My wife, who's a Korean citizen, likes to joke that we have too much unused land and should donate some to them.


No you don't. If you did then you wouldn't of followed with that statement.

We can already built in places like the Sahara desert, we just choose not to because there is no economic reason for it. Do you understand what an Arcology is?


And none of that is impossible with known physics. Some of that we'll see within the next century, the rest over the next few centuries. Heck we can already "print food", we just haven't developed the technology sufficiently to be economic at scale.

https://www.techrepublic.com/article/heres-how-3d-food-printers-are-changing-the-way-we-cook/

We can do cyborgs too. The medical field has made immense advances in the Human-Machine-Interface (HMI) that allows a human to "feel" what the artificial limb / sensor is "feeling". Neuroscience has been decoding brain signals and maping out how to communicate with our brains artificially.

http://news.mit.edu/2017/making-prosthetic-limbs-feel-more-natural-0531

We've had "soil with infinite nutrients" for over a century, it's called advanced agriculture. "Soil nutrients" is just a fancy way of saying Nitrogen, Carbon, Oxygen, Hydrogen, Phosphorus and Potassium with small amounts of trace elements. Those are all stupid easy to get, 80% of the air your breathing is Nitrogen, the other 19% is Oxygen, Hydrogen is packed into everything on the planet and is the most plentiful element in the universe. Your made of Carbon and it's also in everything around us. Phosphorus and Potassium are similarly easy to get and have high availability.

Making organic fertilizer from raw or waste material is something we've been doing a very long time. The best thing about vertical farming is that the entire process is controlled, your not dumping tons of nitrogen infused waste water into a local water supply.

Power satellite is a fun one because, they already exist, at least the technology does. We're already beaming energy from orbit to the planet to be absorbed by surface receivers, what exactly do you think the data transmissions are made of? We take energy from orbit, turn them into communications signals to transmit data from one place to another. That's much harder and requires far greater control then just gathering huge amounts of power from solar panels and tight beaming it to a single surface dish. If we wanted we could do power satellites today, the only thing stopping us is the idea of a giant death ray power beam orbiting over our heads. The nations of the world have agreed to not weaponizing space platforms and orbital power satellites look far too much like a weapons platform for comfort.

Our biggest limitation right now is energy, we're still using combustion to extract chemical energy from hydro-carbons, energy that the sun put there millennia ago. The currently viable alternative is fission and that scares you Hollywood types. Both political parties have economic reasons to limit the growth of such a disruptive technology. Thankfully fusion is finally in the very near future, all it took was getting it away from being a government funded jobs program for liberal elites and putting it in the private commercial field. I expect China to be the first ones to actually commercialize GenIV fission or fusion as a primary power supply because unlike western nations, they don't have an economic reason to maintain the status quot.

Find a habitable place where covid didn't allegedly reach. Now consider a virus, natural or man-made, that's more communicable, has a near-100% mortality rate, with a longer incubation period. This could easily eradicate all humans.

The longer-term threat of nuclear war is nuclear winter. Not saying it 100% would, because there are only models and theories, but it could be intense and long-lasting enough to kill off most of the planet, including humans.

Again, you're referring to sci-fi tech. No arcology has ever been built. The Sahara is 3.6 million square miles of rolling sand dunes 69-141 feet deep. You would need to terraform the entire region, which would require more sci-fi tech. Same story, different reason, with most of the Amazon and a lot of other land mass that you'd need to support a trillion people. You're partially missing the point of what people are saying when they say that the earth is overcrowded. You mentioned somewhere else that people congregate in major cities, which is correct. People aren't flooding across the border to live in the woods in Wyoming, they're living in squalor in a handful of major cities. We don't have the tech to build any of the infrastructure, handle the waste, handle the food production, or do most of the things you're suggesting to change this, and we're not going to change human nature, so TODAY, for all intents and purposes, the planet is mostly becoming overcrowded. You're right about places like India and China having much more serious overcrowding issues. I don't want to live in a world where everywhere looks like that, with or without futuristic megacity and arcology tech.


You're stating that we will have this tech, and within a certain time period. This is unknowable.

The 3D "food printing" tech in that article is not the same as food printing. All they're doing is using a machine to squeeze goo out of pre-filled tubes. You could just eat the goo out of the syringes to receive the same nutrients. Food printing is a different concept based on tech that doesn't exist.

I actually do believe that more advanced HMI tech is feasible within my lifetime, but not full-blown cyborg conversion lol. I would become a blade runner for sure.

There's no such thing as soil with infinite nutrients. Nutrients transfer into the plants grown in the soil. That's why even modern farms use crop rotation. Saying that "nutrients are easy to get" is a pretty ridiculous brushing off of the key issue at hand... ok, those elements exist, how are you going to harvest them and get them into the soil faster? More tech that doesn't exist today. Gotta research the crop rotation tech to increase food capacity of your farms.

Power satellites do not exist today. The use of microwave and laser beams emitted from satellites to power things on the planet is future tech. Satellites today use wide and spot beams to transmit data countries and regions. The tech required to send a high-efficiency beam of energy from a satellite traveling at 7,000mph to a single receiver does not exist. It's been tested between fixed points on the ground, but that's it. It's interesting, but it's still theoretical and not guaranteed to be possible even in the future.

You're ignoring the existence of nuclear energy. Fusion is still future-tech. For the record, I'm not a "hollywood type," not a liberal, and don't blindly support any group, let alone a political party.

Soil is an inefficient way to grow crops.

Keep talking about nutrients, but stop talking about dirt.

FFXIAH isn't exactly a reputable place to get health and safety advice and the country is starting to open up so I'm going to lock this for now, I'll open it back up this fall for Lockdown II: Electric Boogaloo.