Is Vajra Worth Making Anymore?

Plus Vajra looks good! You want it at least for /lockstyle! XD XD XD

You are mistaken here. Even before PDL on Mpu Gandring, main hit of Ruthless is still stronger than main hit on Rudra. Ruthless is the strongest SA and TA WS.

Good to know, I thought that was the case only when you could benefit from PDL.

Also to be more precise, before PDL Ruthless main hit is the best SA or TA WS among dagger WSs. Savage with Naegling is overall the strongest. SA or TA Rudra with Vajra is also stronger than with Twshtar if I remember correctly, and SA+TA Rudra with Vajra might be overall even stronger than SATA Savage.

there's also a strong argument that a THF is never safer gear-wise than in a proper Vajra AM3 set over other options. I know its not what everyone wants to talk about vs DEM DEEPS, but its a reasonable addition to the discussion.

I love my Vajra, and while its not king of the kill, its miles away from bad or worthless.

If you don't have an afterglowed Vajra lockstyled, everyone will know you're a stupid poor.

Bringing a dead thread to life. How far apart are Vajra and Twash? I currently have Aneas R15 and it's great for what it is but looking for alittle.more out of my thf. I dred farming twash and think I'd rather do a mythic since a few shell members are slowly doing the climb. That said, if it's leagues bellow twash or behind the aeonic, it would be hard to justify making it. It should be noted that I already have all of the mythics for other jobs that I ever plan on making and, don't want to make the stage 4 dagger as I'm dumb and want to go for the katana next ( I already have stage 4 pole, gs, gs, and scythe so it's not as dumb as it sounds).

It should also be noted that I'm looking at this from a raw dps, ws spam perspective and not utilizing light to the fullest or other niche uses. Content would primary be divergence when I am not spamming AE (already have the SU5 done)and helping with hate distribution on the tanks (which is another reason it is appealing to me).

Thanks in advance for opinions.

It may have been 5 years but nothing changed in regard to this.

Low priority, moved back another rung with Prime in the mix.

Though you didn't address my questions or even read my my post entirely, thank you for your opinion

If you can utilize SA and TA Vajra is great, but for just WS spam should still lose to Twashtar. Rudra's is definitely the stronger WS no matter which weapon. THF/DRG is great for hate management in Dynamis but doesn't need Vajra to do it, just accomplice/collaborator and high jump/super jump.

Theres 4 pages that already say it all.

You aren't going to use it correctly, so it doesn't matter how far apart they are. Youre going to spam ws and vajra isn't a spam weapon.

So I'll simplify it. Is it better then aeonic? I'm not asking if it's if it's better the twash. I know its not and said as much. I'd it between twash and aeonic. Is it far behind twash (50%) or more like 10 to 15% in a spam situatio?.

I also said plan to use it for hate management.

Again thank for your opinion

Also if you're comparing Vajra to Aeneas you need to consider offhand as you probably won't use TP bonus with Aeneas. It would take sim or spreadsheet to really tell how much better, but I'm pretty confident Vajra/Centovente would beat Aeneas/Gleti on anything that had enough HP to take a few WS.

If you want a general answer, it's "no". If you want specific numbers you need a lot more detail, including the stats of what you're fighting, and at that point you should probably just sim it yourself.

It's 2024, friend. Bigger SA/TA numbers are not effective hate management.


That said... You're presumably an adult, and it's your money/time. If you wanna make a Vajra, just do it rather than fishing for justification. Who cares if it's situational at best?

Speaking for the non-THF mains who want to still play the job seriously, yet ideal performance isn't their driving force vs enjoyment:

I *** love my Vajra. I also am extremely partial to Mythics, but for solo w/ trust work, Vajra's AM3, THF's natural Triple Attack Traits, and the combination of high -DT/high STP gear THF can wear...its really kind of spooky how good THF's TP gain can be while remaining in a -50% DT, high meva set. And that enables great skillchain reliability while solo without SAM roll, so that factor alone I feel makes my DPS w/ Vajra on THF at least competitive with someone riding Twash solo w/ trusts.

As for party/alliance work I can't speak for THF on that, but I would see the reasoning that Vajra isn't as potent as other options in those scenarios.

Thank you Kaffy. This is exactly the feed back I was hoping for. I do plan to make the tp bonus if I make it. It's definitely not that I feel the need, more so just trying to make one that dosent suck and it sounds like Vajra meets that requirement.

I have (and use) all daggers except prime, for now.

I have no sheets to back this up, just my eyeballs so take all of this with a heavy amount of salt, but this is how I utilize them:

Vajra is an awesome weapon and I use it way more then I thought I would. I use it in capacity/mlvl parties where your pull rate equates with 1 sa-mandalic per mob and your buffs are sketchy at best. 99k + 99k (SC damage) is common, probably one in 4 ergon mobs with only bard buffs. Also great in battlefields like SR where the party smacks mobs to death in seconds followed by a delay.

Twashtar is king with buffs and an offhand cento if you don't miss. But you do need to be fully buffed for it to win against top tier mobs. Tippy top mobs you actually still need Vajra (v25, etc). But honestly why are you playing thf there? Bring your war instead. Also anything requiring white damage like some of the weird ambuscades this dagger is my go to.

Aeonic is my all - arounder, but only vitally necessary when soloing mlvls. Self SC is kinds required there to bring a mob down in reasonable time. If I know I'm gonna be slow on ws (drunk, etc) then Aeneas / OH - Twashtar is the standard.


Tldr;
If I accidently dropped the vajra I'd immediately make it again. It's wildly useful to me in lotsa stuff.

What do you mean, 'it's not a spam weapon'? (I'm under the impression that with AM3 up, you can just go to town...) But, what play style are you advocating for when it comes to Vajra? :)

Vajra is not really worth it in terms of DPS in current meta. It's got abysmal delay (200). Mandalic Stab is lackluster in terms of damage. It's significantly weaker than Rudra's Storm (~30%) even at R15. It's got only 60% dex mod, with a max FTP 8.5, vs 80%/13 for Rudra's

However, Mandalic Stab has a 75% boost to attack which means on mobs where you can't get to attack cap, Mandalic can shine. That really narrows it down to low/no buff situations and Odyssey Gaol.

Unfortunately unless you're in a position to push a DNC out of party in Gaol, not a lot of fights where you can take a thf.

People just equate vajra to the sa/ta big number weapon. Id like to say MS gets slept on a bit with its large atk boost but at the same time anywhere youd actively need that boost youre probably better off as not-thf, but for low/mid buffs its pretty nice to utilize

Would never take thf to oddy. I have a Prime warrior and Prime Dragoon for that. It would be used as a solo weapon (htbf) and for dyanamis where I'm bringing it for TH. Even then, I'll be using SU5 for waves 1 and 2 for obvious reasons. It would be my wave 3 weapon. Again, not looking to win the parse. Just looking to be better then my current Aeonic thf.

He literally wrote, that he is using THF for TH in Dynamis D and it's the scenario he is asking about. Also for solo HTBF with TH. It's the post above yours XD

My bad, But why he want Vajra for TH the post is confusing.

He uses THF for TH, he wants to improve THF dps performance in Wave3, over his current setup, which is using Aeonic. He is asking in Vajra would achieve that.

Tbh the biggest question here would be if he can keep capped hit rate with Centovente offhand on wave 3 with his current setup. If he can't, then I don't even need to check sim to know, that Aeonic/Gleti would win.

That would be a concern and one if thought of as well. We are usually good about having madrigal up and torpor on the nms so I'm hopeful. My thf has an epic ***ton of acc so I'm hoping it won't be a detrement. That said, maybe I'll take my Tizona blu with tp sword in to see how bad it is.