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By Nausi 2019-08-27 14:04:11
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Ok, lets get you on the couch Shi. We’re gonna work theough this rationally.

How does a satirical picture indicate something is false?
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By Viciouss 2019-08-27 14:04:53
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Be careful Shi you are in danger of cornering nausi again for using trash sources that often disprove his own conspiracies.
 
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2019-08-27 14:12:12
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Caitsith.Shiroi said: »
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How does a satirical picture indicate something is false?

I'm not saying it's false. I'm saying it makes it lack credibility.
There is a huge difference.

Except that the same could be said of "reputable" news sites as well. They all selectively report facts to suit their network's political leanings. Pick your poison.
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By Nausi 2019-08-27 14:31:21
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Caitsith.Shiroi said: »
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How does a satirical picture indicate something is false?

I'm not saying it's false. I'm saying it makes it lack credibility.
There is a huge difference.
Why/how does unrelated satire make something leas credible? Mann isn't in jail, was never going to be from this incident, despite the authors opinion which we can gather and agree is that he should be in there.

Second point how about the other two sources posted that validate the source you insist doesn't have credibility?
 
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By Asura.Saevel 2019-08-27 15:06:05
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Bahamut.Ravael said: »
Caitsith.Shiroi said: »
Nausi said: »
How does a satirical picture indicate something is false?

I'm not saying it's false. I'm saying it makes it lack credibility.
There is a huge difference.

Except that the same could be said of "reputable" news sites as well. They all selectively report facts to suit their network's political leanings. Pick your poison.


You guys making this way to complicated when it's really simple.

Shiroi agrees with them, then it's reputable. Shiroi will only agree with reputable sources and sources can only be places that Shiroi agrees with. If Shiroi doesn't agree with it then it can't be reputable because Shiroi doesn't agree with it.
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By Nausi 2019-08-27 15:08:08
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Caitsith.Shiroi said: »
Nausi said: »
Why/how does unrelated satire make something leas credible?

If you can't figure that one out yourself, I can't help you sorry.

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Second point how about the other two sources posted that validate the source you insist doesn't have credibility?

They do not validate it, that's not the word you want to use.
The authors editorial opinions on Manns criminality does not discredit his work.

Thats where you’re at dude. It’s “I don’t like your opinions, so you aren’t credible”.
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By Nausi 2019-08-27 15:15:23
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Saying you “can’t help me” is just your way of saying “i can’t make a case for what I'm arguing”.
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By Viciouss 2019-08-27 15:35:20
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Caitsith.Shiroi said: »
point trying

You're completely fine. This was just another claim they failed to prove. No verdict was issued, so it's literally impossible for Mann to have lost the case. It's that simple.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2019-08-27 16:39:32
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Viciouss said: »
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point trying

You're completely fine. This was just another claim they failed to prove. No verdict was issued, so it's literally impossible for Mann to have lost the case. It's that simple.

Uh, no, it's not "literally impossible". Dismissal with prejudice is a form of judgment on a case.
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By Viciouss 2019-08-27 16:44:06
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Bahamut.Ravael said: »
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point trying

You're completely fine. This was just another claim they failed to prove. No verdict was issued, so it's literally impossible for Mann to have lost the case. It's that simple.

Uh, no, it's not "literally impossible". Dismissal with prejudice is a form of judgment on a case.

Its true, but that can't happen if one of the parties just asks the court to end the case prematurely. Based on the evidence, thats what happened. You can't accelerate the court's timeline because you aren't happy with the way its going. All you can do is file a motion to dismiss before a verdict is reached. No one wins, no one loses. Again, based on the evidence, Ball filed that motion in May.
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By Asura.Saevel 2019-08-27 17:08:12
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Bahamut.Ravael said: »
Viciouss said: »
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point trying

You're completely fine. This was just another claim they failed to prove. No verdict was issued, so it's literally impossible for Mann to have lost the case. It's that simple.

Uh, no, it's not "literally impossible". Dismissal with prejudice is a form of judgment on a case.

Dismissal with prejudice is, by definition, a loss for the plaintiff and a win for the defendant.
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By Nausi 2019-08-27 17:14:32
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Bahamut.Ravael said: »
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point trying

You're completely fine. This was just another claim they failed to prove. No verdict was issued, so it's literally impossible for Mann to have lost the case. It's that simple.

Uh, no, it's not "literally impossible". Dismissal with prejudice is a form of judgment on a case.
Vuc BTFO-ed again? Who could have seen that coming?
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By Viciouss 2019-08-27 17:18:00
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Asura.Saevel said: »
Bahamut.Ravael said: »
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point trying

You're completely fine. This was just another claim they failed to prove. No verdict was issued, so it's literally impossible for Mann to have lost the case. It's that simple.

Uh, no, it's not "literally impossible". Dismissal with prejudice is a form of judgment on a case.

Dismissal with prejudice is, by definition, a loss for the plaintiff and a win for the defendant.

No evidence this occurred. This isn't hard.
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By Nausi 2019-08-27 17:20:50
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No it means I can't or I don't see the point trying because you obviously don't want to understand.
I understand just fine.

You don’t by default consider opinions that differ from your own, legitimate BECAUSE they differ from your own. Thats why you interpret something like a satirical and editorial representation of Mann behind bars as validating.
 
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By Garuda.Chanti 2019-08-27 17:55:38
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Principia Scientific International (PSI) is an organization based in the United Kingdom which promotes fringe views and material to claim that carbon dioxide is not a greenhouse gas. PSI was formed in 2010 around the time they published their first book, titled Slaying the Sky Dragon: Death of the Greenhouse Gas Theory. [1]

PSI claims it provides its members with a “reliable port of call to ascertain the facts behind the news stories to better judge whether information being presented by third parties is accurate information and reflects a balanced view of all facets of the subject.” [2]

The PSI website says the organization is “for everyone who supports the traditions [sic] scientific method against the rise of sinister and secretive government funded 'post normal science'.”

As of 2014, PSI described itself as a “not-for-profit community interest subsidiary of PSI Acumen Ltd. That statement has since been removed. [2]

PSI Acumen was registered with Companies House in the UK in March 2013 (see PDF) as a private company, with an address in Battersea Park Road, London. In July 2013, the business address of PSI Acumen was changed (PDF) to an address in Great Yarmouth, Norfolk, which is the same as the home address of John O'Sullivan, the organization's founder and chief executive officer. PSI Acument LTD was dissolved (PDF) on October 15, 2014. [3], [4], [5]

The two named directors were John O'Sullivan, of the UK, and a Walter James O'Brien, with a US address listed in Fargo, North Dakota. Emails published by climate skeptic blogger Pete Ridley suggest that Walter James O'Brien no longer has any connection to the PSI Acument company. [3], [6]

Principia Scientific reports that one of their “proudest endeavors is the ongoing support given to world-leading independent climatologist, Dr Tim Ball,” who is also a founding member and former chairman of PCI. [7]
https://www.desmogblog.com/principia-scientific-international

Look I am not saying the case was not lost. Just its only news in the climate change denial community.

I also REALLY want to know why those Ausie newspapers spiked the story so quickly.
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By Viciouss 2019-08-27 18:21:43
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Garuda.Chanti said: »
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Principia Scientific International (PSI) is an organization based in the United Kingdom which promotes fringe views and material to claim that carbon dioxide is not a greenhouse gas. PSI was formed in 2010 around the time they published their first book, titled Slaying the Sky Dragon: Death of the Greenhouse Gas Theory. [1]

PSI claims it provides its members with a “reliable port of call to ascertain the facts behind the news stories to better judge whether information being presented by third parties is accurate information and reflects a balanced view of all facets of the subject.” [2]

The PSI website says the organization is “for everyone who supports the traditions [sic] scientific method against the rise of sinister and secretive government funded 'post normal science'.”

As of 2014, PSI described itself as a “not-for-profit community interest subsidiary of PSI Acumen Ltd. That statement has since been removed. [2]

PSI Acumen was registered with Companies House in the UK in March 2013 (see PDF) as a private company, with an address in Battersea Park Road, London. In July 2013, the business address of PSI Acumen was changed (PDF) to an address in Great Yarmouth, Norfolk, which is the same as the home address of John O'Sullivan, the organization's founder and chief executive officer. PSI Acument LTD was dissolved (PDF) on October 15, 2014. [3], [4], [5]

The two named directors were John O'Sullivan, of the UK, and a Walter James O'Brien, with a US address listed in Fargo, North Dakota. Emails published by climate skeptic blogger Pete Ridley suggest that Walter James O'Brien no longer has any connection to the PSI Acument company. [3], [6]

Principia Scientific reports that one of their “proudest endeavors is the ongoing support given to world-leading independent climatologist, Dr Tim Ball,” who is also a founding member and former chairman of PCI. [7]
https://www.desmogblog.com/principia-scientific-international

Look I am not saying the case was not lost. Just its only news in the climate change denial community.

I also REALLY want to know why those Ausie newspapers spiked the story so quickly.

Probably because they couldn't corroborate Tim Ball's claims. Thats what nausi and Saevel are hinging all of their hopes on. His request to end the case prematurely doesn't match up with his claim that he was awarded costs.
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By fonewear 2019-08-27 18:26:35
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As I was scrolling down, it only had his eyes and above on my screen. I thought Dr Phil got arrested and couldn't wait to see what he did.

Dr. Phil tends to relax by sitting in a comfy chair and psychoanalyzing himself...wait that's what I do !
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By fonewear 2019-08-27 18:27:25
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And get this...this so called "Dr" doesn't even practice medicine he just gives people "advice" on TV hell I could do that !
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By fonewear 2019-08-27 18:29:56
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As far as climate change...yes the climate is changing...and there is not a damn thing we can do about it...

Well maybe there is but we'll let future generations figure that ***out...
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By Nausi 2019-08-27 18:57:46
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Garuda.Chanti said: »
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Principia Scientific International (PSI) is an organization based in the United Kingdom which promotes fringe views and material to claim that carbon dioxide is not a greenhouse gas. PSI was formed in 2010 around the time they published their first book, titled Slaying the Sky Dragon: Death of the Greenhouse Gas Theory. [1]

PSI claims it provides its members with a “reliable port of call to ascertain the facts behind the news stories to better judge whether information being presented by third parties is accurate information and reflects a balanced view of all facets of the subject.” [2]

The PSI website says the organization is “for everyone who supports the traditions [sic] scientific method against the rise of sinister and secretive government funded 'post normal science'.”

As of 2014, PSI described itself as a “not-for-profit community interest subsidiary of PSI Acumen Ltd. That statement has since been removed. [2]

PSI Acumen was registered with Companies House in the UK in March 2013 (see PDF) as a private company, with an address in Battersea Park Road, London. In July 2013, the business address of PSI Acumen was changed (PDF) to an address in Great Yarmouth, Norfolk, which is the same as the home address of John O'Sullivan, the organization's founder and chief executive officer. PSI Acument LTD was dissolved (PDF) on October 15, 2014. [3], [4], [5]

The two named directors were John O'Sullivan, of the UK, and a Walter James O'Brien, with a US address listed in Fargo, North Dakota. Emails published by climate skeptic blogger Pete Ridley suggest that Walter James O'Brien no longer has any connection to the PSI Acument company. [3], [6]

Principia Scientific reports that one of their “proudest endeavors is the ongoing support given to world-leading independent climatologist, Dr Tim Ball,” who is also a founding member and former chairman of PCI. [7]
https://www.desmogblog.com/principia-scientific-international

Look I am not saying the case was not lost. Just its only news in the climate change denial community.

I also REALLY want to know why those Ausie newspapers spiked the story so quickly.
This is hilarious, how does having bias make things that ARE true, untrue?

You guys are so predictable with this ***, you don’t even get you keep reinforcing MY point. By ducking my arguments.
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By Viciouss 2019-08-27 19:01:17
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lol, nobody has ducked anything. This is just another case of nausi hoping for an outcome while everyone else waits for the facts.
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By fonewear 2019-08-27 21:50:35
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I consulted a scientist he told me I was too stupid to understand him so that took a lot off my mind.
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By fonewear 2019-08-27 21:51:24
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Garuda.Chanti said: »
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Principia Scientific International (PSI) is an organization based in the United Kingdom which promotes fringe views and material to claim that carbon dioxide is not a greenhouse gas. PSI was formed in 2010 around the time they published their first book, titled Slaying the Sky Dragon: Death of the Greenhouse Gas Theory. [1]

PSI claims it provides its members with a “reliable port of call to ascertain the facts behind the news stories to better judge whether information being presented by third parties is accurate information and reflects a balanced view of all facets of the subject.” [2]

The PSI website says the organization is “for everyone who supports the traditions [sic] scientific method against the rise of sinister and secretive government funded 'post normal science'.”

As of 2014, PSI described itself as a “not-for-profit community interest subsidiary of PSI Acumen Ltd. That statement has since been removed. [2]

PSI Acumen was registered with Companies House in the UK in March 2013 (see PDF) as a private company, with an address in Battersea Park Road, London. In July 2013, the business address of PSI Acumen was changed (PDF) to an address in Great Yarmouth, Norfolk, which is the same as the home address of John O'Sullivan, the organization's founder and chief executive officer. PSI Acument LTD was dissolved (PDF) on October 15, 2014. [3], [4], [5]

The two named directors were John O'Sullivan, of the UK, and a Walter James O'Brien, with a US address listed in Fargo, North Dakota. Emails published by climate skeptic blogger Pete Ridley suggest that Walter James O'Brien no longer has any connection to the PSI Acument company. [3], [6]

Principia Scientific reports that one of their “proudest endeavors is the ongoing support given to world-leading independent climatologist, Dr Tim Ball,” who is also a founding member and former chairman of PCI. [7]
https://www.desmogblog.com/principia-scientific-international

Look I am not saying the case was not lost. Just its only news in the climate change denial community.

I also REALLY want to know why those Ausie newspapers spiked the story so quickly.

So you are telling me their entire job is to study CO2 what kind of a ***job is that...they are already full of hot air !
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By fonewear 2019-08-27 21:52:24
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*** it add some more O3 to the ozone layer that will stop them dem greenhouse gases I tell ya hwat !
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