Cloudius777 said: »
As requested from many of you SMNs who wanted an updated BiS gearset guide.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-VlQcJ47iI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-VlQcJ47iI
Why not just... post the sets? I'm not watching a video.
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Cloudius777 said: » As requested from many of you SMNs who wanted an updated BiS gearset guide. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-VlQcJ47iI Why not just... post the sets? I'm not watching a video. thoughts on /SCH or /BLM for XP Nuke partys?
Been playing around with Oshala > Flaming Crush > Aero II / Burst / Tornado. Was getting about 20k+ Aero II's amd 40k Ancient Magic spells on Magic Bursts. Cloudius777 said: » Was getting about 20k+ Aero II's amd 40k Ancient Magic spells on Magic Bursts. This is WITHOUT GEO btw, only trust party. Tarage said: » Cloudius777 said: » As requested from many of you SMNs who wanted an updated BiS gearset guide. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-VlQcJ47iI Why not just... post the sets? I'm not watching a video. Probably the biggest takeaway here is that 90% of the viewable screen (his character breathing) has nothing of interest for the viewer. Also can't see anything on a mobile device. Not sure about the content though as yeah, 11 minutes is quite long. Cloudius777 said: » thoughts on /SCH or /BLM for XP Nuke partys? Been playing around with Oshala > Flaming Crush > Aero II / Burst / Tornado. Was getting about 20k+ Aero II's amd 40k Ancient Magic spells on Magic Bursts. I guess you could try to do both... Ranoutofspace said: » Tarage said: » Cloudius777 said: » As requested from many of you SMNs who wanted an updated BiS gearset guide. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-VlQcJ47iI Why not just... post the sets? I'm not watching a video. Probably the biggest takeaway here is that 90% of the viewable screen (his character breathing) has nothing of interest for the viewer. Also can't see anything on a mobile device. Not sure about the content though as yeah, 11 minutes is quite long. Ugh, curiosity got the better of me. Watched it incognito. I'm only gonna call out the wrong/weird picks. Idle: Elan Strap +1(Why idle? Either go for refresh or Khonsu for -DT) Beckoner's Doublet +3(I guess if you don't have Nirvana? He says for perp which... why?) Murky Ring(I guess?) Shenddick Ring +1(I guess? Fleet wind seems good enough for me...) Beckoner's Spats +3(I use Assiduily Pants +1 personally) Platinum Moogle Belt(????????????????????) Siphon: No weapon or grip(???????????) Baayami hat +1(Completely incorrect. Telchine Cap can get 35 Siphon, so this is objectively NOT best in slot) Kobo obi(Again incorrect, Ligeia Sash is better) He also doesn't account for weather or day bonuses, so no Zodiac Ring... Delay: Summoner's Collar +2(???????????????????????????????????????????) He has an Avatar's Favor set for some reason. I'm not gonna bother writing it all down. Hybrid: He doesn't use a staff... Convoker's Doublet +4(I'm not sure if this is better than Apogee) Apogee Slacks(He has path D, not A. Double attack is better than MAB? Seems wrong to me) Magical: He doesn't use a staff... Convoker's Doublet +4(Again I'm not sure this is best for magic over Apogee...) Physical: Apogee Crown +1(Isn't Helios better?) Beckoner's Bracers +3(????????????????) Beckoner's Pigaches +3(???????????????) Of note, he does not have a multi-hit set. He ONLY has physical set. He does not use an Incarnation Sash at all. He does not use Glyphic Doublet +4. He does not use Apogee Slacks +1 with double attack. I don't know what to say. Ward: This is the only set he has correct, but it's just skill. I never saw a Nirvana. I never saw a Grioavolr. I never saw any staff except Opashoro. And he advertises his twitch channel afterwards. {Thanks for the offer, but I'll have to pass.} He doesn't use a staff? Wtf?
got some weird crybabies in here over literally nothing, if watching youtube isnt your thing then you do you but you can do it without complaining.
But here's another video for the people that actually want to sit back and watch something on the side. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWxDKMcr9I0 Just missing the point of the things people wanna see, I guess in this case is an Oshala showcase, is how much Oshala is actually doing but...its like 10 pixels big on your screen. Mabye just getting old but, you gotta increase the UI size or make a video focusing on the part people want to see, like the equipment menu or the chat log.
![]() Compared to something like: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QqnPTiVTOs Genoxd said: » He doesn't use a staff? Wtf? Cloudius777 said: » got some weird crybabies in here over literally nothing, if watching youtube isnt your thing then you do you but you can do it without complaining. But here's another video for the people that actually want to sit back and watch something on the side. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWxDKMcr9I0 EDIT: Oh god, on a whim, I decided to watch the other video. He subs WAR "For the double attack and provoke". And then he wiffs. You can't make this ***up. Carbuncle.Papesse said: » Finally got the motivation to recheck Ifrit's DA and the last Favor tiers. 575 skill and Favor +6: Ifrit: 22% DA 670 skill and Favor +7 (horn, legs, gift): Carbuncle : 32 HP Titan : 122 DEF Garuda : 52 EVA Shiva : 54 MAB Ramuh: 25% Crit Diabolos : 9 MP Cait Sith: 36 MDB Siren: 26 SBII 735 skill and Favor +7: Carbuncle : 33 HP Ifrit: 23% DA Titan : 127 DEF Garuda : 55 EVA Shiva : 57 MAB Ramuh: 25% Crit Diabolos : 9 MP Cait Sith: 38 MDB Siren: 27 SBII Double Attack parse: [1-hit] 77.86% (3502s), [2-hit] 22.14% (996s) [1-hit] 76.83% (3004s), [2-hit] 23.17% (906s) Critical hit rate was tested in Abyssea with Ramuh’s Favor (25), base rate (5), merits (5), dDEX (15), Razed Ruins (30) and crit gear (19-20) Subtle Blow II was tested with Charm and <pettp> I went an updated the wiki with your findings: https://www.bg-wiki.com/ffxi/Avatar%27s_Favor However... there's some oddities here. If it goes by the existing pattern, Diabolos's refresh and Ifrit's double attack should be different values than what you found. Do you have any idea what's going on here? Do you have your numbers for below the last two tiers you reported? If so I'll update the table. Tarage said: » Hybrid: ... Apogee Slacks(He has path D, not A. Double attack is better than MAB? Seems wrong to me) I use path A myself because my gut tells me it should be better, but I'm not really sure it is. As for everything else you said, I 100% agree. There are some weird choices in those sets. The physical one especially. Definitely not BIS. Asura.Pergatory said: » Tarage said: » Hybrid: ... Apogee Slacks(He has path D, not A. Double attack is better than MAB? Seems wrong to me) I use path A myself because my gut tells me it should be better, but I'm not really sure it is. As for everything else you said, I 100% agree. There are some weird choices in those sets. The physical one especially. Definitely not BIS. That's why I left it as a question. Regardless, it's mostly just taking existing sets, but also getting some of them completely wrong. Tarage said: » EDIT: Oh god, on a whim, I decided to watch the other video. He subs WAR "For the double attack and provoke". And then he wiffs. You can't make this ***up. Please send me your 100% weapon skill accuracy set. i'd love to see it. Cloudius777 said: » Tarage said: » EDIT: Oh god, on a whim, I decided to watch the other video. He subs WAR "For the double attack and provoke". And then he wiffs. You can't make this ***up. Please send me your 100% weapon skill accuracy set. i'd love to see it. For one thing I don't melee. Regardless, I'm not the one advertising a "BIS Guide" that no one can read that is also wrong. That's on you bucko. who let this reddit mod on ffxiah anyway?
your whole argument is "i dont want to watch your video so stop having fun"
Tarage said: » Genoxd said: » He doesn't use a staff? Wtf? Cloudius777 said: » got some weird crybabies in here over literally nothing, if watching youtube isnt your thing then you do you but you can do it without complaining. But here's another video for the people that actually want to sit back and watch something on the side. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWxDKMcr9I0 EDIT: Oh god, on a whim, I decided to watch the other video. He subs WAR "For the double attack and provoke". And then he wiffs. You can't make this ***up. Oh yes DA and provoke those well known sources of accuracy. Considering the only acc buffs are Cornelia and probably food there are going to be a few misses. The main damage is going to be coming from Ifrit and the skillchain. You also go through bitching about his sets... which are in game equipsets you can see the menu, they are designed to not swap the weapon out of the S5 Prime Staff for pretty obvious reason, he doesn't want to wipe his TP. Yes hes using Empy+3 body for perp as he isn't using Nirvana and doesn't have -perp on the staff slot so he can main S5 prime. A game like XI doesn't have a clear cut "BiS" set unlike other games... stuff is situational. He is meleeing for TP to use to skillchain with Ifrit to make the mob die a lot quicker than just Ifrit doing BPs alone. These sets pretty much look fit for purpose... you really shouldn't hate on them for having sets that lock in the weapon slot for when he is meleeing. You didn't see his Nirvana, Grioavolr, Espiritus as you clearly weren't looking, its all there when he opens his mog wardrobe. As for the helios instead of other pieces... who the *** cares its Summoner only fights of note you are going to these days you are using Cait Sith to lower TP while the real jobs do the work. Anything else is old content and if you are using a BPD+12 piece over a BPD+7 DA+8 piece it doesn't really matter. For the record I don't know this person, never played with them and only just watched his video. finally someone who gets it lol
Bahamut.Creaucent said: » A game like XI doesn't have a clear cut "BiS" set unlike other games... stuff is situational. Doesnt really matter, the difference would be so minor it's not realistically calculatable, just because i dont use much pet double attack and focus more on BPD+ I do more consistant damage as opposed to hoping for double attack chance for damage.
and if you hit for 99999 flaming crushes anyway then dbl att is pointless
Cloudius777 said: » Doesnt really matter, the difference would be so minor it's not realistically calculatable Had you titled the video like you did years ago "my endgame sets" you'd get less pushback, but there's still critique about your sets regardless of situation, that as someone who makes videos should take in consideration of "hmm maybe I should upgrade this piece" or give an explanation of "I know that's better, but I like the consistency that pure BPD gives me" instead of hostility I would think. Bahamut.Creaucent said: » Again its Summoner... they could delete the job and it wont effect the game much in any way. Cloudius777 said: » and if you hit for 99999 flaming crushes anyway then dbl att is pointless This ignorew the fact that different mobs exist in the game. Do you hit 99,999 on every single target, every single time? If not, then optimizing stats does matter. It's also like...the whole point of the game? Idc either way, haven't watched the video and I won't, but I think it's fair when you put your equipment forward as BIS and make recommendations to others that you are inviting criticism. If you don't want criticism, don't make videos or posts proporting to give advice and advertise/promote yourself as a source of truth, advice, or guidance. Carbuncle.Maletaru said: » Cloudius777 said: » and if you hit for 99999 flaming crushes anyway then dbl att is pointless This ignorew the fact that different mobs exist in the game. Do you hit 99,999 on every single target, every single time? If not, then optimizing stats does matter. It's also like...the whole point of the game? Idc either way, haven't watched the video and I won't, but I think it's fair when you put your equipment forward as BIS and make recommendations to others that you are inviting criticism. If you don't want criticism, don't make videos or posts proporting to give advice and advertise/promote yourself as a source of truth, advice, or guidance. There is criticism and then there is someone exploding over "No weapon or grip(???????????)" and "He doesn't use a staff..." when you can clearly see the staff the sets are built around. I swear if some people had 2 braincells to rub together they would be dangerous. Garfield said: » Bahamut.Creaucent said: » Again its Summoner... they could delete the job and it wont effect the game much in any way. SMN was my 75 endgame job and I really enjoyed it but the harsh reality is its fairly useless other than Cait Sith and 2 other jobs can do what Cait Sith does just as well. it's literally a difference of playstyle, some people trust the pet dbl attack route, others go for the straight up damage% route. like i said, not worth puffing out your chest for, in my experience these sets have worked for me and EVERY SINGLE TIME using SMN in HELM fights I was ALWAYS the dealing the most damage, only once someone beat me on damage and it was by 1~2%, so as i said this has worked for me, some people can either copy that or choose to go their own way but i'm not gonna tear into them if they do.
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