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By Anna Ruthven 2018-01-02 21:39:26
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By Valefor.Endoq 2018-01-02 21:56:09
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What do you call a nun sleep walking?
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By fonewear 2018-01-02 23:04:09
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This thread isn't locked yet ?
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2018-01-02 23:07:48
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2018 Edition? That was soooooooooo two days ago.
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By Valefor.Endoq 2018-01-03 02:34:43
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so two thousand and late-teen...
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By Ramyrez 2018-01-03 07:38:29
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Valefor.Endoq said: »
so two thousand and late-teen...

*** you. Making me actually lol.
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By Ramyrez 2018-01-03 09:31:50
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If killing a person because they have downs syndrome would be a hate crime, how is aborting a baby for the sole reason of being downs syndrome not a hate crime?

Feels slightly strawmannish to bother including the Downs issue. You're just arguing against abortion period.

Please note, I am not taking one side or another here. I'm just stating the problem with your proposition.
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By Siren.Mosin 2018-01-03 09:37:39
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take a side ***.
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By fonewear 2018-01-03 09:50:49
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If killing a person because they have downs syndrome would be a hate crime, how is aborting a baby for the sole reason of being downs syndrome not a hate crime?

You asking for a friend right....
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By Ramyrez 2018-01-03 09:57:53
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take a side ***.

Broadly speaking I'm pro-choice.

I have a strong distaste for abortions after a point of potential viability when a C-section would really be of no greater danger than an abortion. But that is a personal belief and not one I'm prepared to force upon anyone else.



But I just don't see the point in another fruitless abortion debate. I reject the "opening it on new grounds" by adding a new condition to the issue, Downs or otherwise.
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By fonewear 2018-01-03 10:01:02
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DirectX said: »
Ramyrez said: »
Feels slightly strawmannish to bother including the Downs issue. You're just arguing against abortion period.

Please note, I am not taking one side or another here. I'm just stating the problem with your proposition.

My question is simple: If killing someone with downs syndrome for the sole purpose of them having downs syndrome then how is aborting a baby for the sole purpose of having downs syndrome not a hate crime?

Feel free to explain how it is a straw man for an argument on abortion because I cannot see how it is. The specific issue of downs syndrome differs massively from choice or other causal factors for abortion.

I have no relatives or friends with downs syndrome. I am asking purely from the perspective of logic and consistency.

First you need is a big black garbage bag...
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By Ramyrez 2018-01-03 10:01:27
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I am asking purely from the perspective of logic and consistency.

No, you're not. Because:

DirectX said: »
Feel free to explain how it is a straw man for an argument on abortion because I cannot see how it is. The specific issue of downs syndrome differs massively from choice or other causal factors for abortion.

Downs can be taken out of this comment and still have it achieve the same goal.

"It is a crime to kill a person because they have Down's Syndrome, how is it not illegal to abort a fetus tested to carry Down's Syndrome markers?"

"It is illegal to kill a person, how is it not illegal to abort a fetus?"

You're simply narrowing the broader question. The broader question is the one you care about. You're looking for a foothold to broach the broader question.
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By fonewear 2018-01-03 10:02:19
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Well as this was my first post in this forum ever it is not yet another abortion discussion as far as I knew. If you're bored of the topic and have no opinion on the specific question then don't reply? Not sure what your non-answer and then a post moaning about the subject really acheives. I am eager to hear more opinions on this.

I'm eager to give you advice on how to dispose of a body.
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By Siren.Mosin 2018-01-03 10:02:32
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My question is simple: If killing someone with downs syndrome for the sole purpose of them having downs syndrome then how is aborting a baby for the sole purpose of having downs syndrome not a hate crime?

you lost me at 'hate crime'.
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By Ramyrez 2018-01-03 10:02:54
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Well as this was my first post in this forum ever

Your first mistake was wading into P&R.

Your second mistake was bringing up an argument constantly rehashed on a national level in P&R.

Congratulations. See you on PAGE NINE.
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By Siren.Mosin 2018-01-03 10:03:32
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You're looking for a foothold to broach the broader question.

yeah, let's skip the foreplay.
 
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By fonewear 2018-01-03 10:05:00
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Maybe it's a hate crime if the baby is a member of the black panthers....
 
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By fonewear 2018-01-03 10:06:12
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DirectX said: »
Ramyrez said: »
DirectX said: »
I am asking purely from the perspective of logic and consistency.

No, you're not. Because:

DirectX said: »
Feel free to explain how it is a straw man for an argument on abortion because I cannot see how it is. The specific issue of downs syndrome differs massively from choice or other causal factors for abortion.

Downs can be taken out of this comment and still have it achieve the same goal.

"It is a crime to kill a person because they have Down's Syndrome, how is it not illegal to abort a fetus tested to carry Down's Syndrome markers?"

"It is illegal to kill a person, how is it not illegal to abort a fetus?"

You're simply narrowing the broader question. The broader question is the one you care about. You're looking for a foothold to broach the broader question.
Well I am specifically asking about hate crime, not crime. In a country where it is LEGAL to have abortions based on personal choice it is completely different to having an abortion based on the dislike of a disorder. If you cannot comprehend this I'm wasting my time here.
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By Ramyrez 2018-01-03 10:06:25
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Well I am specifically asking about hate crime, not crime. In a country where it is LEGAL to have abortions based on personal choice it is completely different to having an abortion based on the dislike of a disorder. If you cannot comprehend this I'm wasting my time here.
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By Ramyrez 2018-01-03 10:07:02
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DirectX said: »
Well I am specifically asking about hate crime, not crime. In a country where it is LEGAL to have abortions based on personal choice it is completely different to having an abortion based on the dislike of a disorder. If you cannot comprehend this I'm wasting my time here.

In a country where abortion is legal, your reason for having an abortion doesn't matter. It's legal whatever the reason.
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By fonewear 2018-01-03 10:07:29
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Reading this thread could be considered a hate crime...cause I'm hating myself right now.
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By Ramyrez 2018-01-03 10:07:58
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DirectX said: »
If you cannot comprehend this I'm wasting my time here.
AGREED GOOD DAY TO YOU SIR !!!

It's like he doesn't understand that's all we do here is waste time.
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By Siren.Mosin 2018-01-03 10:08:28
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If you cannot comprehend this I'm wasting my time here.

whether we understand what you're saying or not, you're still wasting your time here.
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I'm starting think the FFXI section might be a good idea if we keep having abortions in here !
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