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By Bismarck.Indigla 2017-10-23 02:39:33
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A bit odd perhaps, but a while back I made a melee set for BLM for Omen to help with completing weapon skill objectives and opening or closing skillchains to do magic burst objectives or weapon skill damage objectives. It also works pretty well for getting MP back quickly via Myrkr so you can do Death for 15,000 damage objectives.

Just was wondering if anyone else tried something similar and if I may have overlooked any gear. Maybe some would find it helpful so I'll just leave it here. The rings are what I think would be ideal, but you could replace them with a lot of other comparable rings that are almost as good.

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By geigei 2017-10-23 06:37:54
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I did something similar for whm, dw clubs, with indi-haste and sam roll, tp gain is pretty fast and helps a lot if you lowman.
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By Asura.Toralin 2017-10-23 06:45:18
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Did the same thing but built Occult Acumen set. you can get 1k TP from a Thunder5

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I did this for a couple reasons, mostly because the melee gear out there sucked, and it was much easier on inventory to build Occult Acumen set. If you have 6-7 jobs geared everything is probably 80/80
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By Bismarck.Nickeny 2017-10-23 10:07:24
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Anyone have one with manawall up?
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By Odin.Geriond 2017-10-23 10:44:52
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As long as you're not tanking, Raetic Bangles would be better for the hands slot.
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By Phoenix.Capuchin 2017-10-23 14:30:23
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Blistering Sallet +1 is an option, but that's a slot where you could get a lot more acc (as well as stuff like DEX, STP, multiattack, etc.) out of a Merlinic Hood. I have like an Merlinic Acc+39 augment that I held onto from tossing random pieces at Oseem during DM campaign.

Your additional consideration there is that Blistering has 2 more haste (and the set in OP is only Haste+25%). Could counter that loss with either a Merlinic Jubbah (Haste +3% versus Jhakri's pitiful Haste +1%), or Hasty Pinion +1% (suffer a hit to STP, but haste/acc is pretty good). Probably want to figure out TP/hit and not drop a hit, but for the use cases here it's not really that important to get excess TP above 1000 (like it would be focusing on WS damage for a WS that scales with TP), you're just looking to get to WS quickly or open a SC.

Though, yeah, I guess a good Occult Acumen set would be the easier route!
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By Leviathan.Stamos 2017-10-23 14:54:32
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Telchine can be augmented with +3 haste in the head slot, along with acc. Alternatively, you can put +10 haste on a cape if you want to go that route. Leaving you with more freedom.
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By Bismarck.Indigla 2017-10-23 16:10:40
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Leviathan.Stamos said: »
Telchine can be augmented with +3 haste in the head slot, along with acc. Alternatively, you can put +10 haste on a cape if you want to go that route. Leaving you with more freedom.
Threw together an alternative set based off your comment, unless my math is wrong it's on average ~+10 more store tp with just a little less accuracy around -11.25. Thanks for the replies everyone.
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By Leviathan.Stamos 2017-10-23 16:21:05
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You probably can mix/match more than just going 4x Telchine.
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By Phoenix.Capuchin 2017-10-23 16:47:06
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Bismarck.Indigla said: »
Threw together an alternative set based off your comment, unless my math is wrong it's on average ~+10 more store tp with just a little less accuracy around -11.25. Thanks for the replies everyone.ItemSet 353900

Happen to know the total /checkparam acc on that set? Perhaps I'm wrong, but at a glance I'd be somewhat concerned that it would be a little too low to cap on Omen mobs, especially if you aren't getting acc buffs (which I'd assume most BLMs won't be getting much of). Might be better off with some higher Acc pieces to cap hit rate.

Also want to actually check TP/hit and needed STP for x-hit, for a 2h weapon melee build. If you're just short of an x-hit reduction, reworking to add more STP would be a priority. If your TP set is overdoing STP, it doesn't do a lot of good for you for this purpose (you just want to get to 1000 to WS quickly, no real concern about maximizing WS damage so TP overflow is of little importance) so there may be slots where you're currently using STP but you could be better off prioritizing acc and/or multiattack.

However, the bigger picture: I kinda have to believe Occult Acumen is the right answer here for fast TP generation. Can't imagine melee beating the speed of a 1-2 spell OA set, and you can get more mage-appropriate buffs (even if you don't care about damage, idk, refresh or something - and something like a COR using Samurai/Tactician's Roll would be helpful too). And optimizing a melee set would require attack speed buffs (March, GEO haste), which would only help melees - are you in a party with all of the others also doing melee? I'd assume that most BLM would end up in a mage-heavy party, and your fellow mages probably WON'T be meleeing for their TP.

It's still an interesting little thought exercise, just not sure I'm convinced it actually has practical uses that would beat the alternatives. Best case scenario I can imagine is maaaaaybe if you're trying to avoid doing too much nuke damage and spamming WS until you hit objectives, but... is that really THAT much of a problem for your group that you can't throw in some nukes (in a set optimized for OA, not magic damage) and still complete objectives, and quite quickly if you have mage backline adding WS to the mix?
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By Bismarck.Indigla 2017-10-23 17:13:56
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The set I initially posted (substituting Petrov and Rajas rings since I don't have Chirich ones) is 1004 acc as BLM/RDM, with Sublime Sushi you hit fine on trash in Omen. Think it's a 5-hit, but I don't know how much over storing tp it is. Never tried OA set, but I'd imagine it's less hassle since you can focus on one mob at a time and grind out weaponskill objectives without killing it too quickly.
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By Asura.Sechs 2017-10-24 01:35:14
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If you need more haste don't forget the ammo Hasty Pinion +1. Provides some Acc and 2% Haste, can be useful to reach 26% at the loss of 2stp from White Tathlum.

Also please don't forget the existance of Onca Suit.
That + Telchine Cap (haste augment) or Blistering+1 and Hasty Pinion+1 is already haste cap, while also providing a really good chunk of DT if you need be, and a nice DA+10, which is probably more than you would get from full Telchine (since you'd be using the DA slot to go for Haste).
All of this while leaving the Waist slot free for you to use Windbuffet +1.

This set provides less acc than the one you posted on top with 2x Jhakri+2 pieces, and also less STP, but way more DA and it also requires less inventory space and less time to obtain the set.
This might not be an issue for very resourceful/patient people, but for many other they probably wouldn't want to spend gazilion of time/gil in stones hoping for the right augments and wasting unnecessary inventory slots when they can get pretty satisfying results already with a combination of Onca Suit and other items.


Phoenix.Capuchin said: »
However, the bigger picture: I kinda have to believe Occult Acumen is the right answer here for fast TP generation.
Depends on your goal.
In a general situation I completely agree. You and Toralin nailed it already.

But if we're talking about Omen and especially Floor 1, 2 or 4 where you have limited time and often limited targets, you can't really waste them with tier5 to generate 1000 TP.
Better to physically melee and spam a low WS.
I like Club on jobs with a decent enough club skill, staff for the others (Gozuki Mezuki is the best in that regard, Kirin's Staff is otherwise pretty decent).
If your accuracy/buffs allow you to reach the required values, using low level multiattack weapons (kraken club, mercurial pole) is even better! Your WS will do less damage and you will gain TP faster.
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By Phoenix.Capuchin 2017-10-24 22:20:23
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Asura.Sechs said: »
But if we're talking about Omen and especially Floor 1, 2 or 4 where you have limited time and often limited targets, you can't really waste them with tier5 to generate 1000 TP.
Better to physically melee and spam a low WS.

Possibly, and honestly I haven't really even tried much BLM WS spam in Omen, but I do use RNG a lot in there where I encounter a similar situation. Tried RNG melee with a strong TP set, but I've found it MUCH faster to generate TP through shooting as opposed to melee. I'll still use a weak WS like Energy Drain or Shadowstich, and I haven't found the TP phase damage to be so strong so we run out of mobs or kill too quickly to risk missing the WS objective.

Basically the same idea for BLM. You COULD melee for the TP, but if your OA set doesn't have tons of MAB and you're not bursting - which should be the case - your spells won't be that strong to kill everything too fast, and you're probably fine nuking for TP and getting it faster than even a capped delay/acc melee setup. MP also shouldn't be a big issue between Myrkr spam (unless you need to spam physical WS only), AF body, and any buffs (you can tell GEO or BRD to use refresh buffs, since you don't need stuff that increases spell damage).
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By Asura.Sechs 2017-10-25 01:02:47
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Off topic but meleeing on rng works very well with kraken club xD
 
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