Random Politics & Religion #28: The Last One

Leftists hate national identity, it stops them from forming a collective communist world government which is their end goal. After breaking down all national identities they can then unite the world under a single government, controlled by them of course.

When viewed from that angle everything they do makes perfect sense.

I would think anyone who identifies as any flavor of libertarian would find patriotism to be as distasteful as any "leftist" as it still emphasizes putting a collective first and sacrificing for the greater good. It's just what you're sacrificing for who.

If'n you don't like 'murica then why don'cha jus git out!!

If I didn't like America, I would.

In the words of a former Navy Seal:

“Patriotism is earned not mandated”


That’s really what this is all about.

No one gives a damn about any of our opinions on the topic, but frankly while I understand why the protesting started -- even Saev has railed against police abuse of power and lack of oversight/hiding behind the blue line -- I think it was a poorly-planned way to get the point across.

I really do think both "sides" of this argument have significant merit.

That is to say, to anyone who wasn't paying very close attention from the get-go, it looks like a protest of the government/country in general and you can see why someone who isn't really interested sees it as an insult to the flag, country, and military and not as a way of bringing awareness to a cause.

As a form of protest intended to draw attention to a very specific issue it's failed sort of spectacularly.

But one side is not trying to understand/listen to the other. That’s why it perpetuates.

I don’t know though. It’s definitely successful in the regard of getting attention. The intent has failed but that is also in part due of one wings media machines efforts to influence perception over the others.

It did bring awareness, then people realized that the odds of a random black person who is not committing any crimes at all getting shot by police unjustified is as likely getting struck by lightning while winning the lottery, as the same black man.

Which is to say, the same odds of getting struck by lightning while winning the lottery as anybody else.

It's fine and great to point out very specific instances of police brutality, but unless you have statistics that prove it, pointing out very general ideals of police brutality when it doesn't occur doesn't make a protest worthwhile. So, people look at what the person really is doing. Which is, disrespecting the flag and what it symbolizes.

That was always going to be the case though.

Like everything it's more nuanced than anyone wants to make it.

KK's initial point was quite valid. Somewhat ironically, however, in fashion similar to the police, in an act of "presenting a solid front" it's gone horribly awry. Teams with perfectly benign police forces protesting and their corresponding forces going "wait, wtf? We didn't shoot anyone recently!"

Saev has a very snarky way of saying because he doesn't believe in it as a positive thing, it but he's not necessarily wrong about socialism/globalism. It asks people to look at the whole before themselves. Which is why it's so difficult to tackle the "privilege" concept because when you're white, you've grown up poor, you can't afford higher education and your job is ***, you're constantly behind on bills, and your truck needs repairs...all this "white privilege" doesn't feel very real.

Because white privilege is a social problem, not an individual one. And when life is shitty you have a hard time getting past the individual.

best point of the whole damn discussion.

If you really want to split hairs they're either both unintentionally disrespectful, or neither is.

Not to be a "Hey hockey is better!" jackass any more than I already am but:

Subban Aims to Set Positive Tone in Community with Blueline Buddies

cops are happy to shoot anyone who *** around. they'll check your color after you haven't responded to commands for 3 minutes because you're bleeding to death.

Should really look into what Kapernick and other athletes have done with his money. Seems to be conveniently ignored.

So, are you saying that there are no poor white people? That every single white person in the world is super successful due to the color of their skin?

Are you also saying that there are no successful non-white people? Are you saying that every single non-white person in the world is unsuccessful due to the color of their skin?

Are you saying that there's no other factors that determines a person's success, like ability, education, merit, etc., that determines the person's success, but instead it all boils down to the color of their skin?

Are you really trying to pass off many factors and reasons of a person's success because it makes you feel good?

Because "white privilege" is Lordgrim-level trolling.

Or they are both intentionally disrespectful.

But then again, we are now hearing facts about this so-called "he knew what he was getting into" phone call, where it shows that Trump never said that. But you wouldn't hear about that on CNN, would you?

I watch some pretty liberal media sources, and they must be glossing over it too.

/shrug

rednecks don't like people *** around with our flag I guess?

Also, does that mean that you recognize my burning of a flag to be a sogn of disrespect?

Some say he is the backup quarterback of his generation !

This is really what it comes down to. Flags, crosses, etc.

Symbols mean things to a large portion of people and if you piss all over them -- or are even perceived as doing so -- they get super-mad.

Current stats 3 kneels 2 interceptions and bench riding skills the likes of which you have never seen.

You know, I'm surprised nobody here wants to talk about the Russian scandal. I mean, it's pretty obvious that the corrupt Obama administration did it, but usually certain people here would be defending Her Majesty like crazy....

If there is a social justice hall of fame I"m sure he will make it on the first ballot.

It's because the current leftists in the world have the singular goal of creating a world government, with them in charge. Every nation who has followed this path has ended up destroying their country and killing tens of millions of people. Stalin's death count is at the 50 million mark, Mao at the 30 million and Hitler at a mere 20 million (debates on what flavor of socialist this could be called). When we look at it by country it gets even nastier, China has a 73 million person body count, Soviet Union over 60 million, DPRK over three million and Cambodia two and a half million.

http://www.scottmanning.com/content/communist-body-count/

Socialism and it's eventual result Communism is a failed system that results in the deaths of millions are the state is simply incapable of managing economies of that size. The government will always, without exception, abuse any power it's granted. Doesn't matter if it's conservative or liberal, any powers granted to the government will be abused and the citizenry will be the targets of that abuse. Why on earth would anyone want to give more power, that will be abused, to the government then absolutely necessary. Socialism / Communist seeks absolutely control over the government, which is why Socialism always turns into Communism. They seek that control because it's the only way to enact the "ideal society" each wants to create. Absolute equality (the goal of current Progressives) can only be created with a single party that has absolute control over the lives of the people. Of course the people doing the governing are humans, and humans are selfish greedy *** who work primarily on self interest. Once those "leaders" get that absolute control, they ensure they will never lose it and then proceed to follow the same human self interest that defines our species and results in the deaths of tens of millions.


This is why I make fun of Progressives, they are either short sighted and easily manipulated, or extremely evil. The thing they want is impossible to achieve, and the act of attempting to achieve it will likely result in their own deaths along with millions of their fellow humans. Yet they are too dumb to look at history and see the ample evidence of their own stupidity. "We need to save 10,000 by killing 100,000 people" is kind of a bad idea.

I heard the 49ers are going to retire his number. Legendary status.