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By Shiva.Shruiken 2017-10-02 18:54:49
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Liberals: you cant possibly round up 40 million illegal immigrants
Also liberals: we can totally confiscate 300 million + guns
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The guy used automatic weapons.

Those are already banned.

Banning guns totally works!

I've never understood this argument. Your guns aren't being confiscated.

Stricter background checks. Profiling, licensing. We regulate the ability to drive a car more than we do the ability to own a gun.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2017-10-02 18:54:52
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fonewear said: »
Why the hell would someone that is going to kill people give a ***about getting a gun lawfully ?

Because they don't want to go to jail!



waitaminute...
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2017-10-02 18:55:20
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Banning assault rifles isn't going to do anything. It isn't that hard to get an illegal gun.
Which is why gun control laws don't work.

Law-abiding citizens wouldn't go out murdering people in the first place, and we all know how much criminals like to follow the law.

How many murders in Chicago this year happened by gun again? How's those laws working again?
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By fonewear 2017-10-02 18:57:37
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Shiva.Shruiken said: »
Nausi said: »
Liberals: you cant possibly round up 40 million illegal immigrants
Also liberals: we can totally confiscate 300 million + guns
Nausi said: »
The guy used automatic weapons.

Those are already banned.

Banning guns totally works!

I've never understood this argument. Your guns aren't being confiscated.

Stricter background checks. Profiling, licensing. We regulate the ability to drive a car more than we do the ability to own a gun.

Check the shooters background his records were clean. Not much you could do to sop this guy.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2017-10-02 18:58:10
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
That is your stated opinion....
No it isn't. Try again.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2017-10-02 18:59:55
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Shiva.Shruiken said: »
We regulate the ability to drive a car more than we do the ability to own a gun.
This is proof that you have never gone through a background check to buy a gun.

You know how long it takes to buy a gun? 72 hours, at least.

You know how long it takes to buy a car? Depending on how prepared you are, could be as little as 30 minutes, or as long as 2 hours if you need to get a loan.

Both actions take commitment to do, you have to desire owning either a gun or a car. Both require training to do and certification to purchase one. Some states even require you to show proficiency in owning a gun, even though all require you to show proficiency to driving a car.

Getting a gun is much harder to do than to get a car. Only difference is that you have to continuously register (and pay fees for) a car, while you just register the gun only once.
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By Shiva.Shruiken 2017-10-02 19:00:16
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fonewear said: »
Check the shooters background his records were clean. Not much you could do to sop this guy.

Not talking about this guy, just in general. Stricter gun control laws and background checks won't solve the problem but they wouldn't hurt (except the NRA's pockets.)
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2017-10-02 19:00:25
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Shiva.Shruiken said: »
Stricter background checks. Profiling, licensing. We regulate the ability to drive a car more than we do the ability to own a gun.

Every day that I'm on the road teaches me that we need to regulate the ability to drive a car a lot more than we need to regulate the people who get guns legally.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2017-10-02 19:00:55
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Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
That is your stated opinion....
No it isn't. Try again.
Yes, it is.

Is your reading/mental comprehension so bad that you can't even understand your own thoughts?
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By Shiva.Shruiken 2017-10-02 19:00:58
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I could walk into a Sports Authority (RIP) and buy a shotgun in as little as 5 minutes. No.
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By fonewear 2017-10-02 19:01:18
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Again you can make all the laws you want. Criminals aren't going to follow them anyways. It isn't going to work. Look at the war on drugs. Is that really going to stop anyone from being a junkie ?
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By Shiva.Shruiken 2017-10-02 19:02:38
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I agree I'm just saying it couldn't hurt to have more regulations in place.
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By fonewear 2017-10-02 19:04:29
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I agree no one really needs an assault rifle. But they aren't going away anytime soon.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2017-10-02 19:04:41
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Shiva.Shruiken said: »
I could walk into a Sports Authority (RIP) and buy a shotgun in as little as 5 minutes. No.
If you already bought a gun before, and already have your background information in the NICS, then sure, 5 minutes.

Tell me though, is there a registry for car ownership? Do I have to wait several days to get my first car? The longest I would have had to wait to get a car is to get auto insurance on the car in question, and thanks to apps, that doesn't take longer than the initial 30 minutes above.
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By fonewear 2017-10-02 19:05:00
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And if you look at the stats there are more guns than people. So the majority of people don't use guns to shoot up a concert.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2017-10-02 19:05:56
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fonewear said: »
So the majority of people don't use guns to shoot up a concert.
Majority of people don't shoot others period.
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By Shiva.Shruiken 2017-10-02 19:06:30
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Tell me though, is there a registry for car ownership? Do I have to wait several days to get my first car? The longest I would have had to wait to get a car is to get auto insurance on the car in question, and thanks to apps, that doesn't take longer than the initial 30 minutes above.

You're taking the car analogy a little too seriously.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2017-10-02 19:07:21
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Yes, it is.

Is your reading/mental comprehension so bad that you can't even understand your own thoughts?
Tiresome already.

Nowhere in my post did I say or even imply guns were the only catalyst for mass murder. My greater implication, if it really needs to be spelled out, was their general ease of use coupled with how many there are here contribute to the number of mass murders in a way that other weapons or weaponized instruments do not.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2017-10-02 19:08:43
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Shiva.Shruiken said: »
I could walk into a Sports Authority (RIP) and buy a shotgun in as little as 5 minutes. No.

As a first-time buyer? Prove it.
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By fonewear 2017-10-02 19:14:04
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People die all the time. Only when a gun is involved do people get outraged.
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By Zerowone 2017-10-02 19:15:26
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Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Yes, it is.

Is your reading/mental comprehension so bad that you can't even understand your own thoughts?
Tiresome already.

Nowhere in my post did I say or even imply guns were the only catalyst for mass murder. My greater implication, if it really needs to be spelled out, was their general ease of use coupled with how many there are here contribute to the number of mass murders in a way that other weapons or weaponized instruments do not.

Brb building a trebuchet a top a 60 story building in order to launch Buicks, couches and sporks into a crowd of 22k people to test this argument.
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By fonewear 2017-10-02 19:15:30
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If we were back in the stone ages and I killed you with a rock. Some liberal would say that's it we need stricter rock laws.
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By Shiva.Shruiken 2017-10-02 19:16:42
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Bahamut.Ravael said: »
Shiva.Shruiken said: »
I could walk into a Sports Authority (RIP) and buy a shotgun in as little as 5 minutes. No.

As a first-time buyer? Prove it.

Sorry maybe 20 minutes. I'd rather talk about gun shows.

I'm pro guns but they should be regulated harsher.
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By fonewear 2017-10-02 19:16:46
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Honestly this may be cruel but I"m more outraged by the phony outrage of the liberals than the people that died. There I'm being honest.
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By Zerowone 2017-10-02 19:17:25
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fonewear said: »
If we were back in the stone ages and I killed you with a rock. Some liberal would say that's it we need stricter rock laws.

Except you have puny flabby arms and a bad rotator cuff.
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By fonewear 2017-10-02 19:17:26
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At least the people that died are at peace. And now I have to live with whiny liberals...
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By Zerowone 2017-10-02 19:18:38
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fonewear said: »
Honestly this may be cruel but I"m more outraged by the phony outrage of the liberals than the people that died. There I'm being honest.

I'm enraged by your redundant use of honest and outrage!
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By fonewear 2017-10-02 19:23:38
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I blame the 24/7 media cycle for me not caring.
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By fonewear 2017-10-02 19:25:52
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Yes, it is.

Is your reading/mental comprehension so bad that you can't even understand your own thoughts?
Tiresome already.

Nowhere in my post did I say or even imply guns were the only catalyst for mass murder. My greater implication, if it really needs to be spelled out, was their general ease of use coupled with how many there are here contribute to the number of mass murders in a way that other weapons or weaponized instruments do not.

Brb building a trebuchet a top a 60 story building in order to launch Buicks, couches and sporks into a crowd of 22k people to test this argument.

I'd like to see this. Not to prove a point just I'd like to see it.
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By Shiva.Shruiken 2017-10-02 19:26:47
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And King, for the car analogy, I was talking about getting licensed, not buying a car.

Written test. Permit. Road test. DMV. It's an arduous process.
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