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 Cerberus.Pleebo
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2017-08-18 14:19:30
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Bahamut.Ravael said: »
No, 86/61/44% of those people are wrong. Calm your ***, you're not being personally attacked.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2017-08-18 14:26:03
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No, 86/61/44% of those people are wrong. Calm your ***, you're not being personally attacked.

Crap, sorry. I forgot that whoever disagrees with you is automatically wrong, even when your opinion is the minority in every region of the country and among nearly every demographic, including African Americans.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2017-08-18 15:28:36
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Lol ok...

Anyway, the nature of the question (whether they should remain as a historical symbol) is tricky. I wouldn't argue against the monuments remaining associated with battlegrounds or actual historical markers but the placement of them near government buildings and like public places is dumb. The poll could be more specific.
 
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2017-08-18 18:32:38
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Lol ok...

Anyway, the nature of the question (whether they should remain as a historical symbol) is tricky. I wouldn't argue against the monuments remaining associated with battlegrounds or actual historical markers but the placement of them near government buildings and like public places is dumb. The poll could be more specific.

What would you call the fallacy where you admit that the poll question wasn't specific enough, but you automatically assume that the majority of the respondents were wrong anyway because they didn't answer the way you would?
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By Ruaumoko 2017-08-18 18:51:56
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I feel this is as close a comparison I can get. My town has a statue of a Victoria Cross (British version of the Medal of Honor) recipient Redvers Buller. Buller saw action in many theaters of war around and beyond the British Empire and his actions are controversial as well as his legacy. Still... his statue has stood for a very long time although it has been vandalized on-and-off by university students. However, it has always been restored by the council no matter how many times it has been vandalized. I live in a very left-wing part of the country as well.



History should be out in the open. If you see someone lionizing a part of history you disagree with don't tear it down and destroy the focal point for the argument, engage with the person and try explain your point of view.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2017-08-18 19:00:39
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Bahamut.Ravael said: »
What would you call the fallacy where you admit that the poll question wasn't specific enough, but you automatically assume that the majority of the respondents were wrong anyway because they didn't answer the way you would?
I spend longer than I should have looking for a point here.
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By Odin.Slore 2017-08-18 19:32:53
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I would like to know after 100's of years, now all of a sudden these historic monuments are now a problem?

Is it this the generation of "offended by everything"?

I am starting to think that a civil war is coming, it does not look good for the left.
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2017-08-18 19:41:37
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Just a hundred years. Most were commissioned by the Daughters of the Confederacy (UDC) in the early 20th Century.
 
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By Zerowone 2017-08-18 20:06:04
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Lakshmi.Zerowone said: »
Just a hundred years. Most were commissioned by the Daughters of the Confederacy (UDC) in the early 20th Century.
And most of those commissions were done against the express wishes of Confederate General Robert E. Lee, who, on his deathbed, stated he wanted no statues of himself erected.


Robert E Lee's wish was to due to a belief that the monuments would do nothing more than keep the wound open and prolong the healing process.

The notion might be one of the reasons why there aren't many statues of "heroes of the Union" erected throughout the South.

The statues began popping up right around the time Confederate soldiers, officers and politicians started dying off due to age.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2017-08-18 20:06:27
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Most of these monuments coincided with the enactment of the Jim Crow era and in response to the modern civil rights movement.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2017-08-18 20:25:32
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The simple fact that they were erected in front of courthouses says volumes.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2017-08-19 13:37:44
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Conspiracy theorist Alex Jones screams on Seattle streets
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Alex Jones, the screaming face of conspiracy site Infowars, brought his ranting to the streets of Seattle Thursday and Friday, yelling at passersby about jihadis and a "Democrat hoax" crashing the stock market.

In case you're wondering, the stock market didn't crash.

Why Jones was in Seattle remains a bit of a mystery, though a now-vanished tweet suggested that he was vacationing with his family in the city that has been dubbed by many as the center of "the resistance."

In two videos, Jones dissects copies of USA Today, making wild accusations, apparently unable to find a copy of a local paper.

He also yells about "brainwashed bots" in Seattle are and how "they hate the West."

In a video posted Friday morning, Jones sprints down the sidewalk chasing a man who wouldn't talk to him, exchanging expletives with the man who repeatedly gives him the finger.

Jones calls him an "intellectual dumba** who watches mainstream media" before walking back toward the corner of Third Avenue and Stewart Street.

Later in the video, a man walks by behind him, saying "You're trash."

Jones turns around and approaches the man, who then throws coffee on Jones before raising the cup as if he's going to strike with it.

Some on Twitter questioned whether it was real with several saying it was an Infowars intern who threw the coffee on Jones.

In one tweet, Jones said it was "boiling coffee," but didn't appear burned or even irritated by the liquid after it covered part of his face, neck and chest.

Jones also had plenty of defenders on Twitter, including @SeigHeil1, who asked people to pray for Jones as he was "surrounded by pharmaceutically deranged communists in Seattle."

Jones seemed to be on some sort of fact-finding mission to learn more about Seattleites, though he also had opinions clearly formed before his arrival.

"These people are bots, they're in a cult," Jones says before approaching someone else. "Can you speak? We're trying to see if any of these folks can speak out here."

The man (later found to be one-time city council candidate Michael Maddux) responds in brief: "I don't talk to racist ****s."
 
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By Phoenix.Amandarius 2017-08-19 18:40:30
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Only it wasn't a Nazi/Klan meet-up.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2017-08-19 19:52:52
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Phoenix.Amandarius said: »
Only it wasn't a Nazi/Klan meet-up.

Free speech = KKK in CJ's head.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2017-08-20 09:25:35
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Only it wasn't a Nazi/Klan meet-up.
Oh, right, they call those "free speech" rallies today.

Pro tip: you have free speech but no one has to listen.
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By Phoenix.Amandarius 2017-08-20 11:56:47
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Frame everything as Nazi/Klan/Hate in order to justify left-wing political violence. Got it.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2017-08-20 16:48:13
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Given the choice between political violence and physical violence I will take the political type every time.
 
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2017-08-20 18:53:29
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Candlejack said: »
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Only it wasn't a Nazi/Klan meet-up.
Oh, right, they call those "free speech" rallies today.

Pro tip: you have free speech but no one has to listen.
Unfortunately, Amandarius' argument holds little weight when the listing of speakers at these "free speech rallies" is public knowledge and over half of them belong to the KKK and the Nazis.

Unfortunately, Candlejack's argument holds little weight when he has been calling everyone that disagrees with him a Nazi or KKK member for years.
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By Asura.Saevel 2017-08-21 07:08:18
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Bahamut.Ravael said: »
Candlejack said: »
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Phoenix.Amandarius said: »
Only it wasn't a Nazi/Klan meet-up.
Oh, right, they call those "free speech" rallies today.

Pro tip: you have free speech but no one has to listen.
Unfortunately, Amandarius' argument holds little weight when the listing of speakers at these "free speech rallies" is public knowledge and over half of them belong to the KKK and the Nazis.

Unfortunately, Candlejack's argument holds little weight when he has been calling everyone that disagrees with him a Nazi or KKK member for years.

Speech is only free if it agrees with them.
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