Random Politics & Religion #27

Given the direction this heading; this feels appropriate:

I cannot tell you any one thing you seek is wrong per se

I can!

His entire post is as shallow as puddle on a sidewalk. He's not only completely delusional about what he is bringing to the table but he has absolutely no idea what being in a relationship actually means.

I glad he lives in unicornland where he and his wife will never get old or put on a little weight. >.>

Best of luck to his wife after she has a second or third kid and he dumps her for someone more perky.

I can!

Lol.

"Preservation of the family unit" is the same barefoot-and-pregnant ideology of old wrapped in new packaging. Self destructive behavior differs from the idea of female liberation. If you find someone who shares your family-centered ideology, then cool. Go nuts. But it isn't anyone else's responsibility to adhere to it. I'm sure it's such a massive burden for you studly types to continuously deal with these wily females (lol), but I think you'll be ok.

I don't think it's wrong.

Ignoring the internet-driven drivel of "beta cucks and white knights," which is exactly that; internet jargon meant to insult and not actually discuss issues.

I was both unplanned, my parents divorced when I was 3, and I have an awesome stepdad. I'm super supportive of guys who are willing to shoulder the burden that shitty dads run away from or half-***. My own father is...not the worst. Certainly not worth bitching about. Tried his best, his best was just pretty weak.

So all the same, this is me as a product of the exact situation we're talking about saying that despite it working out ok for me, not everyone is as lucky and the situation is a major problem. It would be a lot better if women and men alike would learn how to prevent pregnancies.

I'd rather some of my tax money go into family planning and birth control/sex education to avoid a lot of these unplanned pregnancies, rather than significantly larger amounts of that money needing to go to welfare and other programs to support children who were born into shitty situations.

In the meantime you have an entire generation of 30-somethings who are incompatible because the guys aren't looking to be dads/half-dads to other people's kids and take on all the baggage that entails, and another generation of children of which many don't have the support/role models they need.

Someone, somewhere (many someones, really) is going to have to take one for the proverbial team, in the grand scheme of the human race. And everyone is just playing a big game of "whole stole the cookie from the cookie jar?" on that front.

we kind of glossed right over this little gem of a nugget right here...

I lol'd pretty hard at demanding your wife show "strong character and unquestionable loyalty" when you have NONE after admitting to sleeping with married women...

oh karma, please don't make us wait for the best part too long...

I'm just curious. Have you ever considered the role your mother had in choosing you're father?

Does she bear any blame for your upbringing plight, or do you put the blame 100% solely at the feet of your father?

On a related note, how can you be sure you see his side of the story from an impartial perspective

Why do you think (if you do) your mother was the saint? Have you considered that you may think this way (again if so) BECAUSE you grew up exposed to how she felt towards your father?

It's fundamentally flawed at the most basic level.

I can!

His entire post is as shallow as puddle on a sidewalk. He's not only completely delusional about what he is bringing to the table but he has absolutely no idea what being in a relationship actually means.

I glad he lives in unicornland where he and his wife will never get old or put on a little weight. >.>

Best of luck to his wife after she has a second or third kid and he dumps her for someone more perky.

Looks change over time, weight changes over time and uh oh look out for this shocker spoiler alert EVERYONE GETS OLD. Heaven forbid Nausi finds someone as equally shallow as he is and they marry...then he loses his job or gets hurt at work or puts on a couple of pounds or gets a few gray hairs... then boom! it's hit the bricks jackass time

I wouldn't dump her for someone more perky, I view the commitment very seriously, but I certainly wouldn't be as attractive to her. I'm not going to apologize for that. It's ridiculous on it's face to expect someone to be physically attracted to anyone else no matter what happens. Any woman worth anything understands this aspect of biology.

How about looking for someone you have something in common with... for starters, maybe that you can relate to on an intellectual level, share common goals and dreams and ideas on where and when and how big you want to build a family together. where you see yourself in the future...

I do find the concept that some people (men and women alike) expect their spouse to never find anyone else attractive ever again. Women get catty about it. Dudes get downright territorial. It's unflattering no matter who does it. Jealousy is ugly.

I'm not saying act on those urges or feelings, however. Acknowledging other people are attractive is just admitting facts. But learning to control yourself is part of being an adult. Fighting biological urges. Impulse control is a defining characteristic that separates us from ye olde beasts.

Well, I mean, that and opposable thumbs but Raccoons will catch up eventually and then we'll be in some ***anyhow.

Breaking news, gay man shits all over the concept of a traditional family.

Yes.


Plight? I had a solid 1.75 dads. I had it pretty good. My stepmom wasn't too bad either. A little flighty, a very "took an acid trip in the 70s and never came all the way back type woman" (my wife's description), but a very nice woman.

There was no plight for me. For my parents you could argue, sure. But not me. I had two Christmases, two birthdays, two Halloweens worth of candy. It was great.


Because I am a functional adult and one of my very cultivated skills is putting myself in other people's shoes. Which is why you see me accepting your choices here, even though I don't really agree with them and my gut instinct is to go with Nik.

You'll note I've been pretty inactive in P&R for several months and you still don't see me chiming in about actual politics right now beyond observations. I've spent several months really just thinking about a lot of things and examining people's POVs.

Anyhow, my father has qualities. Adult responsibilities are not among them. I can go deeper into it if you really want to, but I really don't think that's necessary. Suffice to say he's not a bad person, just not great at...well, life. If we're being honest.


I in no way consider my mother a saint. I am not even any more sympathetic to my mother than my father. My mother is extremely honest, in fact, about everything. To this day she scolds me for not being in more contact with my father. My mother's unkind comments about my father were few and far between.

If marriage has for you become the denial of all things male, then your wife has you on the end of a pretty short leash.

What blame do you place at the feet of your mother for having a child with such an irresponsible man?

But at least when you're pushing 50 you'll be able to tell your 10 ferrets that you were never cucked.

However, that needs to come with the acceptance that you will be increasingly limited in your appeal.

Awww hell naw...

First of all, I did not ***on the idea of a "traditional family". I simply stated that so rigid a concept is not going to be for everyone nor is it imperative on anyone to adhere to it. Second, tradition doesn't mean ***because they WILL inevitably change. The thinking that they way you were raised or the way you want to live your life is the single correct option is so hideously pompous when so many others exist that are just as viable. Your way is not THE way. My way is not THE way. They're simply different and shouldn't be imposed onto anyone unwilling.

Lastly, the apparent fact that women aren't lining up to incubate your seedlings is entirely on you and you alone. You enjoy the projection of victimization in almost every other conversation when the topic doesn't affect you directly but really love to wallow in it when it does. Nik is right. Your wishlist is shallow as ***. You seem to think the fact that your self rating is somewhat above average is a big selling point when the ***that comes out of your mouth helps contribute to a overall score that's in the negative range. It's not on any women to cater to your views and it's not on you to change to cater to any woman. However, that needs to come with the acceptance that you will be increasingly limited in your appeal. But at least when you're pushing 50 you'll be able to tell your 10 ferrets that you were never cucked.

How much blame?

Who is blaming anyone for anything?

I'm alive.

How do I place blame on people for making me BE?

I wouldn't condone their actions in anyone but I can't precisely condemn them and bemoan my own existence without expanding my collection of black clothing, mascara, and The Cult records.