Random Politics & Religion #27

Well it's Pleebo, he won't admit or even recognize the truth even if it slaps him in the face.

Like take his Prosecutorial discretion, line, that would only apply if it was being used on a case by case basis and there wasn't a bill before congress about the issue that got shot down. A codified policy with it's own bureaucratic system, including a registration system, that deliberately ignores laws on the book is an entirely different situation.

Again it would be the same as President Trump signing a memo ordering the FBI, IRS and SEC not to prosecute financial crimes. That's the "Deferred Action" part, it's deferring the prosecution and subsequent deportation to some future date, like six months from now.

I'm going to my local Home Depot with an ICE shirt on wish me luck !

Trump took the RINOs to the woodshed by negotiating with democrats instead.

Win for Chuck
Win for Trump
Loose for Ryan and McConnel

Most of the people posting here wouldn't admit the truth if it slapped them in the face. >_>

I can only hope he's been too scammed to realize that the importation of low skilled illegal labor actually cripples the wages of lower skilled American workers. It is impossible to achieve a "livable" wage for low skilled workers when you're flooding the market with illegal labor.

It's probably wishful thinking, Pleebo is probably blinded by his own hatred, fueled by "trump's a racist" to even realize keeping DACA means keeping on the pressure to lower wages for the working man.

Actually republicans can walk away from their destructive tea party wing.

I don't think they will though. They aren't that smart*, they fear being primaried from the right, and face it, they can neither lead nor follow.

*Not saying the democrats are any smarter.

Democrats dread Hillary's book tour
Reliving the 2016 nightmare is the last thing the party needs right now, many say.
Politico

It does go on. Then again so does she.

Play it again Dan.

Chanti the whole deal with the democrats was a way for trump to side step the GOP forcing a funding increase that got them through the midterms without doing any of trumps agenda.

GOP wanted to flush away any notion that they would be accountable to their voters. Trump didn't permit them to do that BY offering the Dems the opportunity to pile onto the GOP do-nothing congress meme.

In the end the only ones who loose are the establishment GOP and the Left's base who now see their beloved elected leaders making deals with literally Hitler.

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Show, don't tell.

Here.


In case you can't be bothered to click the link.

Figured. An op-ed article and bunch of out of context quotes.

Deferring actions is not ignoring the law. That is literally not what that word means. The entire point of DACA was to create a temporary way to keep decent people here until a proper law by Congress was passed. All Trump has done is defer the deffered (i.e., he did nothing but throw some red meat out to his base).

A funny opinion piece at that, nice attempt to rewrite history. DACA happened because Congress failed on immigration, specifically, John Boehner refused to vote on a bipartisan reform that had already cleared the Senate and had the votes to pass in the House. Thus, DACA continues to exist until Congress does something. As Trump tweeted today, nothing has changed. Obama's EO has not been reversed, and the 6 month "deadline" can and most likely will be extended.

I knew a girl who had the "Truth" tattooed on her mons pubis. The truth packed quite a punch and almost split the gum line when excited.

DACA is to "deferred" as ACA is to "affordable".

Only in the mind of a liberal does not passing amnesty mean congress failed on the issue.

Congress succeeded in stopping amnesty. Period.

What is the reasoning that inclines you to believe that Congress is supposed to give amnesty to illegals? You speak as though that's their job. I'm genuinely curious as to why.

Lol, like I said, get used to hearing the crying out of the word "amnesty" if and when Congress does get around to acting on immigration. No Dreamers will be leaving. Millions will be allowed to stay. Millions will be placed on the path to citizenship. Trump just accelerated that process.

It's fun to watch the mental gymnastics of a religious zealot.

Pleebo is the kind of person who would insist he was "saving" people by burning them alive.

Yep.

Well, Saevel's reduced back down to name calling. I could perhaps take him more seriously if he would actually reply to my posts directly rather than hiding behind his block filter.
If I had meant amnesty, I would have said amnesty. Again, I don't think there is serious opposition to people like DACA recipients staying so actual congressional legislation that gives them a proper path to citizenship is a start.

Vic. I truly pity you.

If the GOP puts the DACA "kids" on the path to citizenship, they will be voted out in the midterms by other primary opponents. The Trump, tea party, or otherwise Anti left movement that has grown under the last 8+ years is not going away. No one in DC on the GOP team really believes that more illegals will lead to them keeping or gaining power. The only reason to keep these people here is because their corporate donors want the easy profits illegal labor offers. This is pretty much OBVIOUS to everyone that doesn't vote with the left.

Deportations are up, and illegal immigration is down. There is no question anymore that even the most modest intention of doing anything about illegal immigration works. The myth that nothing can be done about it and therefore we might as well just learn to live with it, is, dead.

Only fools still believe in it, and they do so in an attempt to cover over the greater point they know is true. That they have lost. That's why there is violence in the streets, and why there is blatant gas-lighting being spewed from corporate media empires. These are the last grasps for the power that is already out of reach.

lol save your pity, nobody cares about it. Thats a nice opinion and all, but immigration reform, if it happens, will be including a path to citizenship for the millions that are here and the Dreamers will be staying. Otherwise, DACA will just continue as is. As Trump stated today, there will be no action against them.

Also, deportations are down under Trump. Pretty much destroys that little diatribe you went on nausi.

Keeps with the doing the opposite of Obama narrative...

"Deportation is down because illegal immigrantion is down Vic. Durrr it's that simple. Everyone knows the GEoTUS strikes fear in their hearts. Come on Vic get with reality"

Obama changed the rules on what "deportation" means, which is how he was able to appear to do anything. He accounted for "turning someone away at the boarder" to count as a deportation. (which it isn't). If Trump comes in and simply reduces the numbers coming over the border (which he has) then of course that will look like less overall deportations because they are catching less at the border.

Arrests and action is up under Trump, keep lying to yourself vic.

I'll make a deal with you vic. All the dreamers that are skilled in wall building can stay.

But look at the gains.

Trump gets a win. The Dems look bipartisan. The Dems get a stronger hand come Dec. And, if the Democratic agenda can be furthered by a Dem / Trump alignment, the base will forgive.

Trump has no loyalty whatsoever. He will make a deal with anyone who will make him look good. The GOP on the hill has made him look bad.

A lot of that stuff happened during Obama's time, words were changed on paper to make things look differently then they were. "Illegal Aliens" because "Undocumented Immigrants" and other silliness. If you used the old word for something you get yelled at and attacked by rabid SJWs.

Arrests are up, deportations are down. Pretty simple. Keep spinning nausi. Keep trying. Change the narrative as much as you want, the facts remain: All of the Dreamers are staying, as Trump stated today. Also, there will never be a wall.