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By Bahamut.Ravael 2017-05-17 20:35:44
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lol, I didn't confirm anything, you guys are going to run that "no evidence" line into the ground. The DOJ just took a major step in ensuring the investigation isn't compromised any more than it already has been by Trump, but it won't stop you from crying "no evidence."
The investigation hasn't been tainted by trump, Comey testified to that effect under oath 2 weeks ago.

Was he lying?

2 weeks ago? He was the FBI director at the time. Then Trump fired him. Think that changed his testimony? We will find out soon.

If it's anything like the other bajillion testimonies on the matter, people will "ooooo" and "ahhhh" for a day and then promptly forget about what was said because nobody is even close to producing a smoking gun.

If he wants to make an impact, he can produce that phantom memo that will only serve to indict himself for failing to report obstruction immediately. And even then? It still wouldn't be proof because he would need actual audio to corroborate his writings. Otherwise it's a weak case of he-said-she-said.
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By Nausi 2017-05-17 20:47:12
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lol, I didn't confirm anything, you guys are going to run that "no evidence" line into the ground. The DOJ just took a major step in ensuring the investigation isn't compromised any more than it already has been by Trump, but it won't stop you from crying "no evidence."
The investigation hasn't been tainted by trump, Comey testified to that effect under oath 2 weeks ago.

Was he lying?

2 weeks ago? He was the FBI director at the time. Then Trump fired him. Think that changed his testimony? We will find out soon.

So he lied under oath?

Perfect then he'll have no credibility now.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2017-05-17 20:58:14
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There's a distinct difference between saying saying it hasn't been tainted and saying attempts were made to taint it.
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By Viciouss 2017-05-17 20:59:44
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So he lied under oath?

Perfect then he'll have no credibility now.

No he didn't. Any other stupid questions?
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2017-05-17 21:11:50
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So he lied under oath?

Perfect then he'll have no credibility now.

No he didn't. Any other stupid questions?

You implied that being fired would change his testimony that he made under oath. What else would you call that?
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By Viciouss 2017-05-17 21:26:16
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Bahamut.Ravael said: »
Viciouss said: »
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So he lied under oath?

Perfect then he'll have no credibility now.

No he didn't. Any other stupid questions?

You implied that being fired would change his testimony that he made under oath. What else would you call that?

*Last month*
>Has Trump interfered in the investigation up to this point?
>No, not at this time.
*Trump fires him*
*2 weeks later*
>Has Trump interfered in the investigation up to this point?
>Yea, he fired me, the guy in charge of the investigation. I would call that interfering.

Two different hearings, at two different times. Of course the answer is gonna be different. And of course its allowed to be different. Thats the whole point of status updates. Done yet?
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2017-05-17 21:27:48
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Now that I know you only have nonsensical responses, I'd say that covers it.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2017-05-17 21:29:50
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Robert Mueller has just been appointed as a special prosecutor to look into the Russian meddling in last year's election...
Here we go, folks. Next up: Impeachment, charges of treason, and Traitor 45 swinging from a noose by his orange neck.
See, this is why we can't have nice things around here.

Even though I had a lot of problems with Obama, I, nor other conservatives (even Nausi!) neither:

A) called for his impeachment
B) called for his charges for treason
C) called for his death

Calling for the death of a US President is generally a very illegal activity, and yet, it's happened more times with Trump than any other president in modern history.
Oh I called for his impeachment, on many occasions. He deserved to be removed for his actions.
While Obama is incredibly stupid in how he lead the nation, he didn't do anything close to impeachment, even Jackson's crime of not taking the job seriously wouldn't hold on him.

Obama got what he deserved now that the democrats/liberals are at their weakest point, and by the looks of their derangement, it's going to continue throughout Trump's term.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2017-05-17 21:31:19
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Viciouss said: »
Nausi said: »
Viciouss said: »
lol, I didn't confirm anything, you guys are going to run that "no evidence" line into the ground. The DOJ just took a major step in ensuring the investigation isn't compromised any more than it already has been by Trump, but it won't stop you from crying "no evidence."
The investigation hasn't been tainted by trump, Comey testified to that effect under oath 2 weeks ago.

Was he lying?

2 weeks ago? He was the FBI director at the time. Then Trump fired him. Think that changed his testimony? We will find out soon.
If he changes his testimony, then he lied under oath and committed perjury.

If he sticks to his story, Trump didn't break the law.

Trump's not hurt by any of this.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2017-05-17 21:33:06
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Viciouss said: »
Bahamut.Ravael said: »
Viciouss said: »
Nausi said: »

So he lied under oath?

Perfect then he'll have no credibility now.

No he didn't. Any other stupid questions?

You implied that being fired would change his testimony that he made under oath. What else would you call that?

*Last month*
>Has Trump interfered in the investigation up to this point?
>No, not at this time.
*Trump fires him*
*2 weeks later*
>Has Trump interfered in the investigation up to this point?
>Yea, he fired me, the guy in charge of the investigation. I would call that interfering.

Two different hearings, at two different times. Of course the answer is gonna be different. And of course its allowed to be different. Thats the whole point of status updates. Done yet?
...you do know the so-called memo in question was written on February 14th. Therefor, your assertion is invalid, like many of your arguments.

Just admit it, you got nothing.
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By Nausi 2017-05-17 21:39:03
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Viciouss said: »
Nausi said: »

So he lied under oath?

Perfect then he'll have no credibility now.

No he didn't. Any other stupid questions?
So how can he write a memo that implicates obstruction of justice and then a few months later testify before congress under oath that none of that happened?
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By Nausi 2017-05-17 21:41:22
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
he didn't do anything close to impeachment
There is no actual criteria for impeachment, if the required number of reps want it to happen they can make it happen for nose picking on camera.

Obama was an embarrassment to this country and should have been stopped through impeachment.
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By Nausi 2017-05-17 21:47:24
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The politicization of all these government agencies is a clear and present danger to our republic. Trump is under attack by rouge agents in the IC who are trying to subvert this administration. They are probably on the DNC payroll.

Trump needs to send in the military and flush out these leakers in the IC.
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2017-05-17 21:56:33
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Nausi said: »
The politicization of all these government agencies is a clear and present danger to our republic. Trump is under attack by rouge agents in the IC who are trying to subvert this administration. They are probably on the DNC payroll.

Trump needs to send in the military and flush out these leakers in the IC.

Or pay some Russian hackers...
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By Viciouss 2017-05-17 21:57:21
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So, can we actually verify that nausi's account of Comey's testimony is accurate? Because it is nausi after all, he tends to make things up on a daily basis.

Here is the transcript of his testimony on May 3rd

I only saw one part in which Comey was asked about the level of Trump's involvement in the investigation, the very end.
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BLUMENTHAL: With respect to the investigation I'm going into the Trump Associates ties to the Russian meddling. Has the White House cooperated?

COMEY: With the investigation?

BLUMENTHAL: Correct.

COMEY: That's not something I'm going to comment on.

BLUMENTHAL: have you had any requests for immunity from anyone, potentially a target of that investigation?

COMEY: I have to give you the same answer Senator.

BLUMENTHAL: Would you tell this committee if there is a lack of cooperation on the part of the White House?

COMEY: I won't commit to that.

He didn't answer the questions. So, unless someone else can sift through it and find where Comey allegedly said what nausi is claiming, he didn't lie about anything.
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By Viciouss 2017-05-17 21:57:52
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The politicization of all these government agencies is a clear and present danger to our republic. Trump is under attack by rouge agents in the IC who are trying to subvert this administration. They are probably on the DNC payroll.

Trump needs to send in the military and flush out these leakers in the IC.

Send in the military? How would that work, pray tell?
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2017-05-17 22:11:07
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Asking about being investigated is considered improper.

Saying Flynn is a good guy I hope you can let the investigation go is also considered improper.

Asking for loyalty to President and not the Country/Constitution also improper

These actions aren't considered as interference, just suspicious and improper.

It would have been interfering if Trump offered up a quid pro quo in exchange for Comey's loyalty and dropping of the Flynn investigation.

Comey not dropping the investigation and subsequently being fired for it. That's interference and obstruction. That's only because Trump is on the record saying that was his reason and thoughts on firing Comey.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2017-05-17 22:16:31
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Lakshmi.Zerowone said: »
Comey not dropping the investigation and subsequently being fired for it. That's interference and obstruction. That's only because Trump is on the record saying that was his reason and thoughts on firing Comey.

Yeah, you're gonna have to cite that one.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2017-05-18 00:10:32
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Lakshmi.Zerowone said: »
Nausi said: »
The politicization of all these government agencies is a clear and present danger to our republic. Trump is under attack by rouge agents in the IC who are trying to subvert this administration. They are probably on the DNC payroll.

Trump needs to send in the military and flush out these leakers in the IC.
Or pay some Russian hackers...
But the Russian pee hookers are much more salacious.
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2017-05-18 06:55:57
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http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN18E106

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Michael Flynn and other advisers to Donald Trump’s campaign were in contact with Russian officials and others with Kremlin ties in at least 18 calls and emails during the last seven months of the 2016 presidential race, current and former U.S. officials familiar with the exchanges told Reuters.

The previously undisclosed interactions form part of the record now being reviewed by FBI and congressional investigators probing Russian interference in the U.S. presidential election and contacts between Trump’s campaign and Russia.

Six of the previously undisclosed contacts described to Reuters were phone calls between Sergei Kislyak, Russia's ambassador to the United States, and Trump advisers, including Flynn, Trump’s first national security adviser, three current and former officials said.

Conversations between Flynn and Kislyak accelerated after the Nov. 8 vote as the two discussed establishing a back channel for communication between Trump and Russian President Vladimir Putin that could bypass the U.S. national security bureaucracy, which both sides considered hostile to improved relations, four current U.S. officials said.

In January, the Trump White House initially denied any contacts with Russian officials during the 2016 campaign. The White House and advisers to the campaign have since confirmed four meetings between Kislyak and Trump advisers during that time.

The people who described the contacts to Reuters said they had seen no evidence of wrongdoing or collusion between the campaign and Russia in the communications reviewed so far. But the disclosure could increase the pressure on Trump and his aides to provide the FBI and Congress with a full account of interactions with Russian officials and others with links to the Kremlin during and immediately after the 2016 election.

The White House did not respond to requests for comment. Flynn's lawyer declined to comment. In Moscow, a Russian foreign ministry official declined to comment on the contacts and referred Reuters to the Trump administration.

Separately, a spokesman for the Russian embassy in Washington said: “We do not comment on our daily contacts with the local interlocutors.”

The 18 calls and electronic messages took place between April and November 2016 as hackers engaged in what U.S. intelligence concluded in January was part of a Kremlin campaign to discredit the vote and influence the outcome of the election in favor of Trump over his Democratic challenger, former secretary of state Hillary Clinton.

Those discussions focused on mending U.S.-Russian economic relations strained by sanctions imposed on Moscow, cooperating in fighting Islamic State in Syria and containing a more assertive China, the sources said.

Members of the Senate and House intelligence committees have gone to the CIA and the National Security Agency to review transcripts and other documents related to contacts between Trump campaign advisers and associates and Russian officials and others with links to Putin, people with knowledge of those investigations told Reuters.

The U.S. Justice Department said on Wednesday it had appointed former FBI Director Robert Mueller as special counsel to investigate alleged Russian meddling in the U.S. presidential campaign and possible collusion between Trump’s campaign and Russia. Mueller will now take charge of the FBI investigation that began last July. Trump and his aides have repeatedly denied any collusion with Russia.

'IT'S RARE'

In addition to the six phone calls involving Kislyak, the communications described to Reuters involved another 12 calls, emails or text messages between Russian officials or people considered to be close to Putin and Trump campaign advisers.

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By fonewear 2017-05-18 07:06:28
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Lakshmi.Zerowone said: »
Asking about being investigated is considered improper.

Saying Flynn is a good guy I hope you can let the investigation go is also considered improper.

Asking for loyalty to President and not the Country/Constitution also improper

These actions aren't considered as interference, just suspicious and improper.

It would have been interfering if Trump offered up a quid pro quo in exchange for Comey's loyalty and dropping of the Flynn investigation.

Comey not dropping the investigation and subsequently being fired for it. That's interference and obstruction. That's only because Trump is on the record saying that was his reason and thoughts on firing Comey.
It's also highly suspicious considering the timing of Comey being fired. If Dummy Dump was going to fire him anyway, why wait almost four months? If Dump didn't want to come across as suspicious or obstructing ongoing investigations, he should've cleaned house in the intel community as soon as his foot was in the door as Obama and Bush II had both done.

Dump divided by Bush II equals ?
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By fonewear 2017-05-18 07:07:03
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I swear some times reading the ***on here is worse than doing algebra. They are words but they don't make sense.
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By fonewear 2017-05-18 07:07:56
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I don't think Trump could get in office look around say "Hmm let's fire everyone" government can't run without people....yet.
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By fonewear 2017-05-18 07:24:19
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If I know anything about government is that this investigation is going to take forever. And the Democrats are going to *** and moan that what is taking so long.
 
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By fonewear 2017-05-18 08:01:20
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Roger Ailes of Faux Noise fame has just kicked the bucket at age 77. May he roast in Hell for eternity.

Cool story you always celebrate deaths of people you don't know ?
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By Sylph.Cherche 2017-05-18 08:51:21
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Trump said:
No politician in history...has been treated more unfairly

Sure.

Oh, wait!

Kennedy: shot
Lincoln: shot
Garfield: shot
McKinley: shot
R Kennedy: shot
TR: shot (lived)
Reagan: shot (lived)
Gabby Giffords: shot (lived)
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2017-05-18 09:08:21
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fonewear said: »
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Roger Ailes of Faux Noise fame has just kicked the bucket at age 77. May he roast in Hell for eternity.

Cool story you always celebrate deaths of people you don't know ?

Would that make CJ a scuzzball? By his own metric, I guess he's cool with someone murdering him.
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