Random Politics & Religion #19

Or is it without the article?

Sure I can, Western Europe, Japan, Australia. You think that those countries care about the spygame (of all things) over millions of dollars (billions if you are England) wasted in Iraq over made up intel? No, Snowden doesn't "balance out" the war in Iraq. Not even close. Thats the first time I have ever seen that argument though. I hope its the last because it is really silly.

And so was Bush's image when Obama was president. Does that make Bush a better president in your viewpoint?[/quote]

Except it wasn't. Bush's image never improved and still hasn't improved, not even in this country. You never see him.

Good luck with that they have mid term elections in 2018...

So, what exactly is the plan of the Democrats here? Harping on this news conference won't help them... at all. Continuing the standard media anti-Trump blitz won't help if the entire election season is any indication.

Dems can gain hope from the fact that Trump is polling badly against a generic Democrat for 2020, but one of their biggest stars (Warren) is getting destroyed in the same polls. That suggests that people like the idea of the Democrat Party, but don't like the leaders that are actually in it. So instead of doing a talent search to find a new standard bearer, they're holding onto Pelosi and playing their nursing home bench as the frontrunners?

I don't get it. I guess spending the entire time railing on Trump feels good when you have absolutely nothing to offer the growing number of Americans who don't want your people in local and federal offices, but it did no favors for John Kerry when Bush was attacked for four years and everyone just assumed nobody liked him because the media said so.

So what is the worst that happens Congress does nothing pretty sure we have seen that once before.

If nothing were to happen in 4 years I really don't see how that would effect me or anyone I know.

But by all means go protest march stamp your feet if it makes you feel better. I'll be laughing all the way to 2020.

First of all, the bolded is important. Obama refuses leave the spotlight, and absence makes the heart grow fonder.

Second, here's an article from your propaganda wing that challenges your assertion.

CNN:

Warming on W.: More Americans like George W. Bush than dislike

I'll give you Western Europe, only because they (Obama and WE) share the same viewpoints (go figure, a president who shares the same viewpoints as a region is always going to look favorably there).


Come on Vic, even the liberal media admitted that his favorability rating improved post-office.



And this was back in 2015.

It is a mindblowing poor understanding of recent history to think that Obama did worse than Bush in the middle east.

And I'm by no means someone who defends Obama's foreign policy.

Or you can be very selective in your memory.

At best, people can say that Obama did no worse than Bush, but even then, they will be ignoring the incompetence displayed by Obama when it came to Iraq, Egypt, Syria, Libya, and Iran.

Is that why I don't remember the last 8 years...

Are you kidding? Trump's arrival has brought back a real wave of nostalgia for W from the left, it's uncanny.

George W. Bush has literally never been more popular than he is right now. The right never disliked him to begin with, and the left has realized that whatever their complaints with him, at least he believes in the rule of law.

W is/was a politician. Trump is not. He's out of his element and doesn't fully understand what he's doing or how he should do it.

Yes that's all true but are you gonna buy one of his paintings?

No, but the motivation behind it gives some insight into the man.

He's been painting veterans, specifically ones injured "following my orders". There's an ocean of debate as to whether those orders were a good idea or not, but do you think there will ever be a day where you hear a similar sentiment from Trump?

I don't think so either. And that sort of thing is the very reason why W's legacy is getting a post-Trump bump; a flawed President to be sure, but at least a human one.

Wait, is this a rhetorical question?

I don't think anyone expects any humility from Trump. That's not why he was elected.

Here's hoping for a reroll in 2020.

On that note, what are the odds of a Republican primary in 2019-2020?

0%. They're not going to primary President Pence, and there's no way Trump makes it that far.

Like I said I do not defend Obama's admin in foreign affairs. But the guy still fails to realize that the actions of the Bush admin in Iraq have caused consequences so deep that they are just incomparable, a useless war that served nothing but creating thousands of terrorists.
Obama didn't want anything to do with what Bush did in Iraq but whoever idea it was to leave before fixing it was incredibly shortsighted(I can't believe nobody thought about it), Bush left Iraq in shambles and Obama just went oops I'll wait outside. Then his syrian campaign was rather poor(not useless, and I do not have the military intel and expertise to suggest how to do it better, but poor nonetheless).

Lybia however is a case similar to Iraq in theory. A useless war created for fear of Gaddafi shifting the economic balance of the world controlled by America. The only difference is that the EU countries will probably never leave it so history will make it seem like it was a lesser evil.

Ukraine has little to do with Obama, unless the Yakunovich conspiracy is true(but as with all conspiracies I would refrain from jumping on board without proof).

That's all they know how to do. They invested 100% of their ability into media control in order to control the popular narrative. Now that they've been shown to be a sham, people aren't listening anymore. Trump has played them perfectly. Got them so riled up they played their entire hand.

How dare you presume my agreement! You are correct though.

All signs show we're going to see a bad decision sooner than later. While Trump can make an appearance for the arrival of a singular KIA; I doubt he will find the time for all those that will be afflicted from said pending bad decisions.

I find that Bush is a tale of two presidencies that are defined by the watershed moment of 9-11 and the actions taken thereafter and the Abu Ghraib fiasco. There was significant in direction with regard policy and who he trusted after those two events.

Also like Fone mentioned earlier, I think in the long game of history Bush will be remembered more for the impact of PEPFAR than the debacle of Iraq.

Did you just pull a Candlejack?

Obama is just as guilty as Bush for creating those terrorists. ISIS would not exist if it wasn't for the blunders of both Bush and Obama.

To say that Bush alone is responsible for what is happening in Iraq today is not only dishonest, but completely 100% partisan.

Hate to break it to you sweetheart, but Bush had zero to do with the Syrian civil war. That's all on Obama.

Libya.

Again, Bush and Obama share equitable blame for the happenings in Libya. Same concept as above.

Obama's noninterference with Russia during the Ukraine disaster is also another one of Obama's blunders. But then again, Crimea wanted to be annexed, so there you go.

I don't think he gets that far because he was never going to make it that far. I expect the real plan was to have him propose/sign off on some of the more PR-unfriendly proposals (hey guys! you can dump coal waste in rivers again, and your financial advisor can do what he *** wants!), then hit him with impeachment for violations of the emoluments clause, install Pence, and use Trump as the scapegoat for said PR-unfriendly bits. Pence is their guy in a way Trump never, ever, will be, but he likely wouldn't have won the general.

Congress was always going to have enough evidence to impeach, once Trump decided he wasn't really going to let go of his companies. It's only a matter of "when", with "when" being when he's not useful anymore (or such a threat to the party/nation that he must be removed).

The complication, of course, is that it's all gone so much crazier and so much faster than expected, and they've been caught off guard.

The real issue, and it's something we in the west ignore in our rhetoric about Putin is a bad man etc., is that article 2 of the "Russian-Ukrainian Friendship Treaty of 97/98'" was broken.

"In accord with provisions of the UN Charter and obligations of the Final Act on Security and Cooperation in Europe, the High Contracting Parties shall respect each other's territorial integrity and reaffirm the inviolability of the borders existing between them"

Now of course Russia justified the action by saying the Article where "both parties ensure the citizens of the other countries' rights and freedoms on the same basis and to the same extent that for it's citizens" was not being upheld. So Russia was coming to the aid of their brethren etc.

The President is exempt from the conflict of interest laws that govern other federal executive branch employees, so I'm not sure what evidence you're referring to.

I think he'll be the one to finally climax with KJU. Mind you, unifying the koreas will be great, just hope the cost won't be high.