Random Politics & Religion #18

who cares who she is. why is Spicer holding up tweets, like they're hard evidence or something, in a room full of people who can't even see them well enough to read the piece of paper he's holding.

"They [the SEALs] entered another house and killed everybody in it, including all the women. They burned the house. There is an assumption there was a woman [in the house] from Saudi Arabia who was with al Qaeda. All we know is that she was a children's teacher."

Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula released a statement via online jihadi media referring to the raid as a "massacre," said U.S. troops had fired on women and children "in cold blood," and accused the SEALs of having "no human values."

It's all a show to distract from discussing the details of the raid in al Bayda, Yemen where we lost a Navy SEAL and killed something to the tune of 59 people (depending on who's count you go by).

3 senior level al Qaeda were killed in the raid and so was Nawar al-Awlaki, the 8yr old daughter of Anwar al-Awlaki. Her mother survived the raid.

Which if you guessed, is going to do wonders for us in terms of keeping recruitment down.

Especially when there is witness testimony like the following:


Along with al Qaeda already taken the opportunity to propagandize the event:

I can't keep up to you all.

I mean you are posting from work, but I am playing a game.

These last few days on this thread has SO pointed out that FFXIV >>>> RL.

There is no way a SEAL team would have conducted an operation like that, a raid, with only two weeks of planning. I'm sure they planned for months, I'm sure Obama knew about it, and I'm sure that the Al-Qaeda news network is not reliable. I haven't read up on it, but I doubt its as bad as they make it out to be.

Come on fone you can't cut off the explanation in that clip.

I just assume we have all seen Full Metal Jacket !

Its not like they are short on recruitment tools these days.

Muslims something something Supreme Court something something.

Betting that Trump's going to catch a bullet to the head before the end of 2017.

Odds are only going to go up from here-on-out.

I bet you are fun at parties...

DETROIT (WJBK) - A local business owner flies to Iraq to bring his mother back home to the US for medical treatment. But under President Trump's ban on immigration and travel from seven predominately Muslim nations, he was forced to leave his family behind.

His mother died just one day after being told she couldn't return to the United States.

Mike Hager fled Iraq with his family during the Gulf War, returned during the Iraq war and worked alongside United States Marines and Army forces. He now owns a business in Metro Detroit and said his mom would still be alive today if President Donald Trump had not instituted his travel ban on Muslim countries.

Hager said he was returning home with his family that included his sick mom. They were returning home to the United States where his mother has lived since 1995. As they were waiting in line at the airport in Iraq on Friday, he was told that he could pass through because he was a U.S. citizen. But his family members - including his mom - weren't allowed, despite holding green cards.

"They destroyed us. I went with my family, I came back by myself. They destroyed our family," Hager said.

Hager was born in Iraq and fled during the Gulf War. He lived in a refugee camp with his family for four years before settling in the United States. In the 2000s, he returned to Iraq where he worked as a contractor for the United States Special forces between 2003 and 2008 as an interpreter and cultural advisor. He even survived being shot in the back while serving.

He's a proud American citizen whose family has now been torn apart.

"The immigration told us that the President of the United States put an order right now - you guys cannot go," he told FOX 2's Amy Lange.

Hager, his niece, and two nephews were traveling with his 75-year-old mother, Naimma, home to Michigan. They traveled to Iraq to visit family and when she fell ill. Hager said he didn't expect it to be a problem for the family to travel since they all had green cards and had lived in the United States for 20 years.

"I was just shocked. I had to put my mom back on the wheelchair and take her back and call the ambulance and she was very very upset. She knew right there if we send her back to the hospital she's going to pass away - she's not going to make it," Hager said.

Sadly, he was right. Naimma, lived in the United States since 1995, wasn't allowed to come home. She died in her native country. Hager said if it weren't for the order, his mom would still be alive today.

He blames her death on President Trump.

I really believe this in my heart: if they would have let us in, my mom - she would have made it and she would have been sitting right here next to me," Hager said. "She's gone because of him."

Just as the family was traveling, President Trump signed an executive order banning travelers from seven majority-Muslim countries.

Travelers from Iran, Iraq, Syria, Sudan, Libya, Yemen and Somalia are banned from traveling to the United States for 90 days so the country can detect "individuals with terrorist ties and stopping them from entering the United States."

Hager says he has no idea when his nephews and niece will be able to return to the United States and he's worried about his own status - even though he is an American citizen.

"This is our home. We've been here for too long, we've been here since we were kids," Hager said. "If I'm not wanted overseas in Iraq and I'm not wanted here, then where do I go? What am I supposed to do with my family?"

Hager is mourning more than his mother; he's also mourning the way of life he believes that makes America great. He also has this message for the Commander in Chief:

"You have to understand you have a daughter - you have family - imagine if somebody does that to your mom. You put the terrorists on this side - the bad people - but don't mix everyone together," Hager said.

Nope, according to our military it was not an Obama administration hold over operation. Was the first operation under the Trump administration.

But I dunno I mean an operation like this in the first week is like "fast". Even with the possibility of actionable intelligence being presented in briefings between election and inauguration.

I lived in a country where most people think that American are mostly Islamophobic devil (well, next to Israel of course). However, seeing all the American from normal citizen, to celebrities and even politician of different background, religion and skin color spoke out against the ban just changed the view on America in just one night.

Thanks Trump

It's simple get elected to Congress so you can have your say in that list !

President Trump has inherited a vast domestic intelligence agency with extraordinary secret powers. A cache of documents offers a rare window into the FBI’s quiet expansion since 9/11.

1. Confidential Human Source Policy Guide

2. Counterterrorism Policy Guide

3. Domestic Investigations and Operations Guide

4.Guidance on Guardian Assessments 2013

5. DIOG Profiling Rules 2016

6.Confidential Human Source Assessing Aid

7. National Security Letters Redacted