Random Politics & Religion #14

Liberals who want the Electoral College abolished clearly did not study history. I thought that liberals enjoyed the social sciences... you mean to tell me you didn't study one of the few actually useful ones?

The strategy of calling everyone a bigot worked out so well for Dems this election. Keep it up. Trump needs a supermajority in the midterms.

Who are you responding to?

Guess I'll do a quad like my weed smoking days:

You guys are going to love/roll your eyes at this: Several computer scientist are suggesting the Clinton campaign request a recount based on a pattern in the data.



Based on your bias implications of hack or implications of desperation. Only time will tell.

The EC was also not supposed to be a contest between two political parties, binomial choice was not the intention.

ACtually, if you think about it, it is.

I mean, how often do you think a 3 party system will have somebody receive 50% +1 EC votes all the time, like our current 2 party system? How often do you think a 4 party system...5 party system....so on-so forth.

Remember, if nobody receives 50% +1 EC votes, the election is decided by the House. Do you really want the House to decide who is the president all the time?

If we are going back to the original plan, it was written for the House to decide based on the three highest votes.

That is why it was changed, because they ran into problems with the two party system and how people voted. Then the house had voting issues.

But the EC was not set-up based on a political party system. Parties started forming when Washington was in office, but this is after the EC was created.

Then you will have to admit that the 2 party system was created because of the EC.

Again, nobody wants the House to dictate who's president. If they did, they would be doing it right now.

I know you are hoping to impeach Trump, but man, you got to understand that you cannot impeach a president because of what shoes he is wearing today!

If that means the winners are decided via the House, then so be it.

I'd rather have the winner be president and the runner up be vice-president, like I stated in my previous post. Remember in the original system multiple people within the same party ran for president. Rather than a single ticket with President and Vice President.

If that means the winners are decided via the House, then so be it.

The two party system is incredibly divisive and our country is constantly going through (as Rooks stated earlier) "Not my president for the last (insert your own number here) years".

You do realize that it would mean the current House, not the incoming House, right?

In other words, if the democrats/liberals won a majority of House seats this year, it doesn't matter cause the Republicans still hold it.

That would make presidential election years irrelevant and the years where no presidential elections more important than the presidential elections.

Then again, by your method, why bother holding an election in the first place? It seems like you rather have a ruling class of people dictate how this country is run instead of having people having a voice in the matter.

Sorry, but the coastal cities should not dictate how this country is run. It's already proven that they have no grasp of reality, how can we expect them to run a country except by their own benefits and feels?

They haven't finished tallying California's votes. As it stands more votes from the the state of California than 33 states combined.

Something people to need to consider before making fun of the strongest economy in the union and 6th strongest globally saying "wtf" at the rest of the nation.

Who gives a ***about California they would vote Democrat for the next 200 years anyways.

Only if you count all he illegal votes.

They got some nice beaches too bad the people there ruin it !

It would make all elections relevent not just presidential election years. Which is when the majority of voters turn out currently.

It would also allow for more candidates to be involved with varying viewpoints, rather than the lesser of 2 evils.

This is the original setup. I didn't come up with this method to force "a ruling class" on you

I also think press shouldn't report results until it is final

Furthermore though, as this election showed, people across the country have different values and different cultures. We need to address that a little better with our voting system, I don't think popular vote should determine the president but rather a weight vote for each state with less populated rural states having a higher weight on their vote within some means.

The problem with the popular vote argument is that people forget we are a nation spread across a vast land that involves many cultures all with different needs and if we continually fail to address the cultures that have less population by product of their businesses then we will continue to disparage them and harm America.

Many people, for example in CA or TX, don't vote and feel disenfranchised because their vote counts less than swing states as their state is "blue" or "red" and it doesn't matter.

Hillary Clinton is being urged by a group of prominent computer scientists and election lawyers to call for a recount in three swing states won by Donald Trump, New York has learned. The group, which includes voting-rights attorney John Bonifaz and J. Alex Halderman, the director of the University of Michigan Center for Computer Security and Society, believes they’ve found persuasive evidence that results in Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania may have been manipulated or hacked. The group is so far not speaking on the record about their findings and is focused on lobbying the Clinton team in private.

Last Thursday, the activists held a conference call with Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta and campaign general counsel Marc Elias to make their case, according to a source briefed on the call. The academics presented findings showing that in Wisconsin, Clinton received 7 percent fewer votes in counties that relied on electronic-voting machines compared with counties that used optical scanners and paper ballots. Based on this statistical analysis, Clinton may have been denied as many as 30,000 votes; she lost Wisconsin by 27,000. While it’s important to note the group has not found proof of hacking or manipulation, they are arguing to the campaign that the suspicious pattern merits an independent review — especially in light of the fact that the Obama White House has accused the Russian government of hacking the Democratic National Committee.

According to current tallies, Trump has won 290 Electoral College votes to Clinton’s 232, with Michigan’s 16 votes not apportioned because the race there is still too close to call. It would take overturning the results in both Wisconsin (10 Electoral College votes) and Pennsylvania (20 votes), in addition to winning Michigan’s 16, for Clinton to win the Electoral College. There is also the complicating factor of “faithless electors,” or members of the Electoral College who do not vote according to the popular vote in their states. At least six electoral voters have said they would not vote for Trump, despite the fact that he won their states.

The Clinton camp is running out of time to challenge the election. According to one of the activists, the deadline in Wisconsin to file for a recount is Friday; in Pennsylvania, it’s Monday; and Michigan is next Wednesday. Whether Clinton will call for a recount remains unclear. The academics so far have only a circumstantial case that would require not just a recount but a forensic audit of voting machines. Also complicating matters, a senior Clinton adviser said, is that the White House, focused on a smooth transfer of power, does not want Clinton to challenge the election result. Clinton communications director Jennifer Palmieri did not respond to a request for comment. But some Clinton allies are intent on pushing the issue. This afternoon, Huma Abedin’s sister Heba encouraged her Facebook followers to lobby the Justice Department to audit the 2016 vote. “Call the DOJ…and tell them you want the votes audited,” she wrote. “Even if it’s busy, keep calling.”

For eliroo on the topic yesterday about minimum wage.

Should distribute points based on percentage like in some primaries. Would change hierarchies in which states pull weight a bit more, but it would be more equal.