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By Viciouss 2016-11-22 13:09:21
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If Chelsea used her position in the foundation to pay for her wedding, and thats a big if, considering its just one guy's opinion, and not actual evidence, wouldn't that put Chelsea in trouble? What did it ever have to do with HRC and Bill?
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By eliroo 2016-11-22 13:13:21
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If Chelsea used her position in the foundation to pay for her wedding, and thats a big if, considering its just one guy's opinion, and not actual evidence, wouldn't that put Chelsea in trouble? What did it ever have to do with HRC and Bill?

I'm honestly having a hard time coming up with a response that would sound reasonable to you, given how unreasonable your question is.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-11-22 13:13:21
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Caitsith.Shiroi said: »
The president has the ability to pardon someone of a possible crime, even if none was committed.
Charged crime you mean.

Article 2, Section 2, of the US Constitution

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...he shall have power to grant reprieves and pardons for offenses against the United States, except in cases of impeachment.

Again, there has to be a charge against the person in question for a pardon to exist.

Clinton was never charged with anything...yet.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-11-22 13:15:43
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Oh, and before you can counter with anything of the sort, there would be no double jeopardy if Clinton was charged with anything, email or foundation related, as she was never charged with anything to begin with.
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By Viciouss 2016-11-22 13:16:50
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eliroo said: »
Viciouss said: »
If Chelsea used her position in the foundation to pay for her wedding, and thats a big if, considering its just one guy's opinion, and not actual evidence, wouldn't that put Chelsea in trouble? What did it ever have to do with HRC and Bill?

I'm honestly having a hard time coming up with a response that would sound reasonable to you, given how unreasonable your question is.

Well keep trying. Because I wouldn't expect to see a person charged with a crime committed by someone else.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2016-11-22 13:17:22
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Ford issued a blanket pardon for Nixon after his resignation.
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2016-11-22 13:18:14
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eliroo said: »
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I mean why should we lock anyone up who wants to sell bits and pieces of our government to unqualified lobbyist who only know how to look out for their own good?

Because we'd have to arrest and convict every politician if we don't want to appear to have a political agenda in doing so.

Good news is that if we legalize or decriminalize marijuana usage we will have tons of room in private owned prisons!

About that... Have you met Sen. Jeff Sessions the President-Elect's appointment for Attorney General?

"Good people don't smoke marijuana" - Jeff Sessions.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-11-22 13:21:20
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Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
Ford issued a blanket pardon for Nixon after his resignation.
We already went over that.

Do try to keep up. It's not hard, you can do it!
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2016-11-22 13:22:34
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Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
Ford issued a blanket pardon for Nixon after his resignation.


Ford did this, based on his interpretation of Burdick v United States in that the constitution did not limit pardon power to cases of convicted offenders or indicted offenders.
 
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By eliroo 2016-11-22 13:25:38
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Lakshmi.Zerowone said: »
Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
Ford issued a blanket pardon for Nixon after his resignation.


Ford did this, based on his interpretation of Burdick v United States in that the constitution did not limit pardon power to cases of convicted offenders or indicted offenders.

What about Clinton's pardon of John Deutch? If anything that Pardon matches the type of Pardon Obama would have to give Clinton.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2016-11-22 13:25:55
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
Ford issued a blanket pardon for Nixon after his resignation.
We already went over that.

Do try to keep up. It's not hard, you can do it!
History runs contradictory to your supposed point.
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By eliroo 2016-11-22 13:29:35
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I can definitely foresee Obama Pardoning Clinton on Jan. 20 for "any Security Failures during her tenure as Secretary of the state" or something like that.
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By Ramyrez 2016-11-22 13:32:56
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So bored with e-mail bickering.

I never gave a damn.

"But wait! She threatened the security of...!"

Her husband lost the *** nuclear launch codes and no one gave a piss.

Donald Trump has already endangered national security by blabbing about briefings he received publically.

Didn't really care about that either.

And dozens of people before her used private e-mail servers and lost documents and blah blah blah blah blah.

Get over it. Gloat about "winning" if you call it a win, but ***'s sake. Just like your candidate you're being a sore winner. This is why nobody likes Dallas, the Steelers, New England, or the *** Yankees.

Even when they win their fans are insufferable!
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By Ramyrez 2016-11-22 13:34:01
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Oh, and just to keep in culturally diverse, nobody gives a ***if the Habs or the Leafs crawl out of the basement and stop sucking ***either, Canada.
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2016-11-22 13:34:38
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Viciouss said: »
If Chelsea used her position in the foundation to pay for her wedding, and thats a big if, considering its just one guy's opinion, and not actual evidence, wouldn't that put Chelsea in trouble? What did it ever have to do with HRC and Bill?

The covering it up part would go against whoever cooked the books

fox news story
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By eliroo 2016-11-22 13:35:47
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I think the biggest issue with the "e-mail" issue is that she attempted to hide the evidence and at the very least lied to the american public.

The issue its self, is big and should have been charged as a crime (similar to other cases) but the obstruction of justice, potential perjury or at the least lying to the american public is where the outrage comes from.

I don't think we should really just write off how apparently corrupt our government looked at that time.
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By Ramyrez 2016-11-22 13:35:48
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What if the president elect immediately began using his position to leverage his private business interests?

Asking theoretically.
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By eliroo 2016-11-22 13:36:54
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Depends on how clear the leverage is, clearly. He has apparently already started with Argentina.
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By Ramyrez 2016-11-22 13:37:23
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eliroo said: »
I think the biggest issue with the "e-mail" issue is that she attempted to hide the evidence and at the very least lied to the american public.

Welcome to every politician ever.

Even Bernie, I'm sure.

The American public can't handle a *** flashed at the Super Bowl. You think they can handle the complexities of international communiques or black ops in Cambodia or whatever else?

Give them a season of The Apprentice in Washington D.C. where Breibart's shill has to get hit in the face with a pie for losing a debate or something. They'll be better off that way.
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By Ramyrez 2016-11-22 13:38:21
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Depends on how clear the leverage is, clearly. He has apparently already started with Argentina.

Who is he?

I was asking theoretically!
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By Viciouss 2016-11-22 13:38:44
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Ramyrez said: »
Get over it. Gloat about "winning" if you call it a win, but ***'s sake. Just like your candidate you're being a sore winner. This is why nobody likes Dallas, the Steelers, New England, or the *** Yankees.

Even when they win their fans are insufferable!

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By Ramyrez 2016-11-22 13:39:34
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Ramyrez said: »
Get over it. Gloat about "winning" if you call it a win, but ***'s sake. Just like your candidate you're being a sore winner. This is why nobody likes Dallas, the Steelers, New England, or the *** Yankees.

Even when they win their fans are insufferable!


Yeah, enjoy it. Now you don't have a real claim to fame anymore and nobody will give a ***.

You were better off with the legacy of goat betrayal.
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By Viciouss 2016-11-22 13:40:17
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Ramyrez said: »
Viciouss said: »
Ramyrez said: »
Get over it. Gloat about "winning" if you call it a win, but ***'s sake. Just like your candidate you're being a sore winner. This is why nobody likes Dallas, the Steelers, New England, or the *** Yankees.

Even when they win their fans are insufferable!


Yeah, enjoy it. Now you don't have a real claim to fame anymore and nobody will give a ***.

You were better off with the legacy of goat betrayal.

I'm sorry I can't hear you.
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2016-11-22 13:41:24
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Ramyrez said: »
What if the president elect immediately began using his position to leverage his private business interests?

Asking theoretically.

if he/she was a democrat? absoultely nothing.
if of course you can name the last democrat that ran a successfull business before they entered office....
 
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By Ramyrez 2016-11-22 13:43:21
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Shiva.Nikolce said: »
Ramyrez said: »
What if the president elect immediately began using his position to leverage his private business interests?

Asking theoretically.

if he/she was a democrat? absoultely nothing.
if of course you can name the last democrat that ran a successfull business before they entered office....

Democrats get into office to get into business, duh.
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