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Random Politics & Religion #14
Shiva.Nikolce said: » Viciouss said: » Considering how narrowly Trump won the Electoral College, y 306 to 232 is narrow? Look at the margin in the 3 states, Pennsylvania 60k, Wisconsin 20k, and still uncalled Michigan Trump is leading by about 10k. According to nausi, millions of unregistered voters cast ballots. Shiva.Nikolce said: » Ragnarok.Nausi said: » What's the counter reasoning? Il-legals don't vote because that's breaking the law? that it didn't matter in the slightest if any illegals did vote... we swept the whole election. do you want to call Loretta Lynch and ask her to throw out the results and have a do over? eliroo said: » Not by the millions that nausi is "claiming." Viciouss said: » Shiva.Nikolce said: » Viciouss said: » Considering how narrowly Trump won the Electoral College, y 306 to 232 is narrow? Look at the margin in the 3 states, Pennsylvania 60k, Wisconsin 20k, and still uncalled Michigan Trump is leading by about 10k. According to nausi, millions of unregistered voters cast ballots. To over-exaggerate it and to deny it completely are the same thing in my book. Its happening and when you get to margins as small as 10k, 20k or even 60k the fact that it is happening can make a huge difference.
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eliroo said: » I think the fact the Democrats are complaining because they feel that states that require an ID to vote hurt the voter outcome, shows the type of people they want voting for them. This is the kind of thing that can get you in trouble because you have to understand all the facets of it, because it presumes everyone who doesn't have an ID doesn't have it because of shady reasons. It's actually the opposite of the thinking democrats are taking ***for. Not every poor, uneducated person in the inner city is a drug dealing thug mooching off of welfare and disability. But a lot of them still don't have valid public IDs because they don't have a need for them in their day-to-day life. It's actually a far more complicated problem than people want to give it credit for being. Like I said. Chip everyone at birth! It's November 17 we won get over it ! Go fight social justice for the good of mankind !
eliroo said: » Viciouss said: » Shiva.Nikolce said: » Viciouss said: » Considering how narrowly Trump won the Electoral College, y 306 to 232 is narrow? Look at the margin in the 3 states, Pennsylvania 60k, Wisconsin 20k, and still uncalled Michigan Trump is leading by about 10k. According to nausi, millions of unregistered voters cast ballots. To over-exaggerate it and to deny it completely are the same thing in my book. Its happening and when you get to margins as small as 10k, 20k or even 60k the fact that it is happening can make a huge difference. eliroo said: » Viciouss said: » Shiva.Nikolce said: » Viciouss said: » Considering how narrowly Trump won the Electoral College, y 306 to 232 is narrow? Look at the margin in the 3 states, Pennsylvania 60k, Wisconsin 20k, and still uncalled Michigan Trump is leading by about 10k. According to nausi, millions of unregistered voters cast ballots. To over-exaggerate it and to deny it completely are the same thing in my book. Its happening and when you get to margins as small as 10k, 20k or even 60k the fact that it is happening can make a huge difference. Which is my whole point, considering how close the EC was, why would nausi run with the voter fraud lie when the outcome was in his favor? Still waiting for someone to tell me how millions couldn't vote illegitimately in our system.
In NH you can just sign a piece of paper saying you just moved here and vote the same day. What did trump loose there by? 1000? Messed up the quote >.>
fonewear said: » It's November 17 we won get over it ! Go fight social justice for the good of mankind ! Personkind, you jerk!
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Ragnarok.Nausi said: » Still waiting for someone to tell me how millions couldn't vote illegitimately in our system. In NH you can just sign a piece of paper saying you just moved here and vote the same day. What did trump loose there by? 1000? Chip databases for all! Just tattoo all illegal immigrants with "illegal" on their foreheads mission accomplished.
fonewear said: » Just tattoo all illegal immigrants with "illegal" on their foreheads mission accomplished. Except that plenty of legal U.S. citizens already have tattoos like that!
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Ramyrez said: » eliroo said: » I think the fact the Democrats are complaining because they feel that states that require an ID to vote hurt the voter outcome, shows the type of people they want voting for them. This is the kind of thing that can get you in trouble because you have to understand all the facets of it, because it presumes everyone who doesn't have an ID doesn't have it because of shady reasons. It's actually the opposite of the thinking democrats are taking ***for. Not every poor, uneducated person in the inner city is a drug dealing thug mooching off of welfare and disability. But a lot of them still don't have valid public IDs because they don't have a need for them in their day-to-day life. It's actually a far more complicated problem than people want to give it credit for being. Like I said. Chip everyone at birth! Potentially, but in Texas an ID isn't incredibly hard to get. It just involves a wait at the DMV for a little bit and someone wanted to vote it wouldn't be too difficult to get. I fail to see how not requiring an ID to vote would bring any sort of good to the country, it opens the gateway for undocumented immigrants to vote in our election. Also, when people say Voter ID laws it doesn't necessarily mean they are complaining about voters require ID laws but it is a blanket term that encompasses a few other things that are something to complain about. I read a few articles though that were literally complaining about voters needing IDs. Ragnarok.Nausi said: » Still waiting for someone to tell me how millions couldn't vote illegitimately in our system. In NH you can just sign a piece of paper saying you just moved here and vote the same day. What did trump loose there by? 1000? I'll compromise with you. Agree to make all sexual assault convictions felonies that revoke voting privilege and I'll agree we should have a much more stringent vetting of each and every voter. For the record, I was ID'd when I voted as a new resident in Pennsylvania, and that was only as a new resident in my district. I've been a PA resident my whole life. So there goes Rudy Giuliani's horse ***claim about fraud in Philly with people being bussed in! Ragnarok.Nausi said: » Still waiting for someone to tell me how millions couldn't vote illegitimately in our system. because they're as lazy as everyone else that didn't vote?
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eliroo said: » Potentially, but in Texas an ID isn't incredibly hard to get. It just involves a wait at the DMV for a little bit and someone wanted to vote it wouldn't be too difficult to get. It doesn't require *getting* to the DMV? It doesn't require birth certificates or other proofs? In Pennsylvania state IDs are technically free but still actually cost upward $100 if you need to obtain the various documents needed. Viciouss said: » Which is my whole point, considering how close the EC was, why would nausi run with the voter fraud lie when the outcome was in his favor? I think he is poorly trying to counter the "popular vote" argument. Which I don't understand, Clinton won the popular vote which makes perfect sense but she didn't win the EC, which also makes sense as her platform would leave millions without jobs. Ramyrez said: » eliroo said: » Potentially, but in Texas an ID isn't incredibly hard to get. It just involves a wait at the DMV for a little bit and someone wanted to vote it wouldn't be too difficult to get. It doesn't require *getting* to the DMV? It doesn't require birth certificates or other proofs? In Pennsylvania state IDs are technically free but still actually cost upward $100 if you need to obtain the various documents needed. That's a fair point, I forget there was a fee associated with it which most wouldn't be able to afford. If you can't get a photo ID maybe we should send you to the Middle East where you can vote in their elections with your thumb !
 Caitsith.Shiroi said: » Ragnarok.Nausi said: » Still waiting for someone to tell me how millions couldn't vote illegitimately in our system. In NH you can just sign a piece of paper saying you just moved here and vote the same day. What did trump loose there by? 1000? So you think Trump won key states by using voter fraud? I don't get your point. eliroo said: » That's a fair point, I forget there was a fee associated with it which most wouldn't be able to afford. I think "most" is a stretch, but the thing is, the people who can't are also very frequently the exact people the GOP doesn't want voting in the first place. Here's the thing. It would be a lot easier to accept he's actually concerned with voting fairness if there weren't copious examples of the GOP admitting that voter suppression favors them and that they actively seek to do it.
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Ramyrez said: » eliroo said: » That's a fair point, I forget there was a fee associated with it which most wouldn't be able to afford. I think "most" is a stretch, but the thing is, the people who can't are also very frequently the exact people the GOP doesn't want voting in the first place. Here's the thing. It would be a lot easier to accept he's actually concerned with voting fairness if there weren't copious examples of the GOP admitting that voter suppression favors them and that they actively seek to do it. Another fair statement, I think this year it is a much bigger concern because anti-immigration was a big platform this year. I find it silly how Democrats had a few years to sort this issue out. Something as simple as Free ID's would have fixed this problem. eliroo said: » Another fair statement, I think this year it is a much bigger concern because anti-immigration was a big platform this year. I find it silly how Democrats had a few years to sort this issue out. Something as simple as Free ID's would have fixed this problem. Pinning it on Dems is sort of a problem too though. The places where it's happening are very solidly GOP-held. Ohio and North Carolina come to mind as two places I seem to recall being talked about in the news as places where the GOP was very publically trying to suppress voting. |
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