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 Cerberus.Gillesjboulon
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By Cerberus.Gillesjboulon 2016-10-03 08:21:13
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small question :
should i stack haste at 26% with equipment or just stop at 16% since apocalypse is 10% equipment haste ?
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By Blazed1979 2016-10-03 09:12:38
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you should always have an apoc TP set and an apoc AM set.
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By Bahamut.Vinedrius 2016-10-03 09:16:16
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Apoc haste is JA haste, not gear.
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By eliroo 2016-10-03 09:19:24
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Only the AG 119 Version is JA Haste.
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By Lakshmi.Neboh 2016-10-03 11:11:16
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Bahamut.Vinedrius said: »
Apoc haste is JA haste, not gear.
Like what Eliroo already mentioned, the Apoc haste becomes JA haste only after it becomes afterglow 119. Otherwise, yeah it's still gear haste. But like the rest said, separate sets for TP and AM to maximize your output.
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By Cerberus.Gillesjboulon 2016-10-03 16:00:59
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i understand now : haste is not an hidden effect of apocalypse, it's the AM
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By Cerberus.Gillesjboulon 2016-10-04 04:06:11
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i'm aiming at 119 III version
correct me if i'm wrong :
there is a difference in haste from 75~119 II to 1119 III
for 119 III, haste is no more gear haste but JA haste
so in this case (119 III) only 1 TP set with 26% haste ???
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By Cerberus.Drayco 2016-10-04 06:23:24
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Correct. Having a 16% haste set is not longer necessary for 119 AG.
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By Shiva.Alcadias 2016-10-16 16:16:52
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So at 119 AG Apoc, what would these sets look like for AM and non AM?
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By Asura.Azagarth 2016-10-16 23:27:28
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the same
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By Asura.Ganno 2016-10-17 04:14:26
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with AM and hasso up, if ur magic haste is capped, u can remove 8 haste in you sets ( you'll have your melee speed capped with 18 gear haste)
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By Asura.Azagarth 2016-10-17 11:03:49
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ganno is correct, but realistically you wont have any differences in your tp sets, the only thing you "could" remove would be isoken belt's (+1) 7-8% haste but in all honesty its DA 8 and 12 acc still make its very good. I guess a windbuffet belt could be better though, but I dislike the TA/QA on scythe as its normally not to great when you already have a 4 hit build (3+ws) since it will just be overage which is nice for CR but does nothing for cata. Also you do lose 10 acc that way too which is greatly needed on drk... kind of a toss up and reason why non really puts AM rules in their luas anymore. Share your lua though if you do.

The one real part where I could see this impactful is being able in your DT tp set to go from tempus fugit to isoken belt, a gain for 12 acc 8 DA in DT acc set. Now that is impactful :D and something I overlooked until now. Which means I will probably have to code in a rule at some point for that if none else has.
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By Asura.Sico 2019-04-12 08:30:21
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Asura.Ganno said: »
with AM and hasso up, if ur magic haste is capped, u can remove 8 haste in you sets ( you'll have your melee speed capped with 18 gear haste)

Can someone correct me in the math? i dont get it. in my opinion its

Magic Haste cap: 43,75
Gear Haste 18% (as said above)
JA Haste 10% Hasso
JA Haste 10% AM from 119 III Apocalypse

This would make 43,75 Magic + 18 gear + 20 JA = 81,75%

Total delay reduction caps at 80% when i got i right. This would mean: get rid of 1% gearhaste more.

That would make:
Magic Haste cap: 43,75
Gear Haste 17%
JA Haste 10% Hasso
JA Haste 10% AM from 119 III Apocalypse = 80,75

I have a question myself:
1)March haste is between 10,55 and 18,95 magic haste. Which value it is for Trusts (Joachim, Ulmia)?

2)Why ppl do /sam and not /war, when u have Apocalypse 119 III? Is it for the STP, STR, Zanshin, Meditate, Seigan 3rd Eye? i mean if u have Last Resort Up and 15% delay reduction from Despeate Blows + 10 % from AM 119 III Apocalypse you will be capped (25% cap)on JA Haste anyways (Is desperate blows JA haste?... guess so). The Hasso haste effect doesnt makes u faster, when Last Resort is up (which would be always but 1:10 min if its capped on merits). This would make Last Resort only good for DMG buff, though u would have more from it with Warcry and Beserk as /war since 10 DA+ would be also huge....? Plz help me out to understand why ppl do /sam and not /war.

I just got my Apocalypse 119 III yesterday and i wanne figure out how to get the best out of it.

ty in advance
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By Asura.Veikur 2019-04-12 08:53:57
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15 STP, meditate, sekkanoki, and full time capped haste are more important than 10 DA, berserk, warcry and aggressor.

DRK has the highest attack in the game, it really doesnt need more attack buffs. Nor does it need more defense down.
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By Asura.Darkkaze 2019-05-09 11:21:46
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Sorry to bump, could someone post Apoc AM up set? Can't seem to find anything up to date.
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By Pilipinoboi 2019-05-09 11:34:05
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Asura.Darkkaze said: »
Sorry to bump, could someone post Apoc AM up set? Can't seem to find anything up to date.

Due to Apocalypse's haste going from gear haste to JA haste AG'd, you no longer need AM sets where you drop 10% of gear haste in favour of MA.
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By SimonSes 2019-05-09 11:39:06
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Asura.Darkkaze said: »
Sorry to bump, could someone post Apoc AM up set? Can't seem to find anything up to date.

That's because Apoc set will be used only during LR down and you will be able to drop 8% haste (assuming hasso up). Generally I don't think you can do much offensively here, but it might be very useful if you want to equip several Sulevia pieces for hybrid DT TP set.
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By Bahamut.Nebohh 2019-05-09 11:40:47
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Correct. Apoc 119 III changes it all and makes that AM not worth making anymore in my opinion.
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