Science Vs Science Fiction

We know Distance/Time itself effects Light. Could it not be Space/Time causing w/e yall are seeing (I didnt see it) to have such an Effect on Light? We know for certain 1/2 of it Does. If Space itself is moving. Which yall even believe it is w/o me saying it. Would that effect Light?

Just how Magnetics IS in Fact, according to Wiki, part of the equation to Gravity.
- Yet search is littered w/ Magnetism =/= Gravity Threads

So too are ppl Questioning wether or not Gravity effects Light.
- Why so many Disbelievers

Dont they know about Magnetics in Gravity?
- Not w/ those Answers. They wont.

Geo Magnetospheres BEND light.....
- Northern Lights
- Solar Winds = LIGHT

Seeing a "Cross" light up around a Planet does not mean Gravity bends Light.

IMO cause I know.. damn near everyone I read states Magnetics cannot bend Light yet that is False

Einstein's Cross =/= Gravity bending Light


EDIT: Nvm.. I dont believe anything is capable of Bending light like that...
..idk wtf that is. Why no video recording...
Bending light stronger than ever before by accelerating electrons

You mean That? Not exactly Gravity. Only this IMO could be Einstein's failed Theory

I failed miserably on this one. It not only defies logic. Taking 243 days spinning backwards to pass One day. It defies my view as well as Gravitation. I even made a chart trying to cement the notion further yet failed again. Miserably.

• Rotation Speed vs Size compared to Earth

  Mercury - 59 Days 33%
  Venus - 243 Days 81.5%
  Earth - 24 Hours -
  Mars - 24.6 Hours 50%
  Jupiter - 10 Hours 11x
  Saturn - 10.656 Hours 9.5x
  Uranus - 17 Hours 4x
  Neptune 16.11 Hours 3.9x
  Pluto - 6.4 Days 18%

Im not trying prove anyone wrong nor myself right. I tried looking from multiple angles taking both PoV into consideration. I thought I might be close to knowing for certain but the Axis spin velocity...
God told you so himself? There is no mathematic equation to this idea only further speculation.

Science "Speculation" = God's Word

That's all I been hearing nonstop. Nobody is capable of thinking for themself? Your mind tells you, what your eyes see, that Gravity does NOT bends Light. Nobody questions anything...
I even give 2 examples then 3 w/ Eslim hidden pic findings that Electromagnetics are PROVEN to bend Light. While everyone online claims False FACTS...

I think the better question would be "why" you would want to do that in the first place.

You didnt read what I said. I trust you ask WAY more inteligent questions than myself...

I showed FACTS totally ignored... while they claim the opposite

- Northern Lights
- Solar Winds
- Eslim pic

That aint real? Electromagnetics dont bend light? They DO. This totally debunks Einstein's Cross down to atleast "questionable" status while yall and the whole internet preach it as Proof that Gravity bends Light.
Wtf kinda "science" is that...

So that's the Problem then. A dumb *** like myself just PROVED ...absolutely... nothing
How could he? He's an idiot... Understood

I appreciate the compliment.
- Either Electromagnetics exists in Gravity or it doesnt. Yes
- Either Electromagnetics bends Light or it doesnt. Yes
- Either Gravity effects Light or it doesnt. Yes/No?
- Either the Rotation/Spin of the Sun/Planets effect the flow of Space or they do not. Yes/No?
- Either Gravity is holding together our Solar System or it is not. Yes/No?
- Either Stars produce Atoms or they are not attracted to Planets. Yes
- Either Magetic Spheres can lock Stars, Planets, Moons together or not. Yes

I got at least 3/6 Correct so far... F.A.I.L
Not bad for someone whom cannot Read nor Write.
I suppose.

I claim No, Yes, No for the rest. I feel like I earned my Right to take my own guess.

Shouldn't density be factored in that somehow? Maybe it would help?

YEAH... I had to see this w/ my own Eyes just to believe it.

DROPPING OBJECTS IN WORLD’S LARGEST VACUUM CHAMBER

Interesting. Seeing contradictive info didnt make me Right but rather just looking for correct Answers in the wrong places. Jfc the whole Universe is falling. Not just the Sky. Probly stands < 3/6 Right now or Less? lmfao. Even more F.A.I.L
Everything is light as a feather w/ Zero resistance <_< So mass in Space should not hold anything together, Right? That's insane if Gravity on Earth reaches that far out into Space effecting other Planets... which should just make them fall faster, No? >_>

Wait... Mass = Gravity ffs... pfft So that Vacuum did not remove everything from "Falling in Space" scenario since the Earth is not below you in Space. So then there is "Zero Gravity" and Nothing is technically falling... Yes/No/Maybe?

Hmm... This is still going eh? Sorry I haven't been able to reply much here. I haven't had a lot of time with work sapping all of my day and no downtime either. I've glanced a few times but honestly there have been so many weird tangents that have next to nothing to do directly with the subject that it's a bit of a nightmare to try to sort it all out in to an intelligible response.

A couple of things.

Ignore literally everything that Eslim says. They have added nothing useful to this conversation.

Light is affected by gravity kinda like how tying one end of a rope to your waist and tying the other end to a car will affect the car. The person driving is probably gunna notice when the rope yanks you and drags you across the road for a while but ya aren't gunna stop the car. Gravity is a pretty weak force and light is very fast. (please again note that this is an analogy and should not be taken too literally)

On belief and "theory" vs scientific theory. None of us pick what we believe. You either believe or you don't. You are either convinced of something or you aren't. If I have a jar that has 534 pieces of candy in it and you think that it does not, does that make it suddenly have less or more in it? No, belief does not affect the truth and facts cannot be changed by wishful thinking or if you understand it or not. So just because you don't understand does not mean that the "theories" are wrong. Also just so you know, we call things like "the theory of gravity" and "the theory of evolution" theories in the scientific sense. Not the every day use of "I have a theory that my dog is 50% dalmatian cause it has spots" A scientific theory has a substantial body of evidence supporting it. In science, there is nothing above a theory, you don't "prove a theory" and make it become a law, it doesn't work that way.

If you want more info on that:


To say that "space" is moving is misunderstanding. It's expanding. As time progresses, 1 mile may get stretched out to 1.0003 miles. Like blowing up a ballon the objects in space get farther away from each other but this is a relatively slow process which gravity for closer objects like our solar system can overcome. But I'm not sure we should go here before we understand more basics. I think your main issue is that you are delving in to some weird sites, misunderstanding things that look similar but are not and conflating terms which have specific definitions in certain situations.


Can you link where you see the relation to gravity and magnetism? I suspect you're misinterpreting something.

Science education is severely lacking and it isn't surprising that other people do not understand. Much of this stuff is confusing, as we can clearly see from this thread. Again, a lack of understanding, misinformation or belief does not change facts.

Again, misunderstanding.

Northern lights are caused by solar winds hitting particles in our atmosphere. Solar winds are charged particles. NOT light. The reason they sway and move is because that's how the earth's magnetic field is swaying and moving.


Actually there is quite a bit of math and equations behind this. The problem is that it is literally entire fields of ideas rolled in to a large body of knowledge. There is more to know than could ever be known by a single person. This is why we have to put some trust in to what the experts in their fields say. It may be true that not everything they say is true or that some things we thought we might know turn out to be wrong but that is why we have the scientific method and peer review. Those systems help us sort the good science and bad science. The things that you are skeptical of are well known science that is taught to some degree in public school. Questioning things like this is very much akin to saying "Are you sure you're supposed to stop on red at a stop light?!" Yeah... actually we're pretty sure about that and we don't need imaginary sky people to tell us about it.

Also, there is a HUGE difference between theory and "speculation" noted in the video above.

Gravity affects all things the same for their mass. A feather and a crumpled up feather will fall at different speeds when you drop them normally due to air resistance. But in a vacuum(the air has been removed) they fall at the same rate.

Not everything in space is as light as a feather. Light is a relative term here. A feather has the same mass on earth as it does in space. This is simply an example to show you how things fall when air doesn't get in the way.

Postion is meaningless in space. There is no actual up or down or left or right. You can assign that meaning if you want but it is arbitrary. Down means what it does to us because we are on earth. I wish I could just sit you down with universe simulator to show you visually how this works. I already went over how gravity and orbits and how our solar system stays together twice now and I need to figure out a different way to explain it I guess.

My idea in the start was possibly the Space between 2 Magnets was being altered. Even though I know Magnets do not attract all objects. Possibly why everywhere I read claimed Magnetics =/= Gravity yet it is still involved in the equation.

So the particles being charged hitting the Magnetosphere interaction creates altered state of the Northern Lights? That would make sense. While this...
Bending light stronger than ever before by accelerating electrons
...still does the same exact trick
I understood and realized and respected that point was the case. Do we have anything beyond Einstein's Cross to verify that Gravity bends Light? I see it as the explanation of Black Holes while that itself still is suspect like Einstein's Cross.

Enjoyed the vid. A Theory created and used to explain another "new" Theory. Electromagnetics has been proven to not be a Theory all while Rejected against Einstein unproven Theory. Einstein's Theory is mutating into total Insanity.

Rejection of Reality = Insane

What I want to know is...
-Testing Gravity in a space Vaacum-
Does testing on Earth alter the verdict compared to being in Deep Space?
This will tell me if our Solar System is "falling" or Not. The Answer cannot remain a Contradiction (physics pun)
The "Pun" is on me. I see. "Masses Cancel" Gravity is Alien to Space. Gravitational Pull is a Myth.

The vid in that link is an illusion. The Vacuum removed Earth's atmosphere (Gravity) yet failed to remove Earth itself from the experiment. Therefore it is Too Weak to hold our Solar System in Orbit together let alone be the Reason everything Revolves around the Sun.

5/6 Correct now... the 6th is the Definition of Denial so it's a clean sweep by Default 6 - 0

Your second link just goes to page 5 of the thread so I'm not sure which post you're referencing.

These two things are nothing alike. One is charged ions hitting atoms in the upper atmosphere and creating new light by giving energy to those atoms and then those atoms give off the various colored light depending on the atom which was hit by the ion.

Refraction is literally just light traveling through different objects at different speeds. Light travels slower when it is going through a material than it does when it travels in space or a vacuum. Refraction is the bending of light but it is different than gravity.

Einstein's Cross is just the simplest and most easily observable interaction between gravity and light. Anything else is going to be less obvious but we can literally measure the effect of gravity on light in a lab with sensitive enough equipment.

We have a theory of electromagnetics. It is a theory. Again note that Theory does not mean "guess" or some random idea that may be true but a body of events we can show to be true with evidence. I'm really not sure what you're saying here. Einstein has a huge amount of work in his life. Which theory of his are you talking about? And let's just be clear here, a theory does not need to be proven. What people mean when they say that is that we have observable facts that further support an already developed theory.


Yeah, it does affect it because as you get farther away from earth, or any object with mass, the effect of gravity gets smaller. So if you set up the vacuum test on earth, it would accelerate faster because it is closer and the gravity is stronger. If you did it in deep space far away from any massive object the gravity is weaker. The objects would still feel the forces of gravity no matter how far they are but they would be less affected by it.

You need to get past your hang up on the solar system "falling". The sun's massive gravity is keeping everything in the solar system together and together we are all traveling around the center of our galaxy. We are orbiting the sun, which is orbiting the center of the galaxy. We are all also affected by the gravity of all the other objects in the universe, but their affects are so small due to distance that only the largest ones are really having a big enough impact to see. But "falling" is a bad understanding of what is happening and it seems to be confusing you as you understand falling as going directly toward an object. Just ignore the "falling" part. It was meant to be a way to understand what was happening and it is just causing confusion.


I'm not sure where this "mass cancels" thing you are talking about came from. Perhaps someone else's post? If you can point me to where something says that I'll try to explain it.

The earth's atmosphere is not gravity. In that video experiment, the air of the atmosphere is what causes objects to fall slower. Less massive objects with large surface areas like paper and feathers fall slower in air due to wind resistance. They have to move the air out of the way to fall. When you remove the air, they do not have to fight to move it out of the way anymore and can fall faster. Removing the air does not remove the gravity of the earth... It is NOT an illusion. The experiment was not supposed to remove earth. If you made earth, the sun and everything in the universe vanish, then the feather would not experience any gravity at all and thus would not move. If you just removed earth then the sun would then be the most gravity the feather would experience and then it would start moving toward the sun, although it would accelerate MUCH slower because the sun is so far away the gravity is weaker than the earth's (at the same point. The gravity of the sun in total is much larger than the earth but the earth is closer in the experiment so the feather is feeling the effect of the earth's gravity much more strongly than the sun's.)

So no, it is not too weak to hold the solar system in orbit and holding things in orbit IS what it means for things to revolve around the sun.

I really fail to see what this below mess is about but I'll answer the questions so you can stop showing them:

NO. Electromagnetics is a separate thing from gravity. They both exist but they are not a part of each other


NO. Electromagnetics cannot bend light.

YES. Gravity affects light and thus it can bend it.


NO, NO and HELL NO. Rotation and spin have absolutely nothing to due with the orbits of the planets and there is no "Flow" of space like flow of water in a sink.


YES. Gravity affects all objects with mass so they feel attraction this mutual attraction is what keeps us together

Stars "combine" atoms together to form larger atoms. Smaller atoms formed without stars and no that is NOT the reason why they are attracted to planets and I honestly don't know where you get this idea that this is an either or question

NO. Magnets are too weak to lock stars planets or moons together or even in orbit Gravity does this

I can't believe this thread is still going. Everyone who has participated with more than 5 posts each is hereby certified and qualified to assist Elon Musk with his Mars colonization project.

They recite. Recite. Recite. Recite. Repeatedly over and over nonstop until the only Reality they know is what they are told. Brainwashed. Into a dilusional state of mind. Uncapable of distinguishing Fact from Fiction nor able to think clearly for themselves beyond what was written. Science itself is more a Belief than anything. Just like all Religions are. Filled w/ relentless contradictions uncontested nor challenged.

I went 6/6 - Anyone suggesting otherwise is absolutely *** dilusional. Twisting, distorting, or ignoring what I linked/quoted/said is a waste of my time