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By Bloodrose 2016-09-26 13:49:24
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They also return the money they borrowed from you, with additional interest.

It's called compensation for borrowing your money.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2016-09-26 13:52:14
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And if heaven forbid a disaster happens and all the customers including yourself were to go to the bank to withdraw all there money the bank would not be able too because it was stealing your money you entrusted to them to hold in its entirety and they breached the Trust by using it for there own.

And on this note, do you even know what the FDIC is?
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-09-26 13:52:20
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Did you know your bank is loaning out over half of your bank account to new customers for loans and charging interest on your money without your permission?

Actually, 97% of it. And they don't need my permission to do so.

And how is that bad again? It is still my money to be withdrawn at any point. It doesn't matter if the exact $100 bill I put into that account doesn't stay there, nor should I expect that exact $100 bill to be returned to me.

You do know that's how banks work. And it is neither illegal, immoral, or unethical to do that.

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And if heaven forbid a disaster happens and all the customers including yourself were to go to the bank to withdraw all there money the bank would not be able too because it was stealing your money you entrusted to them to hold in its entirety and they breached the Trust by using it for there own.
FDIC says hi

You do know that this happened back in 1929, which lead to the FDIC being created for just such an emergency, right?

Oh wait, you are still stuck in 1776. Sorry.
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By Siren.Lordgrim 2016-09-26 13:56:18
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Bahamut.Ravael said: »
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Did you know your bank is loaning out over half of your bank account to new customers for loans and charging interest on your money without your permission?

That's not some kind of conspiracy. Everyone who even has the faintest idea of how a bank works already realizes that. This may surprise you, but banks are businesses. They do this to make money.

That's still Dishonest banking under the current central banking system we use today and it is a Conspiracy your wrong about that. Or are you denying Banks have never been charged in federal courts with Conspiracy charges ? Because they have been.

When I take office there will be a Honest Banking system were you will rest assure know what money you entrusted to the bank will be there and will not be used for anything other then holding it for you.
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By Bloodrose 2016-09-26 14:01:19
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Wasn't he JUST trying to abolish central banking, and now wants to start his own form of it?

How is that "honest banking" when he tells others that banks are bad, that the Federal Reserve is bad?

Did he not take classes that included how banks and interest work during the math portion of his lessons?

And how is it dishonest, when there are forms and regulations for this that protect your money and interest, and accounts? The only dishonesty in banking, are those individuals that embezzle funds, or individuals that represent the banks by working in them. But those are individuals, not the banks.

Have you any proof of banks being charged with conspiracies?

Oh, you don't, and you're not going to provide any.
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By Bloodrose 2016-09-26 14:05:51
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I should also point out that banks also need to pay their employees... maintain their buildings, and pay for the supplies and instruments of their job to exist.

Which is where fees and borrowing your money comes in. And why they repay what they borrow from you with interest.
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By Siren.Lordgrim 2016-09-26 14:05:58
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Bahamut.Ravael said: »
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And if heaven forbid a disaster happens and all the customers including yourself were to go to the bank to withdraw all there money the bank would not be able too because it was stealing your money you entrusted to them to hold in its entirety and they breached the Trust by using it for there own.

And on this note, do you even know what the FDIC is?

Yeah its going away when I abolish the Federal Reserve. Remember I'm holding banks accountable the same as Corporations. There will be no more bail outs at the American taxpayers expense. I am for the idea of free market principles.
 
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-09-26 14:08:34
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Siren.Lordgrim said: »
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Did you know your bank is loaning out over half of your bank account to new customers for loans and charging interest on your money without your permission?

That's not some kind of conspiracy. Everyone who even has the faintest idea of how a bank works already realizes that. This may surprise you, but banks are businesses. They do this to make money.

That's still Dishonest banking under the current central banking system we use today and it is a Conspiracy your wrong about that. Or are you denying Banks have never been charged in federal courts with Conspiracy charges ? Because they have been.

When I take office there will be a Honest Banking system were you will rest assure know what money you entrusted to the bank will be there and will not be used for anything other then holding it for you.
It isn't dishonest at all. It's how it is run.

Let me ask the obvious question then: What is an "Honest" banking system, and how is it any different? Remember, if you mention "state-run" in any way, shape, or form, you are advocating communism and therefor not wanting to preserve the American way.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2016-09-26 14:09:16
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Siren.Lordgrim said: »
When I take office there will be a Honest Banking system were you will rest assure know what money you entrusted to the bank will be there and will not be used for anything other then holding it for you.

What world do you live in? Do you have any idea what "overhead costs" are? How are banks supposed to remain in business when you remove their best revenue source? What you're describing is basically a new central banking system that would have to be heavily subsidized by the American taxpayer. Screw that noise.
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By Bloodrose 2016-09-26 14:10:01
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The FDIC:
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The Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC) is a United States government corporation providing deposit insurance to depositors in US banks. The FDIC was created by the 1933 Banking Act after the Great Depression to restore trust in the American banking system; more than one-third of banks failed in the years before the FDIC's creation, and bank runs were common. The insurance limit was initially US$2,500 per ownership category. Since the passage of the Dodd–Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act in 2011, the FDIC insures deposits in member banks up to US$250,000 per ownership category.

The FDIC and its reserves are not funded by public funds; member banks' insurance dues are the FDIC's primary source of funding. The FDIC also has a US$100 billion line of credit with the United States Department of the Treasury. Only banks are insured by the FDIC; credit unions are insured up to the same insurance limit by the National Credit Union Administration, which is also a government agency.

As of August 27, 2014, the FDIC provided deposit insurance at 6,638 institutions. The FDIC also examines and supervises certain financial institutions for safety and soundness, performs certain consumer-protection functions, and manages receiverships of failed banks.

So you plan to abolish the insurance that comes with putting your money in the banks, because banks bad?
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-09-26 14:10:13
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Confirmed, Lordgrim is a troll. He really doesn't believe anything he says.

Way to go, actually fooling everyone here for years. Good job!
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-09-26 14:12:00
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Bahamut.Ravael said: »
Siren.Lordgrim said: »
When I take office there will be a Honest Banking system were you will rest assure know what money you entrusted to the bank will be there and will not be used for anything other then holding it for you.

What world do you live in? Do you have any idea what "overhead costs" are? How are banks supposed to remain in business when you remove their best revenue source? What you're describing is basically a new central banking system that would have to be heavily subsidized by the American taxpayer. Screw that noise.
You forget that he wants to abolish the federal income tax, the main source of income for the federal government.

Because money just magically appear on trees and/or at the end of rainbows. And his answer to supporting the infrastructure is to create more rainbows!

Rainbows~~~~
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By Siren.Lordgrim 2016-09-26 14:14:04
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I should also point out that banks also need to pay their employees... maintain their buildings, and pay for the supplies and instruments of their job to exist.

Which is where fees and borrowing your money comes in. And why they repay what they borrow from you with interest.

There is such a thing as Interest free banking and it does work as I will be ordering the Treasury issuing interest free currency backed by sound reserves. There will be a transiting period as we end the federal reserve and implement the new sound Honest Banking system to each State.
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By Bloodrose 2016-09-26 14:20:19
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So, you're also going to eliminate the interest that banks GIVE out to their depositors... which takes away money from the people.

Try convincing people of that.

But I assume you are *trying* to say you want to eliminate the interest accrued when consumers *borrow* money from the banks... because borrowing money should be free? How is that honest banking?

Secondly, the US uses a two tier banking system - primarily fractionalized reserve banking. And it's really up to the consumers which banks they want to use, unless you plan on eliminating that freedom of choice as well.

No more TD Ameritrust, no more Chase Manhattan, no more Bank of America, etc.

No more banking options under LG's new regime, guys. It's Bank of Honesty, or get the *** out of my country!
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-09-26 14:22:23
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Siren.Lordgrim said: »
There is such a thing as Interest free banking
No there isn't. "Interest-free" banking means that the banks don't give you interest for the money you deposit in lieu of reduced or eliminated monthly fees. They still charge you overdraft fees if you take too much money out, and they still charge interest on loans to businesses and people, and all the other interest and fees associated with running a bank.

All you are thinking about is a type of checking account some banks use to entice people into depositing money in that bank, so they would have money to loan people and charge them interest.

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as I will be ordering the Treasury issuing interest free currency backed by sound reserves.
So, you will do nothing then. Because the money you "may" have in your pocket now? It's interest free. Also backed by sound reserves.

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There will be a transiting period as we end the federal reserve and implement the new sound Honest Banking system to each State.
Describe it.
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By Siren.Lordgrim 2016-09-26 14:23:17
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »

Because money just magically appear on trees and/or at the end of rainbows. And his answer to supporting the infrastructure is to create more rainbows!

Rainbows~~~~

You can call it magic all you want but really it's created by pressing numbers on a keyboard to print paper backed by nothing that then gets interest tacked on it making it a debt based currency which realistically when fully paid off brings your total money supply to 0. Because it was literally created both digitally and also printed on paper backed by completely NOTHING.

It's counterfeiting, if you or I did the same thing the federal reserve was doing we would be in jail for a long time because it's fruad.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-09-26 14:23:24
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Bloodrose said: »
No more banking options under LG's new regime, guys. It's Bank of Honesty, or get the *** out of my country!
It's the Bank of Rainbows.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-09-26 14:26:24
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You can call it magic all you want but really it's created by pressing numbers on a keyboard to print paper backed by nothing that then gets interest tacked on it making it a debt based currency which realistically when fully paid off brings your total money supply to 0. Because it was literally created both digitally and also printed on paper backed by completely NOTHING.
M1 Money Supply:

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What is 'M1'
M1 is a metric for the money supply of a country and includes physical money — both paper and coin — as well as checking accounts, demand deposits and negotiable order of withdrawal (NOW) accounts. The most liquid portions of the money supply are measured by M1 because it contains currency and assets that can be converted to cash quickly. "Near money" and "near, near money," which fall under M2 and M3, cannot be converted to currency as quickly.

BREAKING DOWN 'M1'
Using M1 as the definition of a country’s money supply references money as a medium of exchange, with demand deposits and checking accounts the most commonly used exchange mediums following the development of debit cards and ATMs. Of all of the components of the money supply, M1 is defined the most narrowly. It doesn’t include financial assets like savings accounts. It is the money supply metric most frequently utilized by economists to reference how much money is in circulation in a country.
Money Supply and M1 in the United States
Up until March 2006, the Federal Reserve published reports on three money aggregates: M1, M2 and M3. Since 2006, the Fed no longer publishes M3 data. M1 covers types of money commonly used for payment, which includes the most basic payment form, currency, which is also referred to as M0. Because M1 is so narrowly defined, very few components are classified as M1. The broader classification, M2, includes savings account deposits and various time deposits such as money market account deposits.

Specific Money Types Under M1
The largest component portion of a nation’s money supply under M1 is composed of Federal Reserve notes — otherwise known as bills or paper money _— and coins that are in circulation outside of the Federal Reserve Banks and the vaults of depository institutions. Traveler’s checks (of non-bank issuers), demand deposits and other checkable deposits (OCDs), including NOW accounts at depository institutions and credit union share draft accounts, are other major components of M1.

Money Supply and the U.S. Economy
For periods of time, measurement of the money supply indicated a close relationship between money supply and a number of economic variables such as the gross domestic product (GDP), inflation and price levels. Economists such as Milton Friedman argued in support of the theory that the money supply is intertwined with all of these variables. However, in the past several decades, the relationship between measurements of the money supply and other primary economic variables has been uncertain at best. Thus, the significance of the money supply acting as a guide for the conduct of fiscal policy in the United States has substantially lessened.

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By Siren.Lordgrim 2016-09-26 14:37:50
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Bloodrose said: »

No more banking options under LG's new regime, guys. It's Bank of Honesty, or get the *** out of my country!

It's not a regime it's called a Constitutional Republic.

Also there will be banking options bloodrose and that's banks who operate the Honest Banking system that will be implemented nation wide. I doubt banks like Goldman Sachs or Wells Fargo or other mega banks will survive because the American people will no longer be bailing out these failed institutions. Don't read me wrong there will still be banking options lol we will still be able to do everything that we are doing today but we will be doing it Responsibly and most importantly Honestly.
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By Bloodrose 2016-09-26 14:38:48
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There's also a reason why it's fraudulent for private citizens to issue their own privately made bills mimicking those made by the government.

It's also the US's Fiat Currency. Something you will need to familiarize yourself with when you bankrupt the nation by eliminating the banks, and all it's holdings, insurances, and so forth.

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Fiat money is a currency established as money by government regulation or law. The term derives from the Latin fiat ("let it become", "it will become") used in the sense of an order or decree. It differs from commodity money and representative money. Commodity money is created from a good, often a precious metal such as gold or silver, which has uses other than as a medium of exchange (such a good is called a commodity), while representative money simply represents a claim on such a good.

The first use of fiat money was recorded in China around 1000 AD. Since then, it has been used by various countries, concurrently with commodity currencies.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-09-26 14:40:18
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Bloodrose said: »

No more banking options under LG's new regime, guys. It's Bank of Honesty, or get the *** out of my country!

It's not a regime it's called a Constitutional Republic.

Also there will be banking options bloodrose and that's banks who operate the Honest Banking system that will be implemented nation wide. I doubt banks like Goldman Sachs or Wells Fargo or other mega banks will survive because the American people will no longer be bailing out these failed institutions. Don't read me wrong there will still be banking options lol we will still be able to do everything that we are doing today but we will be doing it Responsibly and most importantly Honestly.
How? Under your regime you get rid of the bank's ability to stay in business.

Or are you going full tilt communist and have it state-run?
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2016-09-26 14:40:48
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you guys are all getting bieber cooties! just block and move on!
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Shiva.Nikolce said: »
just block and move on!
My entertainment!

Without him, all I would be arguing with is you!
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2016-09-26 14:51:51
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How? Under your regime you get rid of the bank's ability to stay in business.

Or are you going full tilt communist and have it state-run?

Hold on, I'm getting some ideas here that could make it work.

"Lordgrim's Bank & Breakfast"
"Six Banks Theme Park"
"Bed, Bank, and Beyond"
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By Siren.Lordgrim 2016-09-26 14:57:55
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
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Bloodrose said: »

No more banking options under LG's new regime, guys. It's Bank of Honesty, or get the *** out of my country!

It's not a regime it's called a Constitutional Republic.

Also there will be banking options bloodrose and that's banks who operate the Honest Banking system that will be implemented nation wide. I doubt banks like Goldman Sachs or Wells Fargo or other mega banks will survive because the American people will no longer be bailing out these failed institutions. Don't read me wrong there will still be banking options lol we will still be able to do everything that we are doing today but we will be doing it Responsibly and most importantly Honestly.
How? Under your regime you get rid of the bank's ability to stay in business.

Or are you going full tilt communist and have it state-run?

It's not communist letting failed banks or corporations die from wreckless practice that's what happens in free markets.

Your all forgetting something very important especially in the US Constitution . Government spesifically congress is suppost to control money not private businesses like the federal reserve. The reason we are in this mess financially today is because on Christmas day 1913 President Woodrow Wilson while most of the opposition to the 1912 banking bill voted it down were with there families used his authority as President to fill the vacant seats of congress with pro central banking advocates and passed this cancer that is killing our world.

It is private institutions like the Federal Reserve Central bank and all others like it that have accrued Possibly hundreds of Trillion of dollars in debt world wide combined through fraudulent dishonest private banking practice.
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Congress signed away it's money creation powers in 1913 which is extremely unconstitutional first off. Our government has no authority relinquishing The People's power over there own nations ability to create money to a private group.
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By Bloodrose 2016-09-26 15:05:31
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Ok, this conversation is done. He still thinks a government agency, aka the Federal Reserve, is a private business. Which is already controlled by several other government agencies, including Congress, as part of the system of checks and balances.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-09-26 15:10:32
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Siren.Lordgrim said: »
It's not communist letting failed banks or corporations die from wreckless practice that's what happens in free markets.
Except it wouldn't be from "wreckless" practices, it would be by your decree.

How would you like it if I foreclosed on your property (assuming you own some) just because I didn't like how you lived your life. Would you be happy and accept it?

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Your all forgetting something very important especially in the US Constitution . Government spesifically congress is suppost to control money not private businesses like the federal reserve.
Can you point where in the constitution it states that? Also, don't forget that Congress has the ability to create laws, which they did to institute the Federal Reserve. I mean, it's not like their ability was taken away from them by another party....

Siren.Lordgrim said: »
The reason we are in this mess financially today is because on Christmas day 1913 President Woodrow Wilson while most of the opposition to the 1912 banking bill voted it down were with there families used his authority as President to fill the vacant seats of congress with pro central banking advocates and passed this cancer that is killing our world.
And they had all these years to repeal it. And yet, they didn't. And they won't.

Besides: House votes: 289-60 for it, Senate votes: 43-25 for it pretty much shows that it was passed legally.

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It is private institutions like the Federal Reserve Central bank and all others like it that have accrued Possibly hundreds of Trillion of dollars in debt world wide combined through fraudulent dishonest private banking practice.
The only "fraudulent dishonest" one is you. Fraudulent for making it sound like you had a 3rd grade education. Dishonest for not taking the time to educate yourself on the very topics you are so against.

Does that make you against yourself now?
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Bloodrose said: »
Ok, this conversation is done. He still thinks a government agency, aka the Federal Reserve, is a private business. Which is already controlled by several other government agencies, including Congress, as part of the system of checks and balances.
I didn't catch that. Good catch!
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