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By Sylph.Shipp 2016-08-26 12:01:28
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eliroo said: »
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Like I said, you don't have to believe that, but the two opinions cannot coexist and both be respected.

I don't know why I'm taking this bait.

Let me clarify for you a bit what I mean. I think in another post I was a bit more clear.

First, I am only talking in regardless to my son or my daughter. I'm not going to arguing with you about whether or not you should be Gay or not. I don't care. That is your choice, or in your opinion your preference.

That is how I have my opinion but respect yours.

Second, I believe that for most cases it is life influences that make a person Gay or not. Very few people are born with genetic displacement for being Gay. A male being attracted to a female is natural. Whether you believe in a God or not Males and Females were made to interact with each other and reproduce. That is utterly undeniable. A myriad of events cane make one prefer females over males. So, you are right, it isn't a choice that we outwardly make but rather a subconscious choice that we make that will be near impossible to change.

If you read my response to LadyofHonor you will get a more clear explanation of what I believe.

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As for my son being gay, as long as we can agree that very, very few people are born gay. I would raise my kid with heavy influences on a straight lifestyle. If he is still young and decides he is gay (Young enough to not make clear decision), I would do my best to influence him away from that decision. If he is old enough to make his own decisions then there is nothing I can do. I would feel disappointed and sad but I'm not going to punish him. I would most likely just let it go. There isn't much else you can do.

What I posted earlier.

I think it is a dicey subject regardless. I am not trying to offend anyone or tell anyone else they can't be Gay.
It wasn't bait. I also know what you said in the other posts. I wasn't offended. However, I know in my own experience I made no decision. I'm going to go out on a limb and say you probably know you didn't make a decision.

Yes, males and females produce offspring. Sometimes males and females can also be infertile. If that happens naturally and isn't a decision someone made, why is it that difficult to reach the conclusion that gay people probably didn't make a decision when they constantly state that?

You can have your opinion. I'm not trying to take it away. I'm just saying your opinion is about as correct as someone claiming they have an opinion that the sky is purple. You can have it, but that doesn't mean people who know it's not correct have to go along with it.
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By Sylph.Shipp 2016-08-26 12:03:05
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Ugh. He's still going at it?
Not for nothing, I've never seen what he looks like, but I keep imagining LG would kinda resemble Robert Lewis Dear to some degree, ya know? Bugged-out eyes, disheveled and unwashed hair... He just seems to be the stereotypical "whacked out conspiracy nut that doesn't live near civilization" type.
You mean to tell me you don't believe in the lizard shapeshifters who are our overlords? Pure lunacy on your part sir!
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By Drama Torama 2016-08-26 12:04:07
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You mean to tell me you don't believe in the lizard shapeshifters who are our overlords? Pure lunacy on your part sir!

Stop saying it out loud

That's how they find you
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By eliroo 2016-08-26 12:04:45
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Sylph.Shipp said: »
You can have your opinion. I'm not trying to take it away. I'm just saying your opinion is about as correct as someone claiming they have an opinion that the sky is purple. You can have it, but that doesn't mean people who know it's not correct have to go along with it.

Basically you just disagree with my opinion. But Ok.
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By Ramyrez 2016-08-26 12:04:46
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Candlejack said: »
Ugh. He's still going at it?
Not for nothing, I've never seen what he looks like, but I keep imagining LG would kinda resemble Robert Lewis Dear to some degree, ya know? Bugged-out eyes, disheveled and unwashed hair... He just seems to be the stereotypical "whacked out conspiracy nut that doesn't live near civilization" type.

It really probably doesn't help that you think like this.

Most people with these batshit crazy ideas unleash them where it's safe on the internet, but look like anyone else you pass at the grocery store.

I mean, not Walmart. You'll see some *** up people there.

But at Kroger or Wegman's or something.
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By fonewear 2016-08-26 12:07:37
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There is no law against being crazy...yet !
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By Ramyrez 2016-08-26 12:12:20
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eliroo said: »
Sylph.Shipp said: »
You can have your opinion. I'm not trying to take it away. I'm just saying your opinion is about as correct as someone claiming they have an opinion that the sky is purple. You can have it, but that doesn't mean people who know it's not correct have to go along with it.

Basically you just disagree with my opinion. But Ok.

No, he's saying what you're saying has been scientifically debunked.

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If he is still young and decides he is gay (Young enough to not make clear decision), I would do my best to influence him away from that decision.

Basically trying to apply conversion therapy to a child, which has been proven reckless and damaging, and little to no empirical evidence exists supporting the effectiveness of conversion therapy in anyone.
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By Siren.Lordgrim 2016-08-26 12:18:56
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Wait a minute. I know people have tossed out their desire to seek political office on here before and it's always the ones with the most laughably authoritarian or batshit ideas, but Lord-***'-grim is on the board now? :|

If we vote LG we won't have to worry about fluoride in our water anymore. We can all have cavities equally.

Science has proven people who don't drink poisoned water with flouride don't have increased risk of cavities.

There a clear reason why over 100 nations have outlawed flouride.
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By Ramyrez 2016-08-26 12:23:22
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Wait a minute. I know people have tossed out their desire to seek political office on here before and it's always the ones with the most laughably authoritarian or batshit ideas, but Lord-***'-grim is on the board now? :|

If we vote LG we won't have to worry about fluoride in our water anymore. We can all have cavities equally.

Science has proven people who don't drink poisoned water with flouride don't have increased risk of cavities.

There a clear reason why over 100 nations have outlawed flouride.
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By Sylph.Shipp 2016-08-26 12:30:41
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Whoa whoa I wasn't implying anything about conversion therapy.
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By Ramyrez 2016-08-26 12:33:01
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Sylph.Shipp said: »
Whoa whoa I wasn't implying anything about conversion therapy.

You weren't, I'm suggesting, however, that Eliroo indicating he would do what he could to "change his son's orientation in the formative years" is basically a description of conversion therapy.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2016-08-26 12:36:08
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You can't change reality by stating that it's your opinion that things are that way. In the real world that's just called being wrong on something.

Being gay is not a choice. Living according to said tendency is(and also the most logical, pending dangerous environment).
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By Ramyrez 2016-08-26 12:42:50
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I'm still not sure who is worse. Us for going so far off topic or the people posting ridiculous ***that just happens to be on topic.
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This thread isn't locked yet ?
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Or it becomes all too clear how worthless Donald Trump is as any sort of leader.
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Hillary Clinton Finally Admits the Truth

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Hillary Clinton Finally Admits the Truth

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she still got a destiny in jail and perhaps a hangman's noose if the american people dont want to pay for her upkeep.
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By Siren.Lordgrim 2016-08-26 13:26:44
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LG, stop circumventing your topicbans, jackass.

only place i am topic banned is random thoughts thread, for shareing a T shirt i bought that said "end the fed". And sharing random thoughts about politics. yes you can randomly think about politics, everyone does everyday about the smallest issues. I'm looking forward to the next Julian Assange wikileaks these next few months will be revealing about Hillary Clinton. Hear trump has taken a lead in "polls" in florida.
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By eliroo 2016-08-26 13:28:00
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Ramyrez said: »
Basically trying to apply conversion therapy to a child


...What? So if my seven year old child comes and says he is gay because his friend is and I tell him that marriage is between a Man and women then I am essentially shoving an ice pick in his head? Holy crap dude. you just took this to a whole new level. I will not go to torturous levels to influence my son. Jesus dude, don't take everything to the extreme.



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Being gay is not a choice. Living according to said tendency is(and also the most logical, pending dangerous environment).


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Second, I believe that for most cases it is life influences that make a person Gay or not. Very few people are born with genetic displacement for being Gay. A male being attracted to a female is natural. Whether you believe in a God or not Males and Females were made to interact with each other and reproduce. That is utterly undeniable. A myriad of events cane make one prefer females over males. So, you are right, it isn't a choice that we outwardly make but rather a subconscious choice that we make that will be near impossible to change.

I agree it is not an active choice but rather a subconscious one based off of influences in your life. For the record, when I was younger I had questioned my sexuality at one point but I eventually cleared it up and never questioned it again. In a sense, I did have a choice at that time to follow my questions and if I did I may have ended up gay. There are choices that will influence whether you are gay or not.

If you still are questioning my opinion, go back further:

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If he is old enough to make his own decisions then there is nothing I can do. I would feel disappointed and sad but I'm not going to punish him. I would most likely just let it go. There isn't much else you can do.




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You can't change reality by stating that it's your opinion that things are that way. In the real world that's just called being wrong on something.

You can't claim your opinion as truth and then dismiss all others are false.


Also wtf mate, do you just hop into conversations with minimal information and form an opinion and then judge someone based on that opinion? Second time you have done this.
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By Ramyrez 2016-08-26 13:28:55
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...What? So if my seven year old child comes and says he is gay because his friend is and I tell him that marriage is between a Man and women then I am essentially shoving an ice pick in his head? Holy crap dude. you just took this to a whole new level. I will not go to torturous levels to influence my son. Jesus dude, don't take everything to the extreme.

If your seven year old comes home and says he has a girlfriend what will you do?
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By eliroo 2016-08-26 13:30:30
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eliroo said: »
...What? So if my seven year old child comes and says he is gay because his friend is and I tell him that marriage is between a Man and women then I am essentially shoving an ice pick in his head? Holy crap dude. you just took this to a whole new level. I will not go to torturous levels to influence my son. Jesus dude, don't take everything to the extreme.

If your seven year old comes home and says he has a girlfriend what will you do?

Buy him a beer and sit down and watch football.

Seriously though? He is too young at that point. I would tell him that she is his friend not his girlfriend".

Really though, that is a tough question.
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By Ramyrez 2016-08-26 13:36:04
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Buy him a beer and sit down and watch football.

Seriously though? He is too young at that point. I would tell him that she is his friend not his girlfriend".

Really though, that is a tough question.

He is too young for any sort of sexual decision in the grand scheme, I agree.

Just saying, though. At what point is he old enough to make his own decisions? I always liked girls. Always.

I remember stumbling upon a stash of my uncle's old Playboys when I was like 7-8. I really had little understanding or idea of what I was looking at, but I still remember liking what I was seeing.

So maybe he's not too young? Or maybe I should have been gay but was unduly influenced by adult material at too young an age?!

But really. I'm not saying you'd lobotomize your child. But I am saying that questions of sex are questions of sex regardless of orientation, and if the child is old enough to realize he has attractions, he's old enough that you shouldn't be trying to tell him he's wrong about them, barring they're not harmful to others (pedophilia, etc.)
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