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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-08-26 08:37:40
And in the space between you incite violence against the government and civic establishments.
All from the safety of your desk whilst actually doing nothing. Yeah, that's my plan!
God damn thief! Stealing my ideas and half-baked implementing them, so I can't even do it!
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By fonewear 2016-08-26 08:38:36
You don't need to incite people to violence we are already violent by nature !
By Ramyrez 2016-08-26 08:39:20
And in the space between you incite violence against the government and civic establishments.
All from the safety of your desk whilst actually doing nothing. Yeah, that's my plan!
God damn thief! Stealing my ideas and half-baked implementing them, so I can't even do it!
Well, I mean, to be fair. We're all being armchair politicians and diplomats here. It's like playing fantasy football without the miniscule chance of winning $5,000.
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By fonewear 2016-08-26 08:40:19
If people take you seriously you are doing it wrong !
By fonewear 2016-08-26 08:40:56
If I wanted serious discussion I'd go to the Huff Post and see who is fat shaming some internet blogger.
By eliroo 2016-08-26 08:45:29
Asura.Ladyofhonor said: »Asura.Ladyofhonor said: »I am pro-life in the sense that I do think that abortion is a form of murder. I don't care if other people do it but when it comes to my marriage I would most likely be against it. Unless of course my Wife was raped or if she has a good chance to die during childbirth.
So I guess I am really pro-choice but abortion is something I would never do.
Same way I support gay marriage. I wouldn't do it nor would I want my son to be gay but I have no problem with anyone else being gay.
People can have personal preferences that vary from their perspective of others.
So...what if your wife wanted to have an abortion?
And what would you do if your son was gay?
Why does it matter to you what I do?
Just wondering if your wife is allowed a say in the decision. Same idea behind your son. Do you believe in them having their own choice of how to live their lives or are you in control of it all?
Well if you are curious, thats fine.
My wife already knows and respects my values and hers align with mine as well. If for whatever reason she told me she would want an abortion just because she wasn't ready then we would have a discussion about it. If we both disagreed it would probably be a tough call. Marriage is about two people and the kid would be both of ours so the decision falls between us both. Knowing my record with arguments and my Wife, I would probably lose.
As for my son being gay, as long as we can agree that very, very few people are born gay. I would raise my kid with heavy influences on a straight lifestyle. If he is still young and decides he is gay (Young enough to not make clear decision), I would do my best to influence him away from that decision. If he is old enough to make his own decisions then there is nothing I can do. I would feel disappointed and sad but I'm not going to punish him. I would most likely just let it go. There isn't much else you can do.
I also have never been in either situation but I've considered them happening.
My ideology is very liberal but I have a heavy religious background which most likely influences my view. I believe that abortion is prevention of life, which to me would be murdered and I think that men and women are molded to be with each other and anything else is unnatural.
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By eliroo 2016-08-26 08:47:21
So I guess I am really pro-choice but abortion is something I would never do.
Unless you're a lesbian (and I assume you are not based on the context), of course having an abortion is something you would never do.
It was never an option for you.
Pretty Marriage is a unison and if my wife was with child, she would be with my child. So yes, I do have a say in that decision. You have no respect for marriage if you say otherwise.
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By eliroo 2016-08-26 08:47:28
Pretty sure*
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-08-26 08:49:36
And in the space between you incite violence against the government and civic establishments.
All from the safety of your desk whilst actually doing nothing. Yeah, that's my plan!
God damn thief! Stealing my ideas and half-baked implementing them, so I can't even do it!
Well, I mean, to be fair. We're all being armchair politicians and diplomats here. It's like playing fantasy football without the miniscule chance of winning $5,000. Naw, I'm actively trying to take over the world by causing discord and destruction on the global level by having my puppets Clinton and Trump take over America, and then, the world!
Cruz tried, but was too Canadian for his own good. That's why he will have an "accident" involving Maple Syrup and moose...es? Whatever the plural for moose is.
And now that you all know, I will select a few of you for my replacement puppets, while the others will experience painful and gruesome deaths.
Kojo is going to have a visit from Kayleigh McEnenay 's cousin Bob and his shotgun.
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By Anna Ruthven 2016-08-26 08:50:43
I believe that abortion is prevention of life, which to me would be murdered Murder is the taking of life, if we're preventing the life in question, it can't be murdered. [/semantics]
(Since it isn't obvious in text, I'm simply being an *** on this one.)
By eliroo 2016-08-26 08:52:25
I believe that abortion is prevention of life, which to me would be murdered Murder is the taking of life, if we're preventing the life in question, it can't be murdered. [/semantics]
(Since it isn't obvious in text, I'm simply being an *** on this one.)
How dare you correct me.
But yea, Condoms and Birth control are clearly murder.
(Thank you for correcting me)
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By Siren.Lordgrim 2016-08-26 08:52:54
Then you believe in telling people what to do with their bodies, even if you're too much of a coward to stand up for what you believe.
No i don't believe in telling people what to do with their bodies when it's put up to a vote in each state for any issue. Sounds like you got a problem with people voting. How am i a coward while i am standing up for what i believe ? Ramyrez please focus your eyes on the words i am typing to you i am standing up for what i believe.
You're doing nothing. You're spouting your trashy half-formed ideas on an internet forum, substituting YouTube videos and other people's words for your own lack of substantial contribution to conversations. You claim to be a free thinker with eyes open, but all you do is parrot the gibberish of sociopolitical pornographers who, instead of contributing to society, profit from misleading those who are easily influenced by clever-sounding lies that sit more comfortably in their minds than difficult-to-grasp truths.
You talk of voting, yet just recently you were saying that democracy is a mistake. You denounce the two-party system, yet you prop up an oligarch who has spent his entire life abusing that system.
And in the space between you incite violence against the government and civic establishments.
All from the safety of your desk whilst actually doing nothing.
So, again I say. Hypocrite.
Democracy is a tragedy,
you do understand the people vote in a Constitutional Republic ?
yes i do denounce the two party dictatorship because there is no choice when they both ignore the american people and work together to take their constitutional rights away. Political party organizations will be abolished and in its place Independant Individual elections will take place to fill the seats of government in the House, Senate and Supreme court and federal court system.
Are you calling donald trump a oligarch ? So now you got a problem with entrepreneurs who make their own business and create jobs while trying to make a profit ? What are you Ramyrez a *** communist ?
believe what you want of me if it makes you sleep better. You do what you want in your life i will do what i want in mine.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-08-26 08:53:32
So I guess I am really pro-choice but abortion is something I would never do.
Unless you're a lesbian (and I assume you are not based on the context), of course having an abortion is something you would never do.
It was never an option for you.
Pretty sure marriage is a unison and if my wife was with child, she would be with my child. So yes, I do have a say in that decision. You have no respect for marriage if you say otherwise. You haven't realized it yet.
This isn't about the act of abortion, it's how people want to force their opinions onto others.
And this is neither a "pro-life" or "pro-choice" issue, because they are both equally guilty of it.
I say let the people decide, not the governments. If the people in the state vote to legalize abortions, then the people decided.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-08-26 08:54:34
Since it isn't obvious in text, I'm simply being an *** on this one. Just this one time?
I call Kojonanigans!
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By Anna Ruthven 2016-08-26 08:55:01
To each their own. I can respect your beliefs, you opinions, etc. but I think it's a bad idea to attempt to make others, of different belief and opinions live by yours. Not saying that's what you were doing, I only recall you stating your beliefs but...well, just making my point.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-08-26 08:56:18
I believe that abortion is prevention of life, which to me would be murdered Murder is the taking of life, if we're preventing the life in question, it can't be murdered. [/semantics]
(Since it isn't obvious in text, I'm simply being an *** on this one.)
How dare you correct me.
But yea, Condoms and Birth control are clearly murder.
(Thank you for correcting me) First I heard that condoms are murder.
Is sperm life now? If so, I'm a mass murderer every morning..............
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By Anna Ruthven 2016-08-26 08:56:29
Kojo is going to have a visit from Kayleigh McEnenay's Doesn't work. First rule of dating crazy; You don't come to me, I come to you. You don't let crazy know where you live, you sure as hell don't let them in your house.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2016-08-26 08:57:52
You have no respect for marriage if you say otherwise. And you'd have no respect for your wife if you were to force her either through pregnancy or abortion. Both cannot be your call.
But I expect people to discuss such important life expectations before marrying...
By eliroo 2016-08-26 08:58:51
To each their own. I can respect your beliefs, you opinions, etc. but I think it's a bad idea to attempt to make others, of different belief and opinions live by yours. Not saying that's what you were doing, I only recall you stating your beliefs but...well, just making my point.
Are you responding to me?
Quote: I am pro-life in the sense that I do think that abortion is a form of murder. I don't care if other people do it but when it comes to my marriage I would most likely be against it. Unless of course my Wife was raped or if she has a good chance to die during childbirth.
So I guess I am really pro-choice but abortion is something I would never do.
Same way I support gay marriage. I wouldn't do it nor would I want my son to be gay but I have no problem with anyone else being gay.
People can have personal preferences that vary from their perspective of others.
Is what I initially said.
LoH wanted a more fleshed out definition of what I believe in and Raymerez was trying to push his opinion on me.
I clearly stated that what other people do in regards to those topics is up to them and doesn't effect me.
My wife and son making those decisions would effect me and thus I care about the outcome.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-08-26 08:59:01
Kojo is going to have a visit from Kayleigh McEnenay's Doesn't work. First rule of dating crazy; You don't come to me, I come to you. You don't let crazy know where you live, you sure as hell don't let them in your house. You're dating McEnenay's cousin Bob with the shotgun now?
By eliroo 2016-08-26 08:59:38
You have no respect for marriage if you say otherwise. And you'd have no respect for your wife if you were to force her either through pregnancy or abortion. Both cannot be your call.
But I expect people to discuss such important life expectations before marrying...
Don't cherry pick statements:
My wife already knows and respects my values and hers align with mine as well. If for whatever reason she told me she would want an abortion just because she wasn't ready then we would have a discussion about it. If we both disagreed it would probably be a tough call. Marriage is about two people and the kid would be both of ours so the decision falls between us both. Knowing my record with arguments and my Wife, I would probably lose.
By fonewear 2016-08-26 09:01:45
Kojo is going to have a visit from Kayleigh McEnenay's Doesn't work. First rule of dating crazy; You don't come to me, I come to you. You don't let crazy know where you live, you sure as hell don't let them in your house.
First rule of dating is no cat ladies.
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By Ramyrez 2016-08-26 09:03:05
Are you calling donald trump a oligarch ? So now you got a problem with entrepreneurs who make their own business and create jobs while trying to make a profit ?
Not sure you understand what any of the words you just used mean.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2016-08-26 09:04:15
That's not the post I quoted.
By Ramyrez 2016-08-26 09:04:31
Pretty Marriage is a unison and if my wife was with child, she would be with my child. So yes, I do have a say in that decision. You have no respect for marriage if you say otherwise.
I think in a working marriage your wife would consider your opinion and she should -- ideally -- already be of a mind with you on the subject in the first place.
But her body is hers and hers alone.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-08-26 09:04:50
Kojo is going to have a visit from Kayleigh McEnenay's Doesn't work. First rule of dating crazy; You don't come to me, I come to you. You don't let crazy know where you live, you sure as hell don't let them in your house.
First rule of dating is no cat ladies. What about cat dudes?
/strokes his cat bro
By fonewear 2016-08-26 09:05:57
The real question is why did you get married to begin with that was the first mistake !
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By fonewear 2016-08-26 09:06:25
Kojo is going to have a visit from Kayleigh McEnenay's Doesn't work. First rule of dating crazy; You don't come to me, I come to you. You don't let crazy know where you live, you sure as hell don't let them in your house.
First rule of dating is no cat ladies. What about cat dudes?
/strokes his cat bro
As long as you treat the cat as a pet and not your offspring. That should be ok. Goes for women also.
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By Anna Ruthven 2016-08-26 09:06:46
Are you calling donald trump a oligarch ? So now you got a problem with entrepreneurs who make their own business and create jobs while trying to make a profit ? Donald Trump got his start from money he was given from his father if memory serves, so...
What are you Ramyrez a *** communist ? Easy now...
Are you responding to me? Kinda speaking in general, not directly to you.
By Ramyrez 2016-08-26 09:08:10
What are you Ramyrez a *** communist ?
Traditionally, and within context of this discussion, I referred to myself as a "moderate Republican with socialist tendencies."
That may not be entirely accurate anymore, though it's still probably as close as you'll get by applying traditional labels.
Generally I just call myself "Rammie."
Hillary Clinton Presidential Race 2016
What She Stands For
Education: Make public college debt-free. Fund universal pre-K. Against No Child Left Behind. Position unknown on Common Core.
Guns: Ban several types of assault weapons. Repeal protections for gun makers. Create a comprehensive background check system and close loopholes.
Healthcare: Give the government a role is setting insurance rates. Expand Obamacare but do not attempt to create a universal healthcare system now.
Immigration: Continue DACA and DAPA programs to waive deportation and expand them. Give undocumented residents a path to legal status.
Jobs and Wages: $275 billion stimulus plan. Tax credits for jobs. Raise federal minimum wage to $12 an hour.
Marijuana: “Wait and see” on overall legalization.
Social Issues: Abortion should be legal. So should same-sex marriage.
Taxes: A series of targeted tax credits for the middle class. Raise capital gains taxes.
Israel: Work toward a two-state solution. Do not necessarily freeze settlement building.
Iran: Support framework for nuclear deal. Continue diplomacy efforts and some sanctions.
Islamic State: No boots on the ground. Use regional troops.
Trade: Clinton announced last year that she does not support the Trans-Pacific Partnership as it currently stands. The deal — the largest trade agreement in history — cuts trade barriers, protects multinational corporations’ intellectual properties and sets labor and environmental standards. ( in other works makes the US even more of a jobless nation compared to other "free trade deals"
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