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By Garuda.Chanti 2016-01-27 13:29:11
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And the beat stupidity goes on.

Oregon refuge occupiers stay after protester killed, Ammon Bundy arrested
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With their leader arrested and a fellow protester killed in a highway encounter with law enforcement, an unknown number of demonstrators indicated Wednesday morning they'll continue their weeks-long armed occupation of a federal wildlife refuge in Oregon.

Even as they dug in following Tuesday's news that protester LaVoy Finicum was killed and protest leader Ammon Bundy was arrested during a traffic stop, the FBI tried to assert more control Wednesday, setting up checkpoints on roads heading to and from the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge.

But occupiers who remained Wednesday morning told a CNN crew near the occupied headquarters building that they intended to stay there. It wasn't immediately clear how many of them remained.

Journalist John Sepulvado, also reporting on refuge grounds outside the occupied building, said that occupiers told him they were prepared to die.

"I just spoke to the new leaders -- including Jason Patrick -- They say that 5-6 (people) had a meeting, and by consensus they decided to stay," Sepulvado wrote Wednesday morning on Twitter.

The decision to stay came on the 26th day of the occupation of the refuge building in eastern Oregon, which armed demonstrators took over January 2, in part to protest the sentencing of two ranchers and what they call government overreach when it comes to federal lands.

It also came the day after Finicum's death -- a killing that his fellow demonstrators called murder.

Finicum, Bundy and four others were pulled over Tuesday on U.S. Route 395, a law enforcement official told CNN. According to The Oregonian, they were headed to the city of John Day, where they planned to participate in a community meeting set up by local residents.

Everyone obeyed orders to surrender except Finicum and Ryan Bundy, Ammon Bundy's brother, the law enforcement official told CNN.

Shots were fired, but it's unclear who fired first, the source said. Ryan Bundy was wounded, and Finicum died, the source said.

What happened and what happens next?

Occupiers: 'A patriot has fallen'

Finicum was one of the most outspoken occupiers who took over the refuge building near Burns on January 2 to protest federal land policies.

Earlier this month, the father of 11 told CNN he doesn't want to die -- but would never go behind bars.

"I'm just not going to prison," Finicum said. "Look at the stars. There's no way I'm going to sit in a concrete cell where I can't see the stars and roll out my bedroll on the ground. That's just not going to happen. I want to be able to get up in the morning and throw my saddle on my horse and go check on my cows. It's OK. I've lived a good life. God's been gracious to me."

News of Finicum's death quickly reached the protesters still holed up at the refuge building.

"It appears that America was fired upon by our government," the occupiers said on the Bundy Ranch Facebook page. "One of liberty's finest patriots is fallen. He will not go silent into eternity."

The occupiers also claimed Finicum had his hands in the air when he was shot.

Nevada Assemblywoman Michele Fiore said Ammon Bundy called his wife, Lisa Bundy, from the back of a police car on Tuesday night and said Finicum was cooperating with police when he was shot, according to The Oregonian.

Fiore has been a vocal supporter of the Bundy family.

Fiore's account couldn't be independently corroborated. A representative from the Joint Information Command Center in Harney County said authorities had no comment on the claim that Finicum had his hands up. He said more information would be released Wednesday.

Bundy's father, controversial Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy, said Finicum died supporting his beliefs.

"He was a wonderful man," he told CNN affiliate KTNV. "He was a student of the Constitution. He was interested in freedom, and I think he gave his life where he felt it was best."

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By Ramyrez 2016-01-27 13:29:39
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Pardon my being so harsh, but how *** HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE must one be to throw away a good life over stupid ***? It just makes no sense at all.

They really perceive what's "happening to them" as a great injustice. That's just how it is. That's how they were raised and the society and culture they live in, apparently. I don't know.

But apparently they feel that strongly about it to potentially die for it. Seems dumb to me too, but...ugh. Who knows.
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By Anna Ruthven 2016-01-27 13:34:34
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So, the guy who died died because he was slapping his *** against the beehive that is an already irritated police force? Should I feel sorry for him or something?
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By Ramyrez 2016-01-27 13:42:01
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Anna Ruthven said: »
So, the guy who died died because he was slapping his *** against the beehive that is an already irritated police force? Should I feel sorry for him or something?

In some abstract, "one loss diminishes us all, we're all in this together" sense, sure. I wouldn't go losing sleep over it, as I don't know that he was any more lost by dying than he already was by simply being part of that whole situation, but...meh.

Someone will mourn him. And that didn't have to happen right this point in time over such a stupid thing.

I dunno. I'm feeling very philosophical today and the whole situation just makes me mad. And the more I feel like I understand their reasoning, the more upset I get about such gross misinterpretation and misinformation these people must have been raised having pounded into their heads.
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By Anna Ruthven 2016-01-27 13:43:59
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No Anna, you shouldn't. The lot of them are looking for suicide by cop, apparently.
This is how I kinda look at it.
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By Jetackuu 2016-01-27 13:50:04
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I dunno. I'm feeling very philosophical today and the whole situation just makes me mad. And the more I feel like I understand their reasoning, the more upset I get about such gross misinterpretation and misinformation these people must have been raised having pounded into their heads.

It's really not that far off. Everyone has things that they are willing to die for, some are less reasonable than others.

If humans were always 100% reasonable then America wouldn't exist.
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By Bismarck.Ihina 2016-01-27 13:52:58
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'A patriot has fallen'
"It appears that America was fired upon by our government"
"One of liberty's finest patriots is fallen. He will not go silent into eternity."

Drama queens to the end
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By Jetackuu 2016-01-27 13:53:58
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Bismarck.Ihina said: »
'A patriot has fallen'
"It appears that America was fired upon by our government"
"One of liberty's finest patriots is fallen. He will not go silent into eternity."

Drama queens to the end
If you're going to be delusional with your crusade, you may as well go at it 100%
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2016-01-27 14:13:31
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Bismarck.Ihina said: »
Drama queens to the end

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OP "ends" is a little premature, except for that one guy all the other jackholes are still whooping it up over there
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2016-01-27 14:32:18
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The rest of them will probably follow suit...

>.>
something like "Feds draw first blood" would be more appropriate. "Ends in Blood" means or leads the reader to believe that the conflict has come to an end.

but it hasn't ended the other *** are all still there occupying the buildings.

mission accomplish, isis is under control, etc...

don't count your chickens until they have hatched
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By Ramyrez 2016-01-27 14:37:52
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don't count your chickens until they have hatched
 
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By Ramyrez 2016-01-27 14:45:19
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FTFY, also, the chickens have hatched last night. They're beautifuldelicious.

FTFY.
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By Bismarck.Ihina 2016-01-27 14:46:34
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Can someone explain to me the appeal of wearing a cowboy costume every day instead of normal clothes? I'm just wondering.
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By Ramyrez 2016-01-27 14:50:01
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Can someone explain to me the appeal of wearing a cowboy costume every day instead of normal clothes? I'm just wondering.

The clothes make the man.

And they want to be the men they fancifully imagine their pioneering forefathers were.

It's really not that hard to understand. It's actually a little brave, if you ask me. It's sort of like wearing a billboard with all of your political and social beliefs for everyone to see and judge you for, even if you don't actually have those associated beliefs.

Because I promise you, no one wearing a cowboy hat on a daily basis has ever been accused of being against the death penalty, pro-choice, or a dirty atheist.

It's really not all that different from wearing a trilby.

I still wear mine on occasion, but I know that doing so leaves me open to certain assumptions by others that probably aren't true.

Thanks MRA douchebags.
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By Ragnarok.Hevans 2016-01-27 15:22:12
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The rest of them will probably follow suit...

>.>
something like "Feds draw first blood" would be more appropriate. "Ends in Blood" means or leads the reader to believe that the conflict has come to an end.

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#birdghazi
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Because I promise you, no one wearing a cowboy hat on a daily basis has ever been accused of being against the death penalty, pro-choice, or a dirty atheist.

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By Jassik 2016-01-27 16:15:00
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So, the guy who died died because he was slapping his *** against the beehive that is an already irritated police force? Should I feel sorry for him or something?

If he, in fact, presented a danger to the life and limb of the officers while they were lawfully performing their duties, then no. LEO's level of irritation is irrelevant in the context of whether he presented a danger, which is the only reason a LEO should use deadly force.
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Can someone explain to me the appeal of wearing a cowboy costume every day instead of normal clothes? I'm just wondering.
There's no better feeling then walking around a day in assless chaps.
 
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Apparently, Tarp Man tried attacking the federal officers attempting to take him into custody. Hence he forfeited his life.

That's the story I keep hearing as well, but it's the same story you hear every time a cop shoots someone, until the video goes public. Until a video surfaces, I reserve judgement.
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Apparently, Tarp Man tried attacking the federal officers attempting to take him into custody. Hence he forfeited his life.

That's the story I keep hearing as well, but it's the same story you hear every time a cop shoots someone, until the video goes public. Until a video surfaces, I reserve judgement.
Same here, however it'd be credible since he said on tape that he'd rather die than be sent to prison.

I wonder how many things you've said could be twisted post mortem as justification for your murder.
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By Anna Ruthven 2016-01-27 18:24:45
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Can someone explain to me the appeal of wearing a cowboy costume every day instead of normal clothes? I'm just wondering.
There's no better feeling then walking around a day in assless chaps.
Than*
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Anna Ruthven said: »
Ackeron said: »
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Can someone explain to me the appeal of wearing a cowboy costume every day instead of normal clothes? I'm just wondering.
There's no better feeling then walking around a day in assless chaps.
Than*
Sorry ; ; I'm still broken up about my explorers not being here yet.
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Apparently, Tarp Man tried attacking the federal officers attempting to take him into custody. Hence he forfeited his life.

That's the story I keep hearing as well, but it's the same story you hear every time a cop shoots someone, until the video goes public. Until a video surfaces, I reserve judgement.
Same here, however it'd be credible since he said on tape that he'd rather die than be sent to prison.

I wonder how many things you've said could be twisted post mortem as justification for your murder.
In Tarp Man's case, his exact words:
"I'd rather die fightin', than surrender an' go to jail".
My guess is, he must've either overtly lunged at one of the cops, or made a sudden move that clued the police in that he might be armed, and they acted appropriately to neutralize a perceived threat based on his history.

It's likely that's the case, however, someone is dead. As a citizen, it's your obligation to assume innocence for both parties in the absence of strong evidence.

People say all kinds of stuff when they're in front of an audience, especially when they have a wild west complex like this guy.
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