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Planned Parenthood video makers indicted
Bahamut.Milamber
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By Bahamut.Milamber 2016-01-27 12:55:29
It is never Okay to be ignorant. Sorry. It is especially never Okay to be willing ignorant and be unwilling to educate yourself because reasons. Life owes you nothing. You say this, right after this:
When your partner is on birth control and you're taking precautions as well is that still considered less than 100%? Because in statistics class I'm fairly certain 99.9% and 99% comes fairly close to 100%.
I'm merely pointing this out because your entire argument is based on like a .0001pecent chance of people screwing up and having an unplanned pregnancy.
By Ramyrez 2016-01-27 12:58:37
Especially when you figure that .0001 percent of the people in the world *** is still a lot of frickin' babies.
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Cerberus.Pleebo
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2016-01-27 13:09:11
So, have we determined that fetuses have no right to live because somebody said so?
Not that I really care anyway. My stake in the game only involves the group using indirect federal money for abortions.
And regardless on what anyone says, that is what is happening. The money the federal government gives to Planned Parenthood frees up other money to be used for abortions. The law states that the federal government cannot give money to directly fund abortions, but they allow this loophole to exist, because reasons. The state pays for the roads used to access PP buildings. PP didn't need to pay for their own roads, freeing up money for abortions. Therefore the state indirectly funds abortions.
By Ramyrez 2016-01-27 13:15:21
Asura.Floppyseconds said: »Spoiler alert. People don't all like the pill. I personally wouldn't want to put Carrot on it. A pill that prevents pregnancy, but has been shown in studies to change who a woman is attracted to?
Also can turn an otherwise stable woman into an emotional trainwreck.
Messing with hormones is shitty, shitty, super-shitty.
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By Bahamut.Milamber 2016-01-27 13:35:36
The law states that the federal government cannot give money to directly fund abortions, but they allow this loophole to exist, because reasons. You would be the one that claims there is no such thing as a tax loophole, yes?
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By Ramyrez 2016-01-27 13:43:35
The law states that the federal government cannot give money to directly fund abortions, but they allow this loophole to exist, because reasons. You would be the one that claims there is no such thing as a tax loophole, yes?
I wasn't in the mood for that particular headache today, so I didn't say it, but...yeah.
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Valefor.Sehachan
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2016-01-27 14:12:19
Not every woman can take the pill anyway.
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By Ramyrez 2016-01-27 14:26:41
I encourage all my friends or family to go on the pill, because every woman should have the right to decide when she wants to be pregnant since the pill also covers them from anything unforeseen or unplanned for/out of their control ftw.
As Seha said and we previously discussed, pill-based hormonal birth control is hardly ideal for everyone. Even if you discount the side effects some users experience (and you shouldn't, because they can be quite severe and shitty), there's the fact that you have to studiously take them on a certain schedule and missing doses or changing the routine can drastically lower their effectiveness.
But we can't pursue non-hormonal reversible permanent birth control in this country because...reasons?
Money, I have to assume. This is one where I am willing to blame big pharma.
And permanent birth control methods aren't even 100% effective and can have drastically negative side effects themselves. Including, but by no means limited to, mind-blowing pain.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2016-01-27 14:28:23
Also back when I used it my doctor clearly told me I couldn't just take it forever, but needed "a break" eventually so to speak.
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By Phoenix.Demonjustin 2016-01-27 14:29:45
That show had a quote in one episode that I had actually wanted to post, but I don't believe it was that episode. I'll see if I can hunt it down. Dr. Gregory House said: "Yes. The problem with exceptions to rules is the line-drawing. It might make sense for us to kill the *** that did this to you. I mean, where do we draw the line? Which *** do we get to kill and which *** get to keep on being ***." The nice thing about the abortion debate is that we can quibble over trimesters but ultimately, there's a nice clean line: birth. Morally there isn't a lot of difference. Practically, huge." YouTube Video Placeholder
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By Ramyrez 2016-01-27 14:30:32
Phoenix.Demonjustin said: »At-first broken YouTube link
Never mind.
Valefor.Sehachan
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2016-01-27 14:37:15
I thought this was common knowledge Sorry but I assume some guys here have no clue, considering some don't even know how the female body works at all.
By Ramyrez 2016-01-27 14:38:18
I thought this was common knowledge Sorry but I assume some guys here have no clue, considering some don't even know how the female body works at all.
I think this is a fair assumption.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2016-01-27 14:41:23
Brb I need to use my hidden ovulation to trick some man into impregnating me, steal his money, sue him for rape, abort the baby and then sell the remnants.
This is how it's like to live as a woman according to saevelism.
By Ramyrez 2016-01-27 14:46:27
I guess if someone had never gotten sick in their lives or been to a pharmacy yeah, to read a bottle of something they purchased, they might not know that drugs have side effects and no drug out there can be taken by 100% of people safely.
But that's a pretty small net of people in first world countries.
WOMEN CAN TAKE BIRTH CONTROL THERE'S NO NEED FOR ABORTIONS JOSI.
You can see how these assumptions can be problematic.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2016-01-27 15:00:18
Brb I need to use my hidden ovulation to trick some man into impregnating me, steal his money, sue him for rape, abort the baby and then sell the remnants. Damn! Vaginas are useful.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2016-01-27 15:17:10
Asura.Floppyseconds said: »Reconsidering, egh? Never! I'll just have to think up other ways to trap a man.
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By Siren.Mosin 2016-01-27 15:18:11
Never! I'll just have to think up other ways to trap a man.
food works pretty well.
By Ramyrez 2016-01-27 15:18:51
Asura.Floppyseconds said: »Reconsidering, egh? Never! I'll just have to think up other ways to trap a man.
What does an episode of ST:ToS have to do with anything?
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By Siren.Mosin 2016-01-27 15:21:52
booze too.
Harris grand jury indicts pair behind Planned Parenthood videos
Huston Chronicle
Quote: A Harris County grand jury investigating allegations that a Planned Parenthood clinic in Houston illegally sold the tissue of aborted fetuses has cleared the organization of wrongdoing and instead indicted two anti-abortion activists behind the undercover videos that sparked the probe.
Secret videographers David Daleiden and Sandra Merritt were both indicted on charges of tampering with a governmental record, a second-degree felony that carries a punishment of up to 20 years in prison. Daleiden received an additional misdemeanor indictment under the law prohibiting the purchase and sale of human organs.
Harris County District Attorney Devon Anderson announced the surprising indictments Monday after a two-month investigation.
"We were called upon to investigate allegations of criminal conduct by Planned Parenthood Gulf Coast," said Anderson, a Republican. "As I stated at the outset of this investigation, we must go where the evidence leads us. All the evidence uncovered in the course of this investigation was presented to the grand jury. I respect their decision on this difficult case."
The probe began after the Center for Medical Progress, an anti-abortion group run by Daleiden, released footage of the Houston clinic as part of a series of videos showing Planned Parenthood officials casually discussing the methods and costs of preserving fetal tissue for scientific research. That prompted allegations that the organization was profiting off of tissue -- an allegation that was never proven -- and sparked calls for an investigation from Gov. Greg Abbott, Attorney General Ken Paxton and others.
The Center for Medical Progress did not immediately return a message seeking comment Monday.
Abbott's office noted in a statement that Paxton and the Texas Health and Human Services Commission still are investigating the videos.
"Nothing about today's announcement in Harris County impacts the state's ongoing investigation," Abbott said. "The State of Texas will continue to protect life, and I will continue to support legislation prohibiting the sale or transfer of fetal tissue."
Paxton's office declined comment, as did the health commission.
A spokeswoman for the Houston branch of Planned Parenthood said the news made the organization feel "vindicated."
"It's great news because it demonstrates what we have said from the very beginning, which is that Planned Parenthood is following every rule and regulation, and that these people came into our buildings under the guise of health when their true intentions were to spread lies," said the spokeswoman, Rochelle Tafolla. "We're glad that these extremists have been indicted for breaking the law."
The national organization of Planned Parenthood had said in a letter to Congress that Daleiden was involved in secretly recording staff and patients at least 65 times over the last eight years.
The organization alleged that Daleiden and others used aliases, obtained fake government I.D.s, and formed a fake tissue procurement company in an effort to gain access to private areas and record private conversations to be deceptively edited to create a false impression.
The second indictment for Daleiden suggests that the grand jury found that he went too far in trying to get Planned Parenthood to admit to selling tissue. The crime, a class A misdemeanor is committed if a person intentionally offers to buy or offers to sell a human organ, including fetal tissue. If convicted, the maximum punishment is a year in jail.
Included links:
THE BACKGROUND: Undercover Planned Parenthood video targets Houston clinic
EXPLAINER: What you need to know about the Planned Parenthood controversy
THE BACKLASH: Abbott wants harsher penalties in wake of Planned Parenthood videos
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