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Obama signs No Child Left Behind rewrite into law
By Jassik 2015-12-15 19:06:02
So marijuana is the key to education. Who would have guessed it.
It's a voluntary usage tax on a substance that should never have been criminalized that can supplement lots of funds. Colorado had more than they knew what to do with in a matter of months, and since you (presumably) don't buy or use marijuana, and a lot of your tax money goes to imprisoning non-violent pot users, it's win-win.
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By Altimaomega 2015-12-15 19:10:56
Really though, I'm curious because I do not live in the city.
I pay taxes on 100 acre plot of land and a 15 acre plot of land. The 100 acre I pay over 3k specifically designated to my school district. The 15 acre is around 1k a year.
This money is suppose to go directly to the school. Regardless if I have children or not. Multiply this by all the property owners in the district and you come up with a fairly hefty sum. That is not even mentioning the money that is suppose to come from the state lottery. Then you get into tax breaks for everything the school purchases (which is totally fine btw)
The school where I send my children is self sufficient. The Athletic Boosters raise money for the sports programs. The PTA holds various fundraisers for other things the school may need.
How does this work in cities? Multiple schools exists within close proximity to one another so this system obviously does not work.
Is this why "schools" are having problem with money?
By Altimaomega 2015-12-15 19:13:05
Asura.Floppyseconds said: »So we all approve of this action by Obama, right? ;p
Last I checked the federal government wanted you to spend life in prison for possession of marijuana.
Or are you not following along with the conversation again?
By Altimaomega 2015-12-15 19:39:46
Hard telling, especially since every other time you have posted you couldn't have cared less about the OP.
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By Asura.Saevel 2015-12-15 20:20:12
Really though, I'm curious because I do not live in the city.
I pay taxes on 100 acre plot of land and a 15 acre plot of land. The 100 acre I pay over 3k specifically designated to my school district. The 15 acre is around 1k a year.
This money is suppose to go directly to the school. Regardless if I have children or not. Multiply this by all the property owners in the district and you come up with a fairly hefty sum. That is not even mentioning the money that is suppose to come from the state lottery. Then you get into tax breaks for everything the school purchases (which is totally fine btw)
The school where I send my children is self sufficient. The Athletic Boosters raise money for the sports programs. The PTA holds various fundraisers for other things the school may need.
How does this work in cities? Multiple schools exists within close proximity to one another so this system obviously does not work.
Is this why "schools" are having problem with money?
Depends on the state. Rural schools are actually the hardest up for cash due to low attendance. Also tax's do not go "directly" to anywhere but the tax collecting account, where it's then distributed based on the approved budget. Now is this a municipal tax or a state tax? If it's municipal then you can be somewhat assured it's going to your school. If it's state then it's going into the states coffers and then distributed out, now there might be a provision defining how much each region gets but you'd have to get into the laws details to know that.
It's expensive as hell to run our education system. You got the typical facilities costs along with maintenance and utilities. Then you have personal costs and those get stupid quick once you start counting all the administrative positions involved in running such large bureaucratic systems. Then the IT costs, and schools tend to over-spend on the wrong things while under-spending on the right ones. Materials aren't that expensive relative to everything else but they are frequently though of last and the first to be cut.
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By Asura.Saevel 2015-12-15 20:24:57
On a kind of side tangent, I've always been keen on taxing luxury / recreational items instead of taxing high income. It's a far fairer system that doesn't discourage achievement. Wealthy people like to show off their wealth and will brag about how much a particular luxury item costs. So lets play on their vanity and desire to feel superior then everyone else rather then attempt to punish them for being wealthy.
By Altimaomega 2015-12-15 21:20:20
Also tax's do not go "directly" to anywhere but the tax collecting account, where it's then distributed based on the approved budget. Now is this a municipal tax or a state tax?
School millage.
It's expensive as hell to run our education system. A lot of schools have horrible management.
Multiply this by all the property owners in the district and you come up with a fairly hefty sum.
On a kind of side tangent, I've always been keen on taxing luxury / recreational items instead of taxing high income. It's a far fairer system that doesn't discourage achievement. Wealthy people like to show off their wealth and will brag about how much a particular luxury item costs. So lets play on their vanity and desire to feel superior then everyone else rather then attempt to punish them for being wealthy.
I've heard this from quite a few people. It's a great idea but nobody seems to care beyond that.
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By Asura.Saevel 2015-12-15 21:31:04
Not what I asked. Which level of government creates and enforces this law? If it's municipal / county then they will be the ones collecting the tax which also means they are the ones distributing it. If the state created and enforces the law then they will be the ones collecting and distributing the tax proceeds. Governments are no different then business's, they have bank accounts and accountants who process disbursements. The municipality can not spend money it doesn't have in it's accounts, and money is only placed in those accounts by a transfer or a payment. So unless your writing a check out to your school every tax cycle, then someone else is collecting the tax and dispersing it accordingly to some system.
I've heard this from quite a few people. It's a great idea but nobody seems to care beyond that.
Because leftists don't want it as one of the corner stones of their political religion is the reduction in consumption that goes with less production and less quality of life. Fiscal conservatives today don't want it because they just see it as "another tax" and not as tax reform.
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By Bismarck.Magnuss 2015-12-15 21:59:18
FINALLY!!! *** YES!!
Now I can teach kids what *** matters instead of how to pass a test. Critical thinking, go!
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By Jassik 2015-12-15 22:03:14
FINALLY!!! *** YES!!
Now I can teach kids what *** matters instead of how to pass a test. Critical thinking, go!
I still don't get why there are so damn many standardized tests. I took a handful throughout my entire schooling and always scored in the high 90's. The frequency and level of stress of these recent tests just blows my mind.
By Altimaomega 2015-12-15 22:05:03
Not what I asked. Which level of government creates and enforces this law? If it's municipal / county then they will be the ones collecting the tax which also means they are the ones distributing it. If the state created and enforces the law then they will be the ones collecting and distributing the tax proceeds. Governments are no different then business's, they have bank accounts and accountants who process disbursements. The municipality can not spend money it doesn't have in it's accounts, and money is only placed in those accounts by a transfer or a payment. So unless your writing a check out to your school every tax cycle, then someone else is collecting the tax and dispersing it accordingly to some system.
I write the check to the county.
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By Anna Ruthven 2015-12-15 22:07:05
FINALLY!!! *** YES!!
Now I can teach kids what *** matters instead of how to pass a test. Critical thinking, go!
I still don't get why there are so damn many standardized tests. I took a handful throughout my entire schooling and always scored in the high 90's. The frequency and level of stress of these recent tests just blows my mind. I never stressed or studied...or did daily school work for that matter. I just listened to lectures and took tests. >.>
I mean...that's kinda bad that I could do that.
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By Bismarck.Magnuss 2015-12-15 22:08:53
FINALLY!!! *** YES!!
Now I can teach kids what *** matters instead of how to pass a test. Critical thinking, go!
I still don't get why there are so damn many standardized tests. I took a handful throughout my entire schooling and always scored in the high 90's. The frequency and level of stress of these recent tests just blows my mind. The main reason is because we have been comparing our results with the world's and we've been terrified of the findings. We've tried lumping education into an objective, measurable thing and the truth of the matter is, that can't always be the case. I've had to struggle to teach kids what literary devices are, and they can define these terms, but they have no idea what they mean. They can grab a quote from Shakespeare and make an essay about it, but they don't know what Shakespeare's point is. Standardized tests essentially rip their education away and says that what they've learned isn't good enough, causing more stress on the kids and definitely more stress on the teachers. Now I can show them WHY we're learning what we're learning, not just the what.
Also, now I can teach them how to play guitar and sing answers to Cards Against Humanity.
By Altimaomega 2015-12-15 22:43:22
Also, now I can teach them how to play guitar and sing answers to Cards Against Humanity.
Good luck getting this past your school board.
By Jassik 2015-12-15 22:57:21
Also, now I can teach them how to play guitar and sing answers to Cards Against Humanity.
Anything but that!
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By Altimaomega 2015-12-15 22:59:49
Guess I didn't realize common core affected college as well.
http://hypeline.org/professor-slams-trump/
The exam question read:
Donald Trump is:
a) a fool
b) already in hell
c) a clown
d) all of the answer choices for this question are correct
e) an evil man
f) the Anti-Christ
Quote: The course is a part of Creighton University’s Magis Core Curriculum program, which is necessary to fulfill graduation requirements. The program is explained in depth on the university’s website:
The Magis CCAS Core Curriculum involves 18 components and 52 credit hours; specifically, it involves all of the 13 components (35 credit hours) of the Magis Common Core Curriculum and 5 additional components (17 credit hours) that are specific to the Creighton College of Arts & Sciences. Each component has a justification that is rooted in the Catholic and Jesuit intellectual tradition.
Ironically, the course description cites diversity as one of the main objectives of the class, “The course’s pedagogy gives special attention to critical thinking and writing within a framework of cultural diversity as well as comparative and interdisciplinary analysis.”
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By Asura.Saevel 2015-12-16 00:40:28
Not what I asked. Which level of government creates and enforces this law? If it's municipal / county then they will be the ones collecting the tax which also means they are the ones distributing it. If the state created and enforces the law then they will be the ones collecting and distributing the tax proceeds. Governments are no different then business's, they have bank accounts and accountants who process disbursements. The municipality can not spend money it doesn't have in it's accounts, and money is only placed in those accounts by a transfer or a payment. So unless your writing a check out to your school every tax cycle, then someone else is collecting the tax and dispersing it accordingly to some system.
I write the check to the county.
Good then it's likely to be making it to the school without being interfered with.
By Altimaomega 2015-12-16 01:19:17
Right which brings me back to this.
How does this work in cities? Multiple schools exists within close proximity to one another so this system obviously does not work.
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By Bahamut.Kara 2015-12-16 02:09:48
Guess I didn't realize common core affected college as well.
http://hypeline.org/professor-slams-trump/
The exam question read:
Donald Trump is:
a) a fool
b) already in hell
c) a clown
d) all of the answer choices for this question are correct
e) an evil man
f) the Anti-Christ
Quote: The course is a part of Creighton University’s Magis Core Curriculum program, which is necessary to fulfill graduation requirements. The program is explained in depth on the university’s website:
The Magis CCAS Core Curriculum involves 18 components and 52 credit hours; specifically, it involves all of the 13 components (35 credit hours) of the Magis Common Core Curriculum and 5 additional components (17 credit hours) that are specific to the Creighton College of Arts & Sciences. Each component has a justification that is rooted in the Catholic and Jesuit intellectual tradition.
Ironically, the course description cites diversity as one of the main objectives of the class, “The course’s pedagogy gives special attention to critical thinking and writing within a framework of cultural diversity as well as comparative and interdisciplinary analysis.”
Creighton University
Quote: Creighton University is a private, coeducational, Jesuit, Roman Catholic university located in Omaha, Nebraska, United States. Founded by the Society of Jesus in 1878, the school is one of 28 member institutions of the Association of Jesuit Colleges and Universities. The university is accredited by the North Central Association of Colleges and Secondary Schools. Creighton is the largest private religious university in Nebraska.
By Altimaomega 2015-12-16 02:48:49
Your point? Being private makes it even more crazy, if that is possible.
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By Bahamut.Kara 2015-12-16 02:51:15
Your point? Being private makes it even more crazy, if that is possible. Private institutions choose how to educate their students. They are not forced to use one system over another.
This isn't common core, just their core Curriculum
By Jetackuu 2015-12-16 07:28:19
It's like trying to say that "Liberty University" is a real school, ha.
By Jetackuu 2015-12-16 07:30:02
FINALLY!!! *** YES!!
Now I can teach kids what *** matters instead of how to pass a test. Critical thinking, go! What's 5+3 Mag, what's 5+3?
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-12-16 07:31:30
. Also tax's do not go "directly" to anywhere but the tax collecting account, where it's then distributed based on the approved budget. Depends on the state and that state's laws actually.
Texas's gas tax goes straight to a specific account (Highway Fund). The proceeds from the Texas Lottery goes straight to a specific account (Education Fund, although not all of it, just a specific percentage).
There are few examples of specific taxes or revenues going towards a specific fund, and it depends on that state's law.
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By Bismarck.Magnuss 2015-12-16 08:05:54
FINALLY!!! *** YES!!
Now I can teach kids what *** matters instead of how to pass a test. Critical thinking, go! What's 5+3 Mag, what's 5+3? I dunno, but I do know that 5 = 7, so I guess the answer is 10?
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-12-16 08:42:05
Your point? Being private makes it even more crazy, if that is possible. Private institutions choose how to educate their students *. They are not forced to use one system over another.
This isn't common core, just their core Curriculum*As long as it fits within the state's education curriculum.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-12-16 08:46:55
On a kind of side tangent, I've always been keen on taxing luxury / recreational items instead of taxing high income. It's a far fairer system that doesn't discourage achievement. Wealthy people like to show off their wealth and will brag about how much a particular luxury item costs. So lets play on their vanity and desire to feel superior then everyone else rather then attempt to punish them for being wealthy. I partially agree, however I think VAT needs to be broader than just the high-end luxury items.
How can we determine what a luxury item is? Is it anything above 32 inch flat screen TVs, or 24 inch? Is it an SUV, or do we include Pickups too? Are video game systems a luxury item?
See my point? Luxury is a very broad term, and can be considered to be anything not needed to survive.
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By Bahamut.Kara 2015-12-16 08:58:21
Your point? Being private makes it even more crazy, if that is possible. Private institutions choose how to educate their students *. They are not forced to use one system over another.
This isn't common core, just their core Curriculum*As long as it fits within the state's education curriculum. Accredition is not through the state and I've never seen state curriculum requirements for private universities, especially for a religious college
Quote: Obama signs No Child Left Behind rewrite into law
WASHINGTON — President Obama reversed course on federal education policy Thursday, signing a bill to curtail the federal government's role in education from Kindergarten through high school and instead allow states to set their own standards.
Calling the bipartisan Every Student Succeeds Act "a Christmas miracle," Obama said the law would give states more flexibility in raising student achievement while maintaining a federal role for ensuring that all students have the opportunity to get a quality education.
The new law is a turnaround from 14 years of federally directed education policy that began with President George W. Bush's signing of the equally bipartisan No Child Left Behind Act, an effort to raise performance through an emphasis on standards, testing and accountability.
But No Child Left Behind soon became known for its excesses, which enforced a teach-to-the-test philosophy and produced sometimes punishing consequences for low-performing schools.
The new law expressly prohibits the Education Department from imposing the Common Core model, which wasn't required by No Child Left Behind but often encouraged through a series of federal waivers to the law's other requirements.
Obama said the goals of No Child Left Behind were the right ones, but that its "cookie cutter" approach to standards didn't always achieve results. And he didn't apologize for how Education Secretary Arne Duncan implemented it. "Sometimes, in the nicest possible way, he's gotten on people's nerves because he's pushed them and prodded them," Obama said. "Had he not been, I believe, as tenacious as he was, we wouldn’t have had such a good product here today."
The Every Student Succeeds Act does keep some federal mandates. It requires schools to test 95% of students every year from the third through eighth grades, and again in high school. It requires schools to report those test scores for minority groups to ensure they're closing the achievement gaps. And it requires states to step in if a school falls into the bottom 5%, graduated less than 67% of students, or if subgroups are persistently falling behind.
The bill received broad bipartisan support, with the final version passing the Senate 85-12 and the House 359-64.
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